Midnight 12.X Patches & World Soul Saga Speculation Thread

[Nightshade711]

Yeah I am on team no Season 4 for the WSS.

They have been consistently delivering content since DF. They are doing fine.

Who would play Season 4 when we will have Legion Remix? It would be better to have a slightly longer Season 3, if needed.

I think that Midnight will be released in January 2026, but IMO it is not completely out of the picture that they would be able to release it in December.

I cannot remember the last time in which I had a really bad experience in an expansion or patch launch. Probably BfA. So they should be good.

I don’t think there is going to be a season 4 either tbh. At the start of the xpac on the PvP side there’s only been 3 datamined seasons worth of items. (Nerubian themed, Undermine/Goblin themed, and Void/Ethereal themed)

I also think the PvP pennants only have 3 seasons too but I’ll have to check.

[Joshuaj]

That doesn't matter, really. As long as the voidy prophecy she speaks of says that one Old God was always meant to remain, then that tells us that this is the Void's goal on Azeroth. That's how they "win".

So if it wasn't N'Zoth, logically it's somebody else.

Besides, she didn't specifically say N'Zoth. It is implied, but she simply falls silent, stopping herself mid sentence. This implies that she could have left out more names.

If the Void wins, we're dead.

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Prophecies mean fuck all in a lot of instances. Thought we went over this, y'all!

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I've been thinking. I don't think I want a Disorder based saga. I think a Disorder based expansion will do just fine. Maybe as a thing for the next saga, but that's it.

[Ereb]

If they are asking for dungeons for S3 I don't think that means no S4. S4 would still be the "all the expansion dungeons" season.

S4 takes so little work that there's no reason not to do it, especially in this expansion where people like 2/3 of the raids so far.

They have already stated there wont be a 'fated' season this expansion, haven't they?

[Nymrohd]

They have already stated there wont be a 'fated' season this expansion, haven't they?

Can you find a link? I don't think they have but if you can find a quote

[Joshuaj]

Prophecies in WoW is Blizzard's way of telling us what's going to happen down the line.

Like Illidan being the child of Light and Shadow, and being shown as a champion of the Light? Please...

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One Old God was meant to remain. It's been slain.

The Void is not winning. Simple as that.

[Cheezits]

Prophecies in WoW is Blizzard's way of telling us what's going to happen down the line.

I think some of them are just spitballing general ideas like the Crown of Light involving an antagonistic Light King figure. It could've been planned to be Turalyon before being shifted over to the Arathi, for example.

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Like Illidan being the child of Light and Shadow, and being shown as a champion of the Light? Please...

I mean that prophecy still may happen because Arator exists and will likely be a big character in Renilash/Midnight. Considering Alleria and Turalyon appear in Legion, and Alleria becomes Void for the first time there, it likely was designed to be a red herring from the start.

Xe'ra just got it wrong.

[Joshuaj]

I think some of them are just spitballing general ideas like the Crown of Light involving an antagonistic Light King figure. It could've been planned to be Turalyon before being shifted over to the Arathi, for example.

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I mean that prophecy still may happen because Arator exists and will likely be a big character in Renilash/Midnight. Considering Alleria and Turalyon appear in Legion, and Alleria becomes Void for the first time there, it likely was designed to be a red herring from the start.

Xe'ra just got it wrong.

Then the prophecy is wrong lol. The events might still occur, but definitely not in the way the Light saw it.

The same way the Void can still seek to claim Azeroth and whatnot, but their prophecy of it being from an Old God is wrong.

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Neither force can see destiny fully. The Light might see us facing off against a Void Lord, but the specifics of it all aren't totally absolute.

The Void might see a case where they do claim Azeroth, but again, the specifics aren't absolute and things are always subject to change.

[Polybius]

Reading the posts Ulatek never even crossed my mind as an antagonist. Makes sense considering the worship and how the trolls are making a return. It would explain and tie things like the Corrupted Blood (Hakkar) and the Ancient One (not canonized yet).

[Joshuaj]

Reading the posts Ulatek never even crossed my mind as an antagonist. Makes sense considering the worship and how the trolls are making a return. It would explain and tie things like the Corrupted Blood (Hakkar) and the Ancient One (not canonized yet).

Depends on if she ever becomes canon, of course. If she does become canon, she might end up being different from everything else prior.

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You are an tad overconfident.

Overconfident? How is this OVERconfidence?

[Therougetitan]

Reading the posts Ulatek never even crossed my mind as an antagonist. Makes sense considering the worship and how the trolls are making a return. It would explain and tie things like the Corrupted Blood (Hakkar) and the Ancient One (not canonized yet).

Ulatek will likely remain non-canon and it will instead be Kith'ix the faceless one that started the Troll Wars thousands of years ago after Xal'atath manipulated a troll to awaken him. He was killed where they build Zul'aman and if he is anything like Zakazj then he is already regenerating.

[Nymrohd]

Ulatek will likely remain non-canon and it will instead be Kith'ix the faceless one that started the Troll Wars thousands of years ago after Xal'atath manipulated a troll to awaken him. He was killed where they build Zul'aman and if he is anything like Zakazj then he is already regenerating.

The thing is Ula'tek's story was already used in BfA; Sethraliss was a Serpent Loa who sacrificed herself to defeat a C'thraxx. They could reuse it of course.

[Khaza-R]

Honestly I think having another C'Thraxxi under a ziggeraut awakening and trying to destroy Zul'Aman would be way too similar to the Zandalari story and frankly just boring.

I doubt Ula-tek will be made canon but it would be cool to see her implemented to help give Hakkar a better back story. Maybe her and some loa did the deed and birthed Hakkar. Sort of like an unholy version of Cenarius

[Joshuaj]

Honestly I think having another C'Thraxxi under a ziggeraut awakening and trying to destroy Zul'Aman would be way too similar to the Zandalari story and frankly just boring.

I doubt Ula-tek will be made canon but it would be cool to see her implemented to help give Hakkar a better back story. Maybe her and some loa did the deed and birthed Hakkar. Sort of like an unholy version of Cenarius

I like the idea that she's not some Old God, but is instead some very powerful Loa located within the Gardens of Life.

[Joshuaj]

From the phrase "The Old Gods are dead"

[Cheezits]

Remember when Shadra and Hireek died and then came back an expansion later? Yeah. The old gods besides Nzoth will probably not bother Azeroth again, but they are just regenerating. I think the devs hinted as much.

[Joshuaj]

At best, their essences are in the Void. At worst, they're gone gone.

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Remember when Shadra and Hireek died and then came back an expansion later? Yeah. The old gods besides Nzoth will probably not bother Azeroth again, but they are just regenerating. I think the devs hinted as much.

They're magical beings. Unless killed in their realm or so, they can always just return to the physical realm. I imagine this applies to Old Gods and Naaru as well.

[Nymrohd]

Btw I hope they bring back A'lar for Midnight. Random, but I want a proper fire phoenix mount.

[Cheezits]

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Looks like they are offscreening resolutions to the Nerubian plot: Ytheki broke control from Xal.

I now fully think they are ditching Orweyna lol.

[Joshuaj]

Speaking of the Light, do y'all think Prime Naaru like Xe'ra are echoes of greater beings at all? Because I'm really starting to believe Void Lords like Dimensius and Prime Naaru such as Xe'ra did similar things when manifesting in the Beyond.

For example: Dimensius managed to manifest in the Dark Beyond, but it manifested as an echo of its true power, and it + the other Void Lords needed to use the Old Gods to properly spread their influences (Tho, Dimensius was a lot more direct in many instances as well).

Meanwhile, I believe the lords of Light worked with other powers (such as Elune) to create smaller host bodies so they could manifest in the physical universe. Xe'ra, the Light Mother, would be among the first to take on this form, thus manifesting as a Prime Naaru within the Universe.

"But Xe'ra is dead. Why would she be a higher Light entity?" And Dimensius was said to be dead in TBC, yet we know damn well that's a lie.

Imagine if Midnight ends with us facing Dimensius, and we end up learning that the Prime Naaru are but fractions of greater light entities. This would then lead to Xe'ra showcasing her true power, and using that against the All-Devouring. A proper clash between Light and Shadow.

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Possible scenarios (out of a number you could think of, with an open mind):

A. They're not dead at all, and Blizzard outright lied, misspoke, hadn't thought of what to do with them yet, or just wanted to put a stop to the endless questions about them.

B. They're "dead" but not really "dead". Their essences still permeat the land and they can regenerate whenever, be brought back by cultists, etc. Like the surviving Titan souls.

C. They're pretending to be dead, and Blizzard is in on it. For example we might've "killed" N'Zoth in a vision and officially he's "dead" until it's time to reveal the big secret.

D. They were always "dead", as in not alive, outside the cycle.

And so on...

Doesn't Xal'atath state they're dead as well? or?

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Btw I hope they bring back A'lar for Midnight. Random, but I want a proper fire phoenix mount.

More fire phoenix's would be sick ngl

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Btw, I hate that whole "outside the cycle" shit. Every magical being exists outside the mortal rules of life and death.

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So, think of it like this

Void Lords- Can't properly manifest in the Universe, relies on creating physical entities of their power known as the Old Gods. The most powerful Void Lords CAN manifest, but as extremely faint echoes of their true selves.

Light: Can't manifest fully in the universe, so they rely on placing a portion of themselves within smaller host bodies. The most powerful among these entities, Xe'ra the Light Mother, would place themselves in one of these bodies, and manifest as one of the first Naaru in the Dark Beyond.

One creates separate physical manifestions, the other makes physical manifestations using themselves.

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Or at least, I hope this is the case. The Naaru suck ass rn, and I think someone like Xe'ra shouldn't be wasted on narratively. Just say the Xe'ra we saw was an echo of its true power, and have Midnight's climax focus on Xe'ra Vs Dimensius. Light Mother Vs All-Devouring.

[Foreign Exchange Ztudent]

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Looks like they are offscreening resolutions to the Nerubian plot: Ytheki broke control from Xal.

I now fully think they are ditching Orweyna lol.

I'm ngl I am really tired of this thing continually happening at this point. What even was the point of having her in the second Cinematic for the expansion.

Obviously, I wonder what the original plan was for this expansion now and honestly even if I am happier with the outcome of the McGuffin leading us to Undermine and K'aresh instead. Its still just worrying that they can't seemingly not have scatterbrain and just execute on a plan for one damn expansion.

They really need to not have this obvious thing in the middle of expansion for Midnight where people start to ask if they pivoted (well pivot patches are a different issue.. But this whole entire story pivots from concept to something else is getting a bit nonsensical at this point.)