Midnight 12.X Patches & World Soul Saga Speculation Thread

[Enrif]

I'm honestly not sure why you're in this thread, you're just dismissing any bit of in-game evidence and only interested in how your own fantasy take on things.

I mean the whole thing about Void Gods and there's a massive caged one in Netherlight Temple which turns back into a Naaru kinda proves it.

And i'm not sure what your beef is. You are less then 11 days registered on the forum or this is a new troll account as your old one was banned, certinaly for no good reason, right?

And i'm not dismissing any evidance, as i was among the first to point out that Azir isn't likely to work for Xal, based on the game clues we had, which turned out to be true, instead of going on preperceived things that are not based on current thing we saw.

And i'm not sure why you bring up the void gods, as i didn't talked about them besides mentioneing them on the side, while my focus was on the void lords.

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If you don't want to run a convention then don't run a convention. Another yearly delay is just clearly showcasing that they don't really want to do this.

We've got Directs, its enough. Especially when we know they probably cancel after this 2026 convention, anyways. Oh well, a final hurrah is at least good for those who want it.

I think they learned from last blizzcon, which was the planning was outsourced and was a disaster, and they likely didn't plan for this year due to not having enough time to plan a new one bythemself and not having another third party to provide. Skipping to 2026 allows them either to plan one themselves, or get a better third party planner.

[Joshuaj]

Void Lords and voidlords are the same thing. The ones that look like void elementals are just a fragment of a true Void Lord like Dimensius that he managed to manifest in the physical universe.

They are not the same thing.

[Ersula]

No. The Titans embody the force, but they're not order entire. If there is a government or power structure of any kind involved, then it's the influence of Order. The other forces work on a higher level in the different realms. For example, the concept of time doesn't apply to places like the Shadowlands, yet it still involves eternity, and there's still a cause and effect to things, both of which require some form of passage of time. Meaning, time likely just exists on a much higher level in places like the Dream, the Shadowlands, etc.

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It's confusing, but it's nothing new.

But Time isn't a cosmic force. I would agree with you until they directly tell us Order didn't exist until the First Ones designed it. I'm saying if it goes outside the Titans direct dominion, it ceases to be Order. Order can't be in conflict with itself.

They are not the same thing.

Honestly it could be like Timelords where its a race. Or the fact that lord is a rather relatively low position of Authority. There can be a huge range of minor and major void lords.

[Joshuaj]

But Time isn't a cosmic force. I would agree with you until they directly tell us Order didn't exist until the First Ones designed it. I'm saying if it goes outside the Titans direct dominion, it ceases to be Order. Order can't be in conflict with itself.
Honestly it could be like Timelords where its a race. Or the fact that lord is a rather relatively low position of Authority. There can be a huge range of minor and major void lords.

Time is still a construct of Order, so it existing in any regard means Order exists in some form. It's kinda like how light can exist in areas that aren't related to the Naaru, or how life can exist despite not being influenced directly by Elune or so.

Shit, Disorder exists for a lot of things in WoW, and most of those things don't even involve the demons nor the fel.

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To give you another example of Order existing without the Titans influence, look at the Black Empire.

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Also, things such as chaos naturally come from Disorder's influence.

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I'm not sure if I'm more happy about the fact that BlizzCon is returning, or sad and surprised they're skipping another year.

They're obviously announcing it so soon because people were expecting BlizzCon 2025 to be announced soon, but it's still a bit weird.

Why not just have BlizzCon be an annual social event and then use Directs to announce games regularly? Last BlizzCon was really slimmed down anyway, with hardly any developer panels or announcements outside of Warcraft.

I guess I could see this being the time and place to announce the new StarCraft game, but yeah...

TLT is probably a safe bet for BlizzCon 2026 then.

Hmmm...maybe not. 12.2 at most.

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I mean, think of it like this, with something as big as our first glimpse into Light and Shadow's conflict (Which seems to be much more prevalent than Life and Death's conflict, or Order and Disorder's conflict, likely due to their absolute yin/yang nature), I think Blizzard hiding it for next year's Blizzcon would be the best way to go about things.

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I mean, think about it: K'aresh, Light and Shadow's climactic battle for Azeroth AKA Renilash, our first glimpse into the Light's forces outside of the Naaru and the small glimmer we got with the Army of the Light, us potentially seeing Dimensius' true form for the first time, us MAYBE entering the Void in true for the first time (Or at least a place where the realms of Light and Shadow clash), etc...

Would be an amazing Blizzcon reveal!

[Dracullus]

Hmmm...maybe not. 12.2 at most.

If we put "8 week rule" as rough estimation, next Blizzcon should be between 12.1 and 12.1.5. I don't think they ever revealed next expansion before current last big patch was known (if anyone disagree, show me example), more often last raid was on PTR. But on other hand TLT is already revealed and they can talk about Northrend and major feature updates. And Blizzcon is just few months from "proper" time to show TLT, ignoring it would be major letdown.

So we are dealing with something never happened before. Imo we will get both 12.2 and TLT reveal.

I wonder how they will handle MD reveal btw. It's Gamescom time, D4 second expansion should be unveiled at similar time, great opportunity for some bigger live event in Germany and fill void for this year.

[Ersula]

If we put "8 week rule" as rough estimation, next Blizzcon should be between 12.1 and 12.1.5. I don't think they ever revealed next expansion before current last big patch was known (if anyone disagree, show me example), more often last raid was on PTR. But on other hand TLT is already revealed and they can talk about Northrend and major feature updates. And Blizzcon is just few months from "proper" time to show TLT, ignoring it would be major letdown.

So we are dealing with something never happened before. Imo we will get both 12.2 and TLT reveal.

I wonder how they will handle MD reveal btw. It's Gamescom time, D4 second expansion should be unveiled at similar time, great opportunity for some bigger live event in Germany and fill void for this year.

They could just hop the content reveal queue with the premise of 12.2 before doing the expansion reveal. That's essentially what they did with Argus & Ny'alotha. We already have a good idea about 11.2 now that the 11.1 content has been released & cinematics shown.

[Cheezits]

So in the Undermine finale, Orweyna is barely involved besides a blink and you miss it goodbye to Gazlowe and saying she's "going home". So they really are not pushing her very hard there, especially not compared to Azir and K'aresh.

Also, can confirm the Tazavesh shout, though it's from a bad goblin in the final sidequest. Which is a very nice sidequest, and seems to imply they may be reopening the Gallagio for outdoor world content at some time. Would be nice if they turned it into a functional "Casino" or just an arcade with no real money attachments.

The way it's structured in the raid doesn't make much sense for an actual casino so it would be nice if they made a new version as a patch-agnostic gamemode. It would at least you explain why you don't ACTUALLY go inside the Gallagio during the sidequest (which they even joke about as Noggenfogger says it's stupid the party is being held out on the patio).

[Cheezits]

Boom, housing news.

https://worldofwarcraft.blizzard.com.../news/24186690

Absolutely perfect. The fact that you can turn off collision entirely is amazing, and the house looks huge. Dye system for new props is a big win.

Also I see Goblin, Nerubian (the food plate), Night Elf and Blood Elf props.

Partition walls? Goddamn.

[Fahrad Wagner]

Absolutely perfect. The fact that you can turn off collision entirely is amazing, and the house looks huge. Dye system for new props is a big win.

Also I see Goblin, Nerubian (the food plate), Night Elf and Blood Elf props.

Partition walls? Goddamn.

This is crazy good, holy f-

[Timester]

Basically Fallout 4 Housing.

[Enrif]

Boom, housing news.

https://worldofwarcraft.blizzard.com.../news/24186690

Holy shit, that is actually quite impressive and beyond what I would have expected. Even some color options… can only wish they do this also for transmog in the future

[Nymrohd]

OK this seems very solid so far. Ofc it will depend on the variety of decor and some of the best houses will depend on your creativity in repurposing decor by scaling/placing it in just the right way.

[Cheezits]

The fact that the interiors are not connected to the exteriors is a huge win IMO. I would much prefer a smaller exterior with a giant room inside Animal Crossing style.

[Foreign Exchange Ztudent]

This is so shockingly good that it makes me think Blizzard hit their head or something, there's no way they managed to beat all odds against them. I thought there would be some dumb fuck stupid dumbass decision they would stick by but nope they basically went and said "Nope, everything's possible.".

[Timester]

This is so shockingly good that it makes me think Blizzard hit their head or something, there's no way they managed to beat all odds against them. I thought there would be some dumb fuck stupid dumbass decision they would stick by but nope they basically went and said "Nope, everything's possible.".

It's like they have new bosses, uh.

[Cheezits]

This is so shockingly good that it makes me think Blizzard hit their head or something, there's no way they managed to beat all odds against them. I thought there would be some dumb fuck stupid dumbass decision they would stick by but nope they basically went and said "Nope, everything's possible.".

If there's a catch I'm sure it's going to be "the big houses are too expensive/cash shop only" or something similar. But mechanically there seems to be no issues.

[Joshuaj]

Boom, housing news.

https://worldofwarcraft.blizzard.com.../news/24186690

This is peak.

[Foreign Exchange Ztudent]

If there's a catch I'm sure it's going to be "the big houses are too expensive/cash shop only" or something similar. But mechanically there seems to be no issues.

I mean, they're selling Furniture bundles which could become a super cursed situation but that's about it as the only catch.

[Zardas]

I mean, they're selling Furniture bundles which could become a super cursed situation but that's about it as the only catch.

It's up to us to fight against this by not buying it.

[Joshuaj]

"If you want a huge mansion outside with just one room inside or a tiny shack on the outside but a dozen rooms inside, you do you."

...say that again?

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Did they just say "huge mansion"????