Midnight 12.X Patches & World Soul Saga Speculation Thread

[Khaza-R]

If Xal doesn't get the dark heart back by 11.2 then there's very little that could happen in Khaz Algar besides something related to the Black Blood, which still exists and is still perverting the underground and Elun'ahir roots. It's the only plot thread left unless they discard it for a quicker path to K'aresh.

I wouldn't mind K'aresh being 11.2 as it leaves 12.2 to be something more surprising.

My thoughts as well. The black blood seems like Xal's trumph card but its unlikely she would use it without the key to whatever her ultimate plan is.

The only way I can really see K'aresh and Khaz Algar both being the focus of 11.2 is if the rootlands are so drenched in black blood already that's entirely in the Unseeming. And somehow the Unseeming and K'aresh are connected through the Umbral Veil.

[Cheezits]

My thoughts as well. The black blood seems like Xal's trumph card but its unlikely she would use it without the key to whatever her ultimate plan is.

The only way I can really see K'aresh and Khaz Algar both being the focus of 11.2 is if the rootlands are so drenched in black blood already that's entirely in the Unseeming. And somehow the Unseeming and K'aresh are connected through the Umbral Veil.

Unless Azir gets one-shot offscreen in the span of a single questline, it really feels like Xal is going to end TWW without the Dark Heart (great twist IMO, can't remember the last time a villain fucked up so much). So perhaps her last-ditch effort is sucking up Black Blood herself to turn into something, perhaps the monster that was featured on the mural. Or she will just try and corrupt the soul with the roots.

We still don't know if that's her endgoal or not. But we now know how Xal can "lose but win" in TWW. She lost the Heart and she will probably "die" in someway in 11.2, but she will definitely persist as a spirit or a ghost whether or not she corrupts Alleria.

And as we see in Midnight the void will still attack... somehow. Maybe Azir and his boss are the invasion source and not Xal after all.

[Joshuaj]

A couple things on this:

-I like the idea of there being a Kezan port and lift/roller coaster down to the city, but it's kind of repetitive of the coreway and Kezan looks fairly boring.

-Really glad they didn't go with the Underkeep vibe for Gallywix's labs, the Gallagio is a lot more inspired IMO.

-This looks a lot like Crash Twinsanity.



I am really happy with the final output being the "nightless city" concept that is permanently stuck in night and day (if you haven't noticed before, there's a sun AND moon tacked up on the ceiling at all times). I only wish that it got a little darker at night- the zone looks incredible with the Inky Black Potion.

Also the existence of another focal point in the city besides the Gallagio, that being the Incontinental.

Now now now, they COULD always utilize the concept art in some way to showcase other parts of the Undermine, as the part of the city we saw in-game was the Downtown area.

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I don't think they been heavily featured at all tbh. They also seem to be completely absent from 10.1.5, so if they are not a part of 10.1.7 then its not looking good for the rootlands/haranir.

I get why people think we'd go to K'aresh, but considering we have no real way of going there anr whatnot currently, I'm not sure.

[Nymrohd]

btw I fell t11 delves in S2 are way easier than they were in season 1.

[Enrif]

btw I fell t11 delves in S2 are way easier than they were in season 1.

yes they are. There was a post about it from blizz about it. In S1 the t11 delves were more of a prestige thing just for people who want harder challanges. For S2 they decided to integrate it into the core gameplay for delves by awarding limited tokens for mythic gear

[Cheezits]

The fact that you can get mythic gear without bashing your head against group finder feels really good.

[Nymrohd]

The fact that you can get mythic gear without bashing your head against group finder feels really good.

It just feels easier than t8 was early last season. I wonder how easy it will be later down the road. Have not tried Underpin?? yet though (basic Underpin was damn easy)

[Reive]

ptr today?

[Nymrohd]

What do you think will reward the dinars?

[Cheezits]

It just feels easier than t8 was early last season. I wonder how easy it will be later down the road. Have not tried Underpin?? yet though (basic Underpin was damn easy)

What ilevel did you get it down as? I saw the mechanics were much simpler, at least for the basic version.

[Nymrohd]

What ilevel did you get it down as? I saw the mechanics were much simpler, at least for the basic version.

Did it at 633

[Mackud]

People also generally overestimate how much actual plot is in each patch.

Yeah and you still got it wrong and you're wrong anyways when it was explained to you in text format. You're either just blitzing through everything and then trying to form an opinion which is weird, or not playing the game at all then still coming on here which is even wierder.

The plot is the Shadowguard Ethereal have been working for Xala'tath since before the destruction of Dalaran but now a courier was spotted in Nerub'ar Palace and Azir has retrieved The Dark Heart but the order wasn't given by Xala'tath for him to collect it. She's come to personally collect it herself and she's found out her Shadowguard Ethereal are now under orders from someone else.

It's not rocket science.

Given how the playerbase didn't expect the story to turn into a Power struggle between Xal and Dimensius (it's safe to assume who gave the order - Nexus-Princess' dungeon journal intro was deliberately wrote to point that way) it's actually very significant

K'aresh isnt anytime soon. The character doesn't know about The Dark Heart being stolen. Alleria still thinks they were under orders from Xal when during the confrontation between herself and Azif

[ChairmanKaga]

Months ago I thought I saw an image of Sarg's sword stuck in the world blocking some orbital/artificial rings as a hologram projection ala the disc fragment bi-weeklies in Dornogal. Was that something I missed in game or fan ai slop? (I apologize for asking this as I can't keep up with this thread)

[Cheezits]

Months ago I thought I saw an image of Sarg's sword stuck in the world blocking some orbital/artificial rings as a hologram projection ala the disc fragment bi-weeklies in Dornogal. Was that something I missed in game or fan ai slop? (I apologize for asking this as I can't keep up with this thread)

It was apparently an easter egg in Legion Karazhan.

[ChairmanKaga]

It was apparently an easter egg in Legion Karazhan.

So before the sword was stuck in the world at the end of Antorus? Weird.

[Enrif]

Yeah and you still got it wrong and you're wrong anyways when it was explained to you in text format. You're either just blitzing through everything and then trying to form an opinion which is weird, or not playing the game at all then still coming on here which is even wierder.

The plot is the Shadowguard Ethereal have been working for Xala'tath since before the destruction of Dalaran but now a courier was spotted in Nerub'ar Palace and Azir has retrieved The Dark Heart but the order wasn't given by Xala'tath for him to collect it. She's come to personally collect it herself and she's found out her Shadowguard Ethereal are now under orders from someone else.

It's not rocket science.

Given how the playerbase didn't expect the story to turn into a Power struggle between Xal and Dimensius (it's safe to assume who gave the order - Nexus-Princess' dungeon journal intro was deliberately wrote to point that way) it's actually very significant

K'aresh isnt anytime soon. The character doesn't know about The Dark Heart being stolen. Alleria still thinks they were under orders from Xal when during the confrontation between herself and Azif

We don’t know if Azir and the ethereals that took the dark heart are part of the shadowguard. They could be an entirely different group. Nothing in the quests indicates them as shadowguard.

[Kiivar86]

We don’t know if Azir and the ethereals that took the dark heart are part of the shadowguard. They could be an entirely different group. Nothing in the quests indicates them as shadowguard.

While not confirmation, Alleria does say "That sounds like another Shadowguard ethereal. A minion of the Void." after Azir taunts you after destroying the first Phase Resonance during the quest Phase Shift. So not direct confirmation but if she says it sounds like it, I'm willing to accept it.

[Eldryth]

While not confirmation, Alleria does say "That sounds like another Shadowguard ethereal. A minion of the Void." after Azir taunts you after destroying the first Phase Resonance during the quest Phase Shift. So not direct confirmation but if she says it sounds like it, I'm willing to accept it.

While I do still think there's a very good chance they're working for another Void faction, Alleria also thought that they were working for Xal'atath. I took that at face value too, but it turned out to be wrong.

[Kiivar86]

While I do still think there's a very good chance they're working for another Void faction, Alleria also thought that they were working for Xal'atath. I took that at face value too, but it turned out to be wrong.

I'll grant the latter but I do think that was a fairly safe assumption for her, given the history and all. I mean, hell, even we were shocked to find out these ethereals were apparently not aligned with Xal'atath.

Though interestingly, as I looked things up to make sure, Xal asks of Gallywix that he gave it to the ethereals, neglecting to use any sort of faction name. So maybe I am wrong after all.

Still, at least at the moment, I'm going with Shadowguard ones, simplest explanation as of now.

Also I do like the idea of the inter-"faction" competition among the Void side of things. Makes things more interesting.

[milkmustache]

I'll grant the latter but I do think that was a fairly safe assumption for her, given the history and all. I mean, hell, even we were shocked to find out these ethereals were apparently not aligned with Xal'atath.

Though interestingly, as I looked things up to make sure, Xal asks of Gallywix that he gave it to the ethereals, neglecting to use any sort of faction name. So maybe I am wrong after all.

Still, at least at the moment, I'm going with Shadowguard ones, simplest explanation as of now.

Also I do like the idea of the inter-"faction" competition among the Void side of things. Makes things more interesting.

It'd be fun for them to start to utilize the multiple factions within the Ethereal culture amongst this sort of vagueness we have at the moment.

Say the Shadowguard are entirely loyal to Xal'atath, but Azir and his crew are Ethereum holdouts who believe in the cause of regaining K'aresh rather than becoming Void. Or Azir and his crew could be an arm of the Protectorate that infiltrated the ranks of the Shadowguard to gain the Dark Heart for themselves for the same thing.