Midnight 12.X Patches & World Soul Saga Speculation Thread

[Joshuaj]

Wash the dishes to gain Housing Tender. Vacuum. Extra tender if you lift the carpets and move the furniture

Wait I'd love this.

[Viridiel]

Wash the dishes to gain Housing Tender. Vacuum. Extra tender if you lift the carpets and move the furniture

Yes please. I've spent the last decade missing my wizard chores.

[Teriz]

Wash the dishes to gain Housing Tender. Vacuum. Extra tender if you lift the carpets and move the furniture

Man, Role Players would go crazy if something like that was offered.

[Chickat]

This is crazy good, holy f-

Yeah, my expectations were pretty high, but they definitely exceeded them. It seems WoW housing might be the best housing system in modern mmos. I feel like only Wildstar was better. I was expecting Swtor levels of housing, and this is nearly perfect. I cant think of anything to complain about. I went from 7/10 excitement for Midnight to 11/10.

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I am honestly unsure at this point since they even allow clipping of furniture which past Blizzard would definitely be extremely against. That was when lightbulb went up for me that they're completely out of their rockers.

I don't think they're fucking this up. This was a flawless article.

Obviously the Furniture MTX situation is where things can go super awry though. Infinite Purchaseable, Bundling and on a Timer could be in the cards cause this Housing System sure looks expensive based on what they've accomplished.

They can fix that by having every furniture item sold in the shop rotate to the trading post 6 months after being put into the shop.

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I am legit shocked they're allowing the clipping, but I am 100% not unhappy with that, because it'll allow for some real good work for sure. I am beyond amazed.

Oh! And dyes! And rather robust too!

Jumping puzzles are back on the menu.

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The fact that you can - change the texture of walls, floors and ceilings, scale furniture up and down to any size, clip furniture into each other and walls, rotate and tilt on every axis, being able to dye furniture, but going so far as to let players not just move window but change the entire layout of the house, including wall placement etc - already makes it the most comprehensive housing decorating system out of all the major MMO's that have housing - by a wide margin

The only place where the housing system falters is going with a neighbourhood syetm where everyone is forced to have houses near other houses in the same orc/human themed biomes

I could see them adding individual instances eventually. Probably years down the line, but still.

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Fuck.

How many thousands of hours we are going to lose decorating our house?

This looks amazing. Good job Blizzard.

Now just give me a ranged DH spec and I promise to never ask for anything else.

Do you want, a fel magic bow/gun spec, or a throwing glaive spec?

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This is perfect.
Like really, shockingly perfect.

This is the decorative freedom that i was always fantasizing about but was not actually expecting to get.

It seems even better than the Sims in some ways. (Not all ofc) but i was literally gobsmacked. I couldn't believe how good it looked.

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The most likely way to fuck it up at this point would be poor implementation of aquiring furniture. Specifically in this case, nowhere to gain them outside In-game shop and Trading Post.
Generally low variety in furniture as well.

I'm skeptical about them adding lumber/logging and carpentry even though it would be peak. I imagine that older assets would be retroactively added to old content. Like dungeons/raids rep vendors, as well as the trading post. New stuff will come from new reps/achievments, dungeons, raids, rares etc as well as from profs. Every prof could get new housing recipes.

But if they want to hit it out the park, logging and carpentry for 75% of housing items would be amazing. I imagine logging could be used for weapons like hilts and wands, so it can be a new gathering prof. Carpentry however should be a new secondary prof. They would also in my view need to make all secondary profs war bound. Bring back first aid, fix archeology, cooking, fishing and Carpentry would all be account wide war bound profs. To get the materials you would need stuff from every prof, so it being account wide makes sense. You just add the carpentry mats to the war bound bank and then craft to your hearts content.

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I pray exterior design is as varied as this!

I have a feeling its going to be reigned in to only the normal mode. No clipping etc. Everyone in the neighborhood has to see your exterior, so they will want to keep it all looking at least somewhat consistent imo.

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Also I wonder if this confirms the benchmark for doodads/furniture is DF, as the oldest furniture I can see is the Bel'ameth Night Elf assets. Unless I'm missing something.

I don't see any reason BFA/DF would be missed besides general hate for those expansions. The Islands have good HD props and are popular, and SL for all its fault at least has some good looking stuff.

I think aesthetically the oldest they should go is Pandaria but I also wouldn't be opposed to an HD refresh on their assets. And then of course some old items for nostalgia's sake, especially as it doesn't look like we are getting Vanilla and Outlands revamps.

I think they can get away with some Cata goblin and Worgen stuff too, but for the most part the furthest they should go back is Pandaria, I agree. I think WoD assets look perfectly fine mixed with even TWW assets. A small quality difference sure, but nothing egregious.

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And to think people thought you wouldn't even be able to put decorations wherever you wanted. Have some god damn faith.

I was expecting Swtor housing. Every apartment had a few hundred hooks. You could rotate stuff on a hook, but you couldn't do much else. A table could only hold 3 or 4 things at predetermined locations etc. I would have been content enough with that. It wouldn't have blown me away, but with how old wows engine was i wasn't expecting much more. Some thought it would be a small step up from garrisons, so to them my expectations were high. Now we are all wearing cake lmao. (is that the correct term? Eating cake? Eating our hats? I have been up 28 hours on 2 hours sleep so my brain is fried.)

[Darkarath]

Do you want, a fel magic bow/gun spec, or a throwing glaive spec?

Fel Archer, obviously. Although I also have this idea in which they wield fist weapons which let them cast fel bolts and similar stuff.

BTW, I found this Bellular video quite interesting. He makes some valid points that could link Xal'athat to K'aresh.

[Enrif]

BTW, I found this Bellular video quite interesting. He makes some valid points that could link Xal'athat to K'aresh.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UULp...llularWarcraft

I think there was discussion about this theory somewhere in the past in this very thread.

Xal'atath having deep connections , or even being herself, Ethereal was long in the cards. It will be exiting to see that unraveled in the game.

[Hitei]

I think there was discussion about this theory somewhere in the past in this very thread.

Xal'atath having deep connections , or even being herself, Ethereal was long in the cards. It will be exiting to see that unraveled in the game.

If they're not playable in Midnight it's gonna be real lame.

[Enrif]

If they're not playable in Midnight it's gonna be real lame.

Oh yeah. Playable ethereals, perhaps with a new matching class (Spellblade or Void Hunter or something similar) would be an even bigger sales incentive for Midnight

[Lahis]

I have a feeling its going to be reigned in to only the normal mode. No clipping etc. Everyone in the neighborhood has to see your exterior, so they will want to keep it all looking at least somewhat consistent imo.

If they allow free placement and noclipping for outside elements, you just know people will use that power to create phallic sculptures.

[Enrif]

If they allow free placement and clipping for outside elements, you just know people will use that power to create phallic sculptures.

honestly, i think they will just add a report function for "explicit or offensive" homes, that will give a ban to the player on repeat offenses. HOA now also in your game

[Hitei]

honestly, i think they will just add a report function for "explicit or offensive" homes, that will give a ban to the player on repeat offenses. HOA now also in your game

I hope they also add neighborhood based voting for other things as well. Like majority based evictions for stuff that doesn't warrant reporting/banning, or neighborhood voted communal decorations like fountains, path types, etc.

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With all this talk of K'aresh, I wanted to post a still from the cinematic as I don't think it has yet?

The visual alone is beautiful. Gives a real sense of wonder and scale; like standing at the edge of a mountain look out.

Let us just gaze in awe:




EDIT: A part of me wonders if this is truly K'aresh, though.

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If they're not playable in Midnight it's gonna be real lame.

I've been on team "make Ethereals playable" since TBC so Midnight is the last good chance we may have.

[Nymrohd]

EDIT: A part of me wonders if this is truly K'aresh, though.

It most likely is; what else would it be? That said, I agree that it is not certain.

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It most likely is; what else would it be? That said, I agree that it is not certain.

Blizzard would have to have known the community would assume it is K'aresh. Everything implies it, sure. I'm certain that was the point.

Just knowing Blizzard, I wonder if it is some form of Void-related red herring or MacGuffin. It looking like a whirling vortex of Void -- the same visual of the Maelstrom on Azeroth, as an example -- I wonder if it's a portal.

[Darkarath]

It most likely is; what else would it be? That said, I agree that it is not certain.

It's K'aresh.

The twist could be that it was Azeroth's Worldsoul, but I think that we can discard that option.

I am pretty confident that K'aresh is 11.2, especially after seeing Orweyna's farewell, which was... kind of offscreen? I almost didn't notice. K'aresh also seems to have a link with Xal'athat, and it is about time that we learn more about her. I believe that we will probably find answers there.

Hence Ethereals will most likely become playable in 12.0 pre-patch, as a bonus for buying Midnight.

I hope that they don't make something like Evoker again. I mean, give us another class, but do NOT tie it to a single race.

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I'm not saying it's not K'aresh. I believe it is.

I'm just wondering by the off-chance that it may not be, is all.

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I am pretty confident that K'aresh is 11.2, especially after seeing Orweyna's farewell, which was... kind of offscreen? I almost didn't notice. Hence Ethereals will most likely become playable in 12.0 pre-patch, as a bonus for buying Midnight.

...unless perhaps 11.2 does end up being Orweyna related "Rootlands" shenanigans, saving the Dark Heart story to be concluded in Midnight.

I could imagine a scenario where the Void invasion on Azeroth stems from K'aresh.

[Enrif]

A part of me wonders if this is truly K'aresh, though.

Well, we don't know. It could be, but there are some design choices that throws things into question what we knew about K'aresh.

First. It was said it was devoured by Dimensius. But looking at that, that isn't a planet that looks devoured. It look like it split apart.
Second. The center looks... weird. What is it? It isn't a black hole, or else the remnants of K'aresh would have been swallowed. Yet it draws in that whispy darkness. So, there is some pull to it. Likely just enough to prevent the remnants from drifting away.
Third. The remnants are barren as heck. Like, there is only dark rock. No sign of anything on it. No ruins, not discernable mountains or valleys, nothing. If it would have been a planet it should have something to see. Even our moon shows something on its surface, and isn't as empty looking as this. Especially so close that it covers the whole screen.
Fourth. The thing in the middle. If it is/was a world soul, than congratulations, Sargeras Crusade was pointless, the Void took already a world soul thus a Titan. Right?

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I mean, give us another class, but do NOT tie it to a single race.

AMEN! /10char

[Nymrohd]

If we are getting ethereals next, my money is on either some form of spellblade or a void-based class. Either would work with ethereals, Quel'thalas, the Midnight theme and void/blood/high elves.

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Fourth. The thing in the middle. If it is/was a world soul, than congratulations, Sargeras Crusade was pointless, the Void took already a world soul thus a Titan. Right?

There is perhaps a difference between possessing a World Soul and becoming a Void Titan and outright eating it. We know they can do the latter but they needed the Old Gods to do the former. Heck perhaps different Void Lords have different goals. Maybe Dimensius is just fine with eating World Souls while other Void Lords want to find a way to use one to permanently manifest in reality instead of temporarily stay there as long as there is something to eat to keep them anchored. Maybe what we are seeing is a Void Portal and K'aresh is not destroyed; it is stolen to the Void.

But yeah, I don't see K'aresh as presented in that still as a place we explore similar to Argus. Could be that Rootlands is the zone and K'aresh is the raid with the Worldcore shown but not used in this expac and saved for TLT.

My real question when it comes to K'aresh is the timeline. Xal has been trapped on Azeroth for millenia now. Did Dimensius attack K'aresh before the arrival of the Old Gods on Azeroth? Because Xal has been trapped for well over 25 thousand years.

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Fourth. The thing in the middle. If it is/was a world soul, than congratulations, Sargeras Crusade was pointless, the Void took already a world soul thus a Titan. Right?

This could be a possibility. We know now that K'aresh's native people received visions like Azeroth's Radiant Song. That would strongly imply a worldsoul present.

I've thought about that before: K'aresh having a Void corrupted worldsoul cooking up in the pot. I suppose it would make sense for us to deal with that corrupted worldsoul before an expansion called "The Last Titan" launches.

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There is perhaps a difference between possessing a World Soul and becoming a Void Titan and outright eating it. We know they can do the latter but they needed the Old Gods to do the former. Heck perhaps different Void Lords have different goals. Maybe Dimensius is just fine with eating World Souls while other Void Lords want to find a way to use one to permanently manifest in reality instead of temporarily stay there as long as there is something to eat to keep them anchored. Maybe what we are seeing is a Void Portal and K'aresh is not destroyed; it is stolen to the Void.

That creates a disconnect between what we have been made to believe about the Void Lord's goals. If their #1 goal is to find and corrupt a worldsoul into a "Void Titan" then it kind of makes no sense for Dimensius to show up and just... eat the planet.

Unless, of course:

1.> The Void Lord's goals, as we have been made to believe by Warcraft Chronicle's titan perspective is false (maybe they believe it to be true, but not in actuality)
2.> Dimensius acts separately from the Void Lords?
3.> Some other explanation that I cannot think of at the moment

[Nymrohd]

This could be a possibility. We know now that K'aresh's native people received visions like Azeroth's Radiant Song. That would strongly imply a worldsoul present.

I've thought about that before: K'aresh having a Void corrupted worldsoul cooking up in the pot. I suppose it would make sense for us to deal with that corrupted worldsoul before an expansion called "The Last Titan" launches.

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That creates a disconnect between what we have been made to believe about the Void Lord's goals. If their #1 goal is to find and corrupt a worldsoul into a "Void Titan" then it kind of makes no sense for Dimensius to show up and just... eat the planet.

Unless, of course:

1.> The Void Lord's goals, as we have been made to believe by Warcraft Chronicle's titan perspective is false (maybe they believe it to be true, but not in actuality)
2.> Dimensius acts separately from the Void Lords?
3.> Some other explanation that I cannot think of at the moment

It could be that Dimensius attacking K'aresh happened VERY LONG AGO. Like, before the Void Lords created the Old Gods. So it was a test run on how they could manifest on the material plane, it failed and then they created the Old God scheme. This would mean Xal'atath could have even been on K'aresh since it would have happened before she got trapped on Azeroth. Heck it could have happened before the Pantheon was created, perhaps K'aresh was OLDER than Aman'thul.

Or alternatively, the Void Lords are not of one mind. Which makes absolute sense given that the Void is all about individuality.