Midnight 12.X Patches & World Soul Saga Speculation Thread

[Nymrohd]

Which brings up Tomb of Soakgeras: how changed is it going to be, if at all?

KJ mythic is going to make Remix Garrosh look like LFR.

Oh god no. I am sorry but I am not doing Mythic KJ with a PuG if the Singularities remain the same.

[Limayria]

DH 3rd spec + DH wings as a class flying mount I literally don't think I've ever seen a single person use the stupid bat

[Sondrelk]

More curious how they are going to handle mage tower tbh

My guess is that it will be a unique reward on a similar level to the ones you got in MoP from the zone meta achievements.
If I were to make a completely random guess, I would say the reward will be a recolour of the class sets we got during the 20th anniversary.

The Mage Tower isn't going to be difficult unless they tune it around the best gear possible.

[Darkarath]

I am not looking forward to Azsuna and Highmountain again. Curious how much they will lean on Suramar.

Legion questing experience was pretty mid, except for Suramar, Argus and some class questlines. Stormheim was a mess. But if it is similar to MoP Remix it would be pretty fun.

What I am more curious about is the lore explanation. In MoP Remix we got this new brand of "good" Infinites. I wonder if they will expand this thread.

It would be cool if after K'aresh we know that the Void is coming and that we are not prepared. The Infinites would help us to recover our artifacts in the same way that we recovered the Dragon Soul to kill Deathwing.

In Midnight we get a new artifact talent tree, new appearances, and of course a new evergreen Class Order Hall.

DH 3rd spec + DH wings as a class flying mount I literally don't think I've ever seen a single person use the stupid bat

That bat has been my main mount for a while now

[Enrif]

If I were to make a completely random guess, I would say the reward will be a recolour of the class sets we got during the 20th anniversary.

oh, that's a good prediction. There was that one monk set they showed in promo, but then gave out a different colored one.

[Nymrohd]

DH 3rd spec + DH wings as a class flying mount I literally don't think I've ever seen a single person use the stupid bat

I use a DF netherdrake.

[Khaza-R]

My guess is that it will be a unique reward on a similar level to the ones you got in MoP from the zone meta achievements.
If I were to make a completely random guess, I would say the reward will be a recolour of the class sets we got during the 20th anniversary.

The Mage Tower isn't going to be difficult unless they tune it around the best gear possible.

Thats a good guess of a reward. There was the recolor of the monk set I think they leaked?

I can't imagine they would expect you to grind out every class. So yeah, probably just do it once and then you can purchase all the other sets for bronze.

[Nymrohd]

Thats a good guess of a reward. There was the recolor of the monk set I think they leaked?

I can't imagine they would expect you to grind out every class. So yeah, probably just do it once and then you can purchase all the other sets for bronze.

I'd expect at least a requirement to complete every encounter tbh. You can do that with 3 characters.

[Sondrelk]

Thats a good guess of a reward. There was the recolor of the monk set I think they leaked?

I can't imagine they would expect you to grind out every class. So yeah, probably just do it once and then you can purchase all the other sets for bronze.

Yeah. Which is partially why I cannot imagine them making it difficult enough it requires max level gear. If they do, then people will only end up doing it once on the best character, not to mention they would have to tune it around Evoker. If they require it on a class basis, then it's simply far too punishing considering how little time you will actually have in the short time the event will be ongoing.

[Teriz]

DH 3rd spec + DH wings as a class flying mount I literally don't think I've ever seen a single person use the stupid bat

New DH spec is doubtful unfortunately. Thanks to Hero talents, a new DH spec would require them to completely overhaul the existing 2 DH hero talents.

[Sondrelk]

I'd expect at least a requirement to complete every encounter tbh. You can do that with 3 characters.

I dunno. Even with the massively fast levelling. 3 characters is still quite a lot for the average player.
I could see a Feat of Strength maybe, but nothing with a tangible reward useable outside Remix tied to it.

[Dracullus]

Since when Remix is about a challenge. Not to mention Mage Tower literally exist in evergreen form.

[Limayria]

New DH spec is doubtful unfortunately. Thanks to Hero talents, a new DH spec would require them to completely overhaul the existing 2 DH hero talents.

Fel scared for havoc/vengeance aldratchi for vengeance/new spec

Blade dance focused hero talent for havoc/new spec

New spec focused on under utilized or removed dh abilities, old style moment, fury of the illidari, glaive throws legendary from shadowlands, chaos blades and most importantly a spec that doesn't have a demon form to help deliver the actual dh fantasy of fighting demons and actually resisting the demon within rather than being like "erm yeah you can have control as much as possible actually"

Other mechanically hooks would be built around glaive work combos and bleeds, giving the new spec deflecting dance with two charges of blade dance would allow it to be an actual defensive and allow havoc to get an actually defensive as well instead of weak ass blur

Make it void themed, give us void elf demon hunters, allows the eternal havoc mover debate to end restored the lost early legion play style and even allows havoc to have a functional tree and be freed from 36 button opener

[The-Shan]

New DH spec is doubtful unfortunately. Thanks to Hero talents, a new DH spec would require them to completely overhaul the existing 2 DH hero talents.

I don't see why that couldn't be done, its not unreasonable for them to redo the current hero specs between expansions. Not only that, but I'm sure to add a new spec, they'd be more than willing to design 2 more.

[Sondrelk]

New official poll on TWW S3. Which new dungeons will be added to the roster.
Guess they are intent on not doing a S4 with only the existing dungeons like what DF had. If I were to guess, probably because of Floodgate being one that logically should have been available despite the roster of dungeons then being 9 instead of 8.

Seems a bit early to be talking about the next major patch. But I guess the developers have started working on 11.2 properly already. So they probably want to know in advance what dungeons need extra tuning. And whether the dungeons will be lacking rings or necks or whatever.

[Dracullus]

New official poll on TWW S3. Which new dungeons will be added to the roster.
Guess they are intent on not doing a S4 with only the existing dungeons like what DF had. If I were to guess, probably because of Floodgate being one that logically should have been available despite the roster of dungeons then being 9 instead of 8.

Seems a bit early to be talking about the next major patch. But I guess the developers have started working on 11.2 properly already. So they probably want to know in advance what dungeons need extra tuning. And whether the dungeons will be lacking rings or necks or whatever.

Probably this is moment they start working on next M+, they just usually don't ask community. Of course they already work on 11.2, if making X.X would take same time as X.X.5/7, we wouldn't have minor patches at all.

And as I said in news thread, I don't like concept of playing same dungeon 2 full season when we have superior system. In Midnight they should go with 4+3+3 system (assuming we will have 10 dungeons like with every expac since SL).

[Sondrelk]

Probably this is moment they start working on next M+, they just usually don't ask community. Of course they already work on 11.2, if making X.X would take same time as X.X.5/7, we wouldn't have minor patches at all.

And as I said in news thread, I don't like concept of playing same dungeon 2 full season when we have superior system. In Midnight they should go with 4+3+3 system (assuming we will have 10 dungeons like with every expac since SL).

I want to agree on the 4-3-3 lineup. But I know that players would throw one of their usual bitchfits when they have to wait a year to play whatever dungeon. There is already constant complaints that the first season isnt all 8 new dungeons. So just imagine if you have to wait even longer.

[Tiradon]

New official poll on TWW S3. Which new dungeons will be added to the roster.
Guess they are intent on not doing a S4 with only the existing dungeons like what DF had. If I were to guess, probably because of Floodgate being one that logically should have been available despite the roster of dungeons then being 9 instead of 8.

Seems a bit early to be talking about the next major patch. But I guess the developers have started working on 11.2 properly already. So they probably want to know in advance what dungeons need extra tuning. And whether the dungeons will be lacking rings or necks or whatever.

I’m curious to see what happens if no S4 then.. Options:

A) Faster Midnight release (unlikely?)
B) something new in between?

I do need them to announce Major Patch, as my raiding team is already considering not subbing past April.

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I want to agree on the 4-3-3 lineup. But I know that players would throw one of their usual bitchfits when they have to wait a year to play whatever dungeon. There is already constant complaints that the first season isnt all 8 new dungeons. So just imagine if you have to wait even longer.

They barely can balance existing dungeons as is like we saw in TWW S1 and now S2….

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Probably this is moment they start working on next M+, they just usually don't ask community. Of course they already work on 11.2, if making X.X would take same time as X.X.5/7, we wouldn't have minor patches at all.

And as I said in news thread, I don't like concept of playing same dungeon 2 full season when we have superior system. In Midnight they should go with 4+3+3 system (assuming we will have 10 dungeons like with every expac since SL).

I’m certain they must have started before but are trying to discuss with the community and try to get feedback which is fine honestly.

Pretty sure most of 11.2 is in final states as the team prepares to move to support the next set of patches in Midnight.

They are still doing A) & B) team for expats and patches right? They also got C) team which is working on plunder I guess

[Dracullus]

I want to agree on the 4-3-3 lineup. But I know that players would throw one of their usual bitchfits when they have to wait a year to play whatever dungeon. There is already constant complaints that the first season isnt all 8 new dungeons. So just imagine if you have to wait even longer.

Yeah, hard to disagree with that. Potential X.1 would have to be included in S2 too because of theme. Guess megadungeon in X.1.5 is better way after all,

I can think of another way though. That will also cause some backlash, but they could just launch 4 dungeons in X.0. That would be similar to raid situation, first we had huge first tier, then they split it, then wasted time testing Nighthold twice (in Beta and 7.1.5 PTR), then in BfA they learned to introduce stuff to PTR when it's relevant.

They would have only communicate that Midnight will have 10 dungeons total anyway. Of course people that straight up lie to bash WoW would have a feast.

Hell, it could be even positive thing, they could add hard versions (megadungeon style) in every patch until X.2, not only it would make small ones more interesting but also test them before they enter seasonal pool.

I’m curious to see what happens if no S4 then.. Options:

A) Faster Midnight release (unlikely?)
B) something new in between?

No 11.2.6, no real need for even shorter S4. Judging from 8 weeks average between patches (that Blizzard fulfill religiously) we can point S3 on August, MD prepatch on February and launch on March.

[Limayria]

I’m curious to see what happens if no S4 then.. Options:

A) Faster Midnight release (unlikely?)
B) something new in between?

I do need them to announce Major Patch, as my raiding team is already considering not subbing past April.

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They barely can balance existing dungeons as is like we saw in TWW S1 and now S2….

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I’m certain they must have started before but are trying to discuss with the community and try to get feedback which is fine honestly.

Pretty sure most of 11.2 is in final states as the team prepares to move to support the next set of patches in Midnight.

They are still doing A) & B) team for expats and patches right? They also got C) team which is working on plunder I guess

C team is the proletariat studio they bought, and theyre doing housing