Midnight 12.X Patches & World Soul Saga Speculation Thread

[Varodoc]

Probably Chromie as Anachronos is nowhere to be seen. A very bad choice IMO.

Thankfully this will never happen, because Blizzard stated that Infinite Dragonflight plotline is resolved in upcoming megadungeon.

Warcraft is a happy story, Warcraft is a cheerful story, Nozdormu was never going to succumb to his fate. He was always going to be saved eventually.

[Darkarath]

Thankfully this will never happen, because Blizzard stated that Infinite Dragonflight plotline is resolved in upcoming megadungeon.

Warcraft is a happy story, Warcraft is a cheerful story, Nozdormu was never going to succumb to his fate. He was always going to be saved eventually.

Do not know about that. The "we are all well and happy" change that the new narrative team is trying to pull off has to end at some point.

WoW's story seriously need a WTF moment. My bet is on 10.2 for that to happen, because I do not count Nozdormu becoming Murozond as a WTF moment, as we have known that since forever. Seriously, if that does not happen now when it is going to happen? Plus we have to take into account that Iridikron strucks a deal with the Infinites. I do not think that they let him do his thing in exchange for nothing. Ensuring Murozond's birth could be it.

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And weird. Black flight story pretty much focused on bringing every black dragon alive around. Same with Blue. Then Bronze for some reason just has the same dragons we've always had. And it's weird that they let Anachronos behind

Chromie would be rather insufferable to me, but she's the obvious choice given that Blizzard has evidently forgotten about every other bronze dragon in the lore. She is a model of everything wrong with the tone right now, and she will undoubtedly export that wherever she treads.

[Varodoc]

Do not know about that. The "we are all well and happy" change that the new narrative team is trying to pull off has to end at some point.

WoW's story seriously need a WTF moment. My bet is on 10.2 for that to happen, because I do not count Nozdormu becoming Murozond as a WTF moment, as we have known that since forever. Seriously, if that does not happen now when it is going to happen? Plus we have to take into account that Iridikron strucks a deal with the Infinites. I do not think that they let him do his thing in exchange for nothing. Ensuring Murozond's birth could be it.

Due to timey-wimey BS, there could be an infinite amount of Murozonds in reserve. The "Main" Nozdormu is saved, Blizzard do not want to kill him, that why they had that cheerful and happy cutscene where Chromie promises Nozdormu he will be saved, anime-style.

Chromie will never be Bronze Dragon Aspect.

Beyond that, The Infinite Dragonflight are puppets of the Old Gods, so Iridrikon has struck a bargain with the Old Gods by proxy. Expect to see even more Old God/Void than what was shown in the Chromie questline and in Aberrus. As for whether this counts as a "WTF" moment or not, that depends. Even the average player has realized that N'Zoth is too smart to have died so easily, so obviously everyone realizes that the Old Gods are still around. The question is not "if", it is "when", and that's where the mystery comes in.

[3DTyrant]

We do not know yet. IMO Nozdormu will finally turn into Murozond. At this point after so much foreshadowing, it would be very dissapointing if he stays as Nozdormu.

Did we not stop that from happening in the End Time (I think it was End Time anyway) dungeon way back in the last patch of Cata? All this wibbly wobbly timey wimey stuff can get a tad confusing at this point.

[Shadowferal]

All this wibbly wobbly timey wimey stuff can get a tad confusing at this point.

Ridiculously incoherent you mean.

[Raetary]

Did we not stop that from happening in the End Time (I think it was End Time anyway) dungeon way back in the last patch of Cata? All this wibbly wobbly timey wimey stuff can get a tad confusing at this point.

No we didn't stop it from happening.
We just had our hands in his demise.

Eventually Noz will turn, and our cata selves will kill him.

Nozdormu even recaps as much at the end of the dungeon.

[3DTyrant]

No we didn't stop it from happening.
We just had our hands in his demise.

Eventually Noz will turn, and our cata selves will kill him.

Nozdormu even recaps as much at the end of the dungeon.

Fair enough, it has been a long time since I last done that dungeon so clearly I misremembered what occurred.

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Fair enough, it has been a long time since I last done that dungeon so clearly I misremembered what occurred.

What you may be thinking of is a bit of inconsistency that Wowpedia mentions occurred in Dawn of the Aspects. However, the same mistake is made in that article that End Time is the same timeline in which Murozond emerges rather than simply his hiding place; I have never read the book, so I can't know whether the same editor misunderstood a line about the End Time in the same novel or something to that effect.

Not a bad idea, but we are dealing with Blizzard. They would be unable to explain something like that to its players in a satisfactory way and to carry that plot forward.

Fair enough. I could see it falling flat without effective clarification, and we're dealing with an unfortunate juxtaposition between writers that have a tendency towards miscommunication and failing to fully analyze the implications of whatever they write (see: Shadowlands) and a highly-concrete and literal-minded audience that had a few members that didn't realize soap opera Malfurion was an illusion generated by Xavius back in Legion.

Still, I think it's worth giving some benefit of a doubt to the capacities of the writers for the sake of theoreticals.

[loras]

What you may be thinking of is a bit of inconsistency that Wowpedia mentions occurred in Dawn of the Aspects. However, the same mistake is made in that article that End Time is the same timeline in which Murozond emerges rather than simply his hiding place; I have never read the book, so I can't know whether the same editor misunderstood a line about the End Time in the same novel or something to that effect.



Fair enough. I could see it falling flat without effective clarification, and we're dealing with an unfortunate juxtaposition between writers that have a tendency towards miscommunication and failing to fully analyze the implications of whatever they write (see: Shadowlands) with a highly-concrete and literal-minded audience that had a few members that didn't realize soap opera Malfurion was an illusion generated by Xavius back in Legion.

That was serious!?

[Skildar]

soap opera Malfurion was an illusion generated by Xavius back in Legion

Except that it's Tyrande that is insufferable during the time in which you chase illusions of Malfurion. The real one is a pain to watch for others reasons, amongst which he taunts repetitively Xavius shadow when trapped and at its mercy. It's only thanks to the players that save him that he doesn't die there while he does nothing to fight of Xavius.

You can't seriously defend the narration of this legion sequence. Xavius was badly handled and the relationship between Tyrande and Malfurion at this moment was a painpoint to the narration.

[huth]

Do not know about that. The "we are all well and happy" change that the new narrative team is trying to pull off has to end at some point.

It's a misrepresentation of what they said anyway. Infinite Flight is done for now, not permanently resolved. I.e. it won't show up in DF again in any major capacity.

It would actually be a paradox if he became Murozond that way, as it would have meant he was already Murozond at points in time when he acted as Nozdormu still. Thus any other outcome was impossible from the start, Deios had to fail. Guy probably had a god complex anyway, with a name like that.

Remember, a paradox is something that cannot ever actually happen. If a line of logic leads to a paradox, it means the logic is wrong.

[Alanar]

Chromie would be rather insufferable to me, but she's the obvious choice given that Blizzard has evidently forgotten about every other bronze dragon in the lore. She is a model of everything wrong with the tone right now, and she will undoubtedly export that wherever she treads.

The bronze will lose some interest if Chromie will be their leader. She is everything people DONT want, for obvious reasons and on top of that they forget some bronze dragons who were around.

Murozond not happening is exactly what we wanted, why people suddenly que about that not happening?

I hope he stays the bronze leader, he is atleast the coolest looking, another thing that would suck trading it for a gnome with an annoying voice.

So far so good I would say.

[huth]

Except that it's Tyrande that is insufferable during the time in which you chase illusions of Malfurion. The real one is a pain to watch for others reasons, amongst which he taunts repetitively Xavius shadow when trapped and at its mercy. It's only thanks to the players that save him that he doesn't die there while he does nothing to fight of Xavius.

You can't seriously defend the narration of this legion sequence. Xavius was badly handled and the relationship between Tyrande and Malfurion at this moment was a painpoint to the narration.

I don't know. I think the point of that was that Malfurion was never in any danger of serious harm. Note how all Xavius ever does to those taunts is complain and whine; he really does not have the ability to do anything more to Malfurion than stop him from leaving. So all Malfurion has to do is wait until we can be bothered to saunter over and punch Xavius' shadow-clone face.
The only reason Malfurion does not resolve the whole matter himself after that is because he cannot enter the place Xavius real form is. Xavius was never a major threat to him and Tyrande was way overreacting.

[Alanar]

Oh, I love your theory that Fyrakk's going to be Deathwing 2.0. He already burning people alive when he is in the zone, like DW!! Maybe we can use what ever spears Igira is making to destroy the Incarnates?

Deathwing 2.0 sounds like a bad dream.

[huth]

The bronze will lose some interest if Chromie will be their leader. She is everything people DONT want, for obvious reasons and on top of that they forget some bronze dragons who were around.

You don't want. Though i'll concede that she isn't really suited to a leadership role. And they should have called her evil self Monochromie or at least Mochrie.

[Darkarath]

Crazy silly theory, what if Murozond happens, but Murozond was never Nozdormu to start with. He is simply another character that took that name, as it was already establish, as a representation of what the Infinites think that Nozdormu should have been.

Chromie is willing to sacrifice everything to save Nozdormu. Maybe she becomes Murozond herself to save him.

[Alanar]

You don't want. Though i'll concede that she isn't really suited to a leadership role. And they should have called her evil self Monochromie or at least Mochrie.

The voices here were pretty common she is not the right choice. It became obvious fairly quickly people dont want her. So we is fine, but what ever you feel like.
In fact I havent seen a single poster say; wow that a good choice or cool I love her.

I dont even care about morchie.

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Crazy silly theory, what if Murozond happens, but Murozond was never Nozdormu to start with. He is simply another character that took that name, as it was already establish, as a representation of what the Infinites think that Nozdormu should have been.

Chromie is willing to sacrifice everything to save Nozdormu. Maybe she becomes Murozond herself to save him.

What if just nothing happends?

[huth]

Crazy silly theory, what if Murozond happens, but Murozond was never Nozdormu to start with. He is simply another character that took that name, as it was already establish, as a representation of what the Infinites think that Nozdormu should have been.

Chromie is willing to sacrifice everything to save Nozdormu. Maybe she becomes Murozond herself to save him.

Nozdormu already confirmed he is him back in End Time.

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Murozond not happening is exactly what we wanted, why people suddenly que about that not happening?

I can't speak for others, but I would prefer for Murozond to happen because it would allow a villain victory without strings attached, ensure the regular appearance of the Infinite Dragonflight going forward, and create a major paradigm shift that wouldn't upend the entire setting for the worse like the ending of BfA did while still having tangible and obvious effects.