Midnight 12.X Patches & World Soul Saga Speculation Thread

[Ersula]

Sure there is. But Blizzard has been revamping old dungeons consistently and will likely keep doing so. Why not Zul'Gurub?

We haven't revamped an old dungeon since MoP actually, but making the Wrath version Mythic compliant is probably coming within the saga.

[Nymrohd]

We haven't revamped an old dungeon since MoP actually, but making the Wrath version Mythic compliant is probably coming within the saga.

I'd count completely changing the trash packs as revamping. What MoP did was reuse dungeons to tell a new story imo.

[Sondrelk]

We haven't revamped an old dungeon since MoP actually, but making the Wrath version Mythic compliant is probably coming within the saga.

Didnt they remake Blackfathom Depths during WoD? I know the last boss was updated at least.

[Nymrohd]

Didnt they remake Blackfathom Depths during WoD? I know the last boss was updated at least.

And UBRS. And we got BRD a few months ago

[Ersula]

And UBRS. And we got BRD a few months ago

We're talking about retail.

[Sondrelk]

Yeah, I imagine actual ZA will be a questing sub-region (probably extended out to the east). But there will probably be a new troll dungeon, "Amani Crypts" or something.

Personal hopes would be an Amani raid. With the dedicated Troll dungeon being in the city in the Hinterlands. You could really make that one amazing with some updates to it.

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We're talking about retail.

So are we. Upper Blackrock Spire was a dungeon in WoD. And Blackrock Depths was a raid in the Anniversary event.

[Cheezits]

I don't think we're going to get a troll raid in 2025, good luck with "invade a troll city and kill them all lol" in this day and age.

[Nymrohd]

I don't think we're going to get a troll raid in 2025, good luck with "invade a troll city and kill them all lol" in this day and age.

The crypts with Kithix's corpse make sense as a troll raid. Maybe void corrupted trolls?

[Cheezits]

The crypts with Kithix's corpse make sense as a troll raid. Maybe void corrupted trolls?

I think it's Kthix's burial site makes sense but there's going to have to be some visual twist to keep it from being Uldir but purple, hopefully just a lack of Titanshit so that its the first real HD "troll temple" raid. Maybe Sunken Temple inspired.

[Sondrelk]

I think it's Kthix's burial site makes sense but there's going to have to be some visual twist to keep it from being Uldir but purple, hopefully just a lack of Titanshit so that its the first real HD "troll temple" raid. Maybe Sunken Temple inspired.

Don't see why it would be. Uldir was a titan facility. Kithix is just in a regular Troll burial mound.

[Makabreska]

I could maybe see ZG/ZA in M+, but only in Midnight, where it would actually make sense (provided trolls will be a major threat in S1/S2).

[Cheezits]

I could maybe see ZG/ZA in M+, but only in Midnight, where it would actually make sense (provided trolls will be a major threat in S1/S2).

I can't see them lasting past S1 especially when the Amani overall will probably be allies. Probably have to stop Kithix from being rezzed before heading to the Sunwell, and HOPEFULLY a trip to Stratholme/Deatholme/the two combined as well.

HD Troll temple and Stratholme would be so good for a mega expansion like they are building Midnight to be. And if you want to get conspiracist that could be why all of Stratholme was added to classic TW.

[Makabreska]

I can't see them lasting past S1 especially when the Amani overall will probably be allies. Probably have to stop Kithix from being rezzed before heading to the Sunwell, and HOPEFULLY a trip to Stratholme/Deatholme/the two combined as well.

HD Troll temple and Stratholme would be so good for a mega expansion like they are building Midnight to be.

Not really buying Amani being allies, considering we sacked their capital TWICE.

Also, what mega expansion? Let's not overhype ourselves and forget that Blizz barely release their expansions on time. Not sure what is mega about Midnight and why would they try to make a trilogy middle expansion into something like that.

[Nymrohd]

Not really buying Amani being allies, considering we sacked their capital TWICE.

Also, what mega expansion? Let's not overhype ourselves and forget that Blizz barely release their expansions on time. Not sure what is mega about Midnight and why would they try to make a trilogy middle expansion into something like that.

The Revantusk are still members of the Horde.

[Ersula]

Not really buying Amani being allies, considering we sacked their capital TWICE.

Also, what mega expansion? Let's not overhype ourselves and forget that Blizz barely release their expansions on time. Not sure what is mega about Midnight and why would try to make a trilogy middle expansion into something like that.

This is true. At best, Midnight's development is resembling Legion, but you have to take production commentary with a grain of salt. Overhyping & Underdelivery is standard, especially for the gaming industry. And I think people forget production are free to lie to the public about anything & everything besides the actual physical product. The only people who get something resembling the real story are the investors.

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The Revantusk are still members of the Horde.

That would suggest they are no longer part of the Amani empire then. Amani is an empire. Genetically, they are Forest trolls which the Darkspear already includes. Darkspear are a combination of other varieties of troll.

[Joshuaj]

Not really buying Amani being allies, considering we sacked their capital TWICE.

Also, what mega expansion? Let's not overhype ourselves and forget that Blizz barely release their expansions on time. Not sure what is mega about Midnight and why would they try to make a trilogy middle expansion into something like that.

While I agree that "mega expansion" is a big much, it being a "middle of the trilogy" expansion doesn't negate the idea that Blizzard would want to go all out on it. It IS the expansion where we're battling the Void's all out assault on Azeroth, after-all. And considering it's likely gonna end with Renilash (And potentially us going to the ruins of K'aresh), it's much bigger than people think.

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Heck, every expac from here on out is likely gonna be big in some way. Both grounded and cosmic.

[Nymrohd]

This is true. At best, Midnight's development is resembling Legion, but you have to take production commentary with a grain of salt. Overhyping & Underdelivery is standard, especially for the gaming industry. And I think people forget production are free to lie to the public about anything & everything besides the actual physical product. The only people who get something resembling the real story are the investors.

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That would suggest they are no longer part of the Amani empire then. Amani is an empire. Genetically, they are Forest trolls which the Darkspear already includes. Darkspear are a combination of other varieties of troll.

Jintha'alor seems to be the second largest Amani city and the Revantusk have control of it. The idea that the Revantusk take over the Amani empire with the support of the Horde (and the Zandalari) makes perfect sense to me. The ruling Amani tribe has been a disaster for quite some time now.

And Darkspear are just jungle trolls. I mean they've let you play as a sand/dark troll these days. Sand trolls are a jungle troll subrace though. But the tribe is meant to be jungle trolls imo.

[Cheezits]

Also, what mega expansion? Let's not overhype ourselves and forget that Blizz barely release their expansions on time. Not sure what is mega about Midnight and why would they try to make a trilogy middle expansion into something like that.

Mega is a strong word but there are a couple of reasons that I think Blizzard is focusing on Midnight more than the other two expansions in TWS:

1. It is the first old world revamp expansion since Cata and it is thematically (and area/racewise) very similar to Legion, two of WoW's "biggest expansions" that are seen in a variety of lights by the player base but are definitively "the big ones". It's the first expansion to be set in an old existing (in lore) Azeroth area since BFA so it's even more of a "return to Azeroth" than DF was. It's also the first expansion with full Metzen oversight in a long time (he already confirmed TWW was mostly complete when he came on) and I have a feeling he will be doing a lot of course correcting to get the kind of hype Legion and (early) BFA had.

2. They are marketing it extremely early, the earliest of any expansion while the current expansion is going on. They were already talking about Midnight features DAY ONE of TWW reveal, not only because TWW is box feature-light but a lot of the way Midnight was mentioned seemed as if it was meant to keep people interested if TWW didn't do it for them (a sentiment I've seen often online, TWW being the 'Midnight Waiting Room' though I think TWW surprised a lot of people). This is very likely the reason the "Saga" model was introduced in the first place: they realized they can't mystery box future expansions anymore if the current content underwhelms people (SL, DF to an extent especially with the story, TWW for those expecting a world revamp or huge expansion).

3. It has the potential to focus on three of the most played races at once (Belf, Nelf, Human if they do Lordaeron stuff/Undead if they add more humanoid options) and they are already marketing Helf as the first race to appear in any Midnight trailer (see: housing trailer). So think mass appeal.

Nothing confirming this of course but I would bet you one whole dollar that of the 3 expansions Midnight is going to have the most resources devoted to it. The dual faction neighborhoods even hint at the possibility of revamping areas in BOTH Kalimdor and EK, which had nothing pointing towards that before the reveal there would be a new area in Kalimdor.

[Darkarath]

Hmmm I think that people are overhyping Midnight a little too much. Don't get my wrong, it could be an amazing expansion, and it will bring housing, which is big. But at the end of the day it will have the same cadence and patches than DF and TWW. Which is great !! We are living the best moment of WoW in terms of quality and quantity of content.

TWW has been much better than DF both in terms of story and narrative, so I hope that in Midnight they keep improving.

But they might surprise us with a new class, new specs, class skins, new order halls... But Housing seems such a big and important system to implement, and Delves has such potential, that it seems unlikely that we will have more box features in Midnight.

I would prefer that they keep improving existing systems. They already stated that they are going to improve the new player experience (which is vital for the game IMO), the interface, hopefully new customization for races, we have to see what they will do with Hero Talents... I believe that they are in the right track, but anything on top of Housing will be welcome !

[Cheezits]

Hmmm I think that people are overhyping Midnight a little too much. Don't get my wrong, it could be an amazing expansion, and it will bring housing, which is big. But at the end of the day it will have the same cadence and patches than DF and TWW. Which is great !! We are living the best moment of WoW in terms of quality and quantity of content.

Which is the best cadence WoW has ever had IMO, bugs aside. I don't think that's a for or against it being big or not, it just won't be two+ years.