Midnight 12.X Patches & World Soul Saga Speculation Thread

[Xilurm]

Hard to tell how much they are trying to prove a point when they killed his character.

He would've died regardless if he was voiced or not.

The point I meant that they're trying to prove is that they are committed to retaining the good will they've been building up lately. Replacing him when he's striking for a cause that affects all voice actors would be a shitty move.

[Lady Atia]

Have you done the Undermine campaign? Its jarring as hell to have characters talking and then there's just silence when Reznik is supposed to have his lines.

Na, I was joking because he literally is a no name character without importance besides the "his death sparks the rebellion" bit that literally could have happened with any other goblin there.

[Cheezits]

Beledar could be a "nuke" that the Light installed inside Azeroth so if something bad happens to the worldsoul the Light can purify it/control it.

The Titans could be lying about it as there seems to be some kind of deal between Titans and Light. Maybe that is part of the deal: if the Titans fail, the Light can have Azeroth.

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Also gonna take a stab at guessing the contents of next patch:

Zone: Karesh,
-One zone that is either part biodome and part world wreckage, or one large biodome
-Lots of sand, old Karesh architecture, desert themed creatures like winged croc, may be suspiciously similar to Tazavesh for lore hint.
(or brokers outright appear and we get lore for them)
-Protectorate zone rep, or specifically the caretakers of the biodome

Raid: Worldcore... but Karesh
-Azir is using the Dark Heart to do something to Karesh's broken core. Xal is chasing him there and we need to get it back from both of them. Xal as the final boss who beats us in some way.
-goes through ruins of Karesh capital down into the shattered core: "This is what will happen to Azeroth if we fail"
-Some kind of sympathetic void ethereum is the raid rep (Nexus-Princess?)

Dungeon: Corrupted biodome full of void/black blood? somehow?
OR: Beledar

The zone storyline will be more or less recruiting these ethereals to be playable for launch 12.0.

[Khaza-R]

I think K'aresh's worldsoul is likely gone.

My theory is that K'aresh's worldsoul was corrupted by black blood in a very similar manner that Xal'atath is trying to do on Azeroth. Since the blackblood exposes things in the physical world to the shadow realm, the Voidlords or Dimensius at least was able to feed on the worldsoul without the people of K'aresh even being aware to what was going on. Until it was too late and they met their cataclysmic end. What was left behind was tear in the physical universe exposing it to the Umbral Veil

So for 11.2, I forsee Alleria finally comparing notes with Locus Walker. Him giving us some insight on Azir. Probably of sense of immediacy to travel there.

Whatever happens in 11.2 it seems likely that Xal'atath will succeed. The awakening happens (whatever that means) and then the full Void invasion occurs

[Nightshade711]

Since the blackblood exposes things in the physical world to the shadow realm, the Voidlords or Dimensius at least was able to feed on the worldsoul without the people of K'aresh even being aware to what was going on. Until it was too late and they met their cataclysmic end. What was left behind was tear in the physical universe exposing it to the Umbral Veil

I’m also expecting a reveal in a similar vein to this with Telogrus actually being revealed to be a fragment of K’aresh. Given what (little) we know of Telogrus & now the lore for K’aresh having a world soul it’ll fit.

Part of me though is expecting Blizzard to pull an Argus but we’d fight a very young void-corrupted titan instead of a death one.

[Sondrelk]

Na, I was joking because he literally is a no name character without importance besides the "his death sparks the rebellion" bit that literally could have happened with any other goblin there.

Alternatively. He is one of the iconic names goblins from Classic. And additionally the only one that isnt a Trade Prince or similar. So it's easier to paint him as the working man caught up in the machinations of Undercity.

Also it gives the Alliance a named character that is important to the lore, so that it isnt just the Bilgewater Horde show the entire way through. What with Gazlowe and his Horde aligned goblins fighting former Goblin faction leader Gallywix.

[Cheezits]

Opening up Bilgewater as a neutral cartel kind of cheapens the feeling of their original gimmick being "Goblins loyal to the Horde". IMO the 4th should've been Darkfuse/Blackfuse. Or Area 52/BOOM turned into a cartel.

I wonder if BOOM coming back was an early idea as it would explain why the neutral goblins have a purple gimmick (or it's a Red + Blue joke). They would also bridge very well to K'aresh and the Ethereals.

[Limayria]

Opening up Bilgewater as a neutral cartel kind of cheapens the feeling of their original gimmick being "Goblins loyal to the Horde". IMO the 4th should've been Darkfuse/Blackfuse. Or Area 52/BOOM turned into a cartel.

I wonder if BOOM coming back was an early idea as it would explain why the neutral goblins have a purple gimmick (or it's a Red + Blue joke). They would also bridge very well to K'aresh and the Ethereals.

the horde and alliance should offically be disbanded tbh, Arator lives in silvermoon for fucks sake, the son of TWO alliance faction leaders lives in a "horde" city

[Pyrophax]

I’m also expecting a reveal in a similar vein to this with Telogrus actually being revealed to be a fragment of K’aresh. Given what (little) we know of Telogrus & now the lore for K’aresh having a world soul it’ll fit.

Part of me though is expecting Blizzard to pull an Argus but we’d fight a very young void-corrupted titan instead of a death one.

Isn't Telogrus was Void-infused titan that Sargeras cut in Chronicles?
That one?

[Nightshade711]

Isn't Telogrus was Void-infused titan that Sargeras cut in Chronicles?
That one?

Unconfirmed. Telogrus’ history is fairly vague. The old theory is that it was that planet.

[Alanar]

the horde and alliance should offically be disbanded tbh, Arator lives in silvermoon for fucks sake, the son of TWO alliance faction leaders lives in a "horde" city

Rlx there my guy.

[Cheezits]

the horde and alliance should offically be disbanded tbh, Arator lives in silvermoon for fucks sake, the son of TWO alliance faction leaders lives in a "horde" city

I mean Silvermoon will probably become neutral in Midnight as there are two wandering bands of exiles (Helf, Velf) that want back in.

[Joshuaj]

Unconfirmed. Telogrus’ history is fairly vague. The old theory is that it was that planet.

It's still a common theory. Heck, it's definitely my theory.

[Mackud]

I think Dimensius is K’aresh Worldsoul, just twisted by Void powers. Or aligned with it from the start, just like Amanthul with Order powers and Eonar with Life (my tinfoil hat theory)

It's impossible because K'aresh existed before Dimensius so the timeline doesn't make sense with each other.

There's plausible speculation that the guy at the cinematic was infact the Avatar of the destroyed World Soul, because it's well established K'aresh has more than 1 moon and the camera did show someone looking at the planetary dust, as in looking from the outside.

My only problem with that it's literally a copy/paste of the FF14 story. I don't want any moons involved, anyone who's played FF14 has had enough of that.

[Ersula]

the horde and alliance should offically be disbanded tbh, Arator lives in silvermoon for fucks sake, the son of TWO alliance faction leaders lives in a "horde" city

That would make sense, but I guess the closest analog is Nato. Right now it's like BFA because of Ukraine but the decades before Russia invaded is like the peacetime we currently enjoy in game.

[Limayria]

That would make sense, but I guess the closest analog is Nato. Right now it's like BFA because of Ukraine but the decades before Russia invaded is like the peacetime we currently enjoy in game.

But the horde literally did an attempted genocide (nelves) against an alliance race 5 in game years ago, and another genocide (Draenei) against another alliance race like 35? Years ago and that's just the ones people knew about considering the lich King was nerzhul the orcs were also partially responsible for a third genocide and forth genocide in living memory against two members of the horde

The current faction dynamic is so nonsensical and the largest contribution it's had to the game as a whole is preventing there from being any meaningful closure for a lot of groups who've been wronged by the orcs

[Etmir]

That would make sense, but I guess the closest analog is Nato. Right now it's like BFA because of Ukraine but the decades before Russia invaded is like the peacetime we currently enjoy in game.

There is no point in dragging current politics here, especially if you only listen to pro-Ukrainian Western media; in reality, the situation with Ukraine is much more interesting. However, let's finish talking about politics.

[Ersula]

There is no point in dragging current politics here, especially if you only listen to pro-Ukrainian Western media; in reality, the situation with Ukraine is much more interesting. However, let's finish talking about politics.

I don't think its political in the way you mean. Nato is one alliance of countries, CSTO is another alliance & Nato's primary opposition. Sometimes they are at war and sometimes they aren't. The Horde & Alliance is in the same situation.

But the horde literally did an attempted genocide (nelves) against an alliance race 5 in game years ago, and another genocide (Draenei) against another alliance race like 35? Years ago and that's just the ones people knew about considering the lich King was nerzhul the orcs were also partially responsible for a third genocide and forth genocide in living memory against two members of the horde

The current faction dynamic is so nonsensical and the largest contribution it's had to the game as a whole is preventing there from being any meaningful closure for a lot of groups who've been wronged by the orcs

Irrelevant. You were asking why an alliance of nations would exist when they are at peace & I gave Nato/CSTO as an example as they were sepatate alliances made in reaction to each other but were at peace for many years. Then one country invaded a country in the opposing alliance, starting a war. This is an analog to what happened in BFA. I'm just describing world history without any connotations of morality or justification.

[Khaza-R]

I don't really see Bilgewater being friendly to the Alliance in Undermine as some big change. Basically they were willing to accept their help in the revolution and that's it.

Its about the same as practically all the ARs were both factions helped them in Legion and BfA but they decided to give one faction the finger for reasons.

[Nightshade711]

Goblins should be neutral now tbh. Doesn’t make sense anymore to keep them restricted to the horde given the story in Undermined