Midnight 12.X Patches & World Soul Saga Speculation Thread

[Hitei]

The thread can be tiring at times with its infinite rehashing of the same discussion topics, but at the end of the day I'm still having fun speculating (and datamining, albeit more privately now). Until that is no longer the case or death gets his hands on me or this website, I'll stick around.

Speaking of datamining, when do you think we're likely to get a real look at stuff like furniture listings? Housing is presumably in the back half of 11.2 (e.g. 11.2.7 or 11.2.9 or something), so it's not inconceivable that the 11.2 initial builds might have some of the background structure for it, right?

I'm curious how much of the old auto-converted doodad stuff will be in the first release, if we'll just immediately have thousands of options or if they'll slowly parse out the older stuff to ensure each subsequent patch has a large amount of added housing content.

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Oh god, imagine having to wait like six years for that one specific Pandaren rug or Ardenweald table you want to get added.

[shooketh]

It helps that WoW is in a sort of second-renaissance period where the community is happy and the game is getting better. BFA/SL/DF was a slog just to talk about, even if you still liked datamining/speculation.

Still heartbroken we didn't get a lil Nya'lotha zone, lots of debate on that one pre reveal.

Gotta keep their feet to the flame

[Marlamin]

Speaking of datamining, when do you think we're likely to get a real look at stuff like furniture listings? Housing is presumable in the back half of 11.2 (e.g. 11.2.7 or 11.2.9 or something), so it's not inconceivable that the 11.2 initial builds might have some of the background structure for it, right?

I'm curious how much of the old auto-converted doodad stuff will be in the first release, if we'll just immediately have thousands of options or if they'll slowly parse out the older stuff to ensure each subsequent patch has a large amount of added housing content.

Great question! No idea at all. 11.2 having some of the tech on board is a possibility depending on how far along they are (maybe we'll find out today?) and depending on when they want to launch it. It being 'pre-Midnight' could also just be Midnight pre-patch being super early. However, coming to think of it, some of the textures appearing in 11.1.7 could indicate that they're working on player housing on the 11.x branch. Could still be 11.2.5 or 11.2.7 until DB2s show up though. Hmm!

[Nize]

Thanks! So we were aware that something was coming.

Hmmm, probably no 11.2 today then.

To add to your thoughts, an announcement like 11.2 wouldn't really require other content creators to come by and test. The fact that they invited all these people would be more so for a new community feature.

[Marlamin]

To add to your thoughts, an announcement like 11.2 wouldn't really require other content creators to come by and test. The fact that they invited all these people would be more so for a new community feature.

Someone made the point earlier, but 11.2 would also probably be teased a bit more beforehand.

Then again, so would a Warcraft Direct for housing, so maybe something that big is not on the table either.

EDIT: Taliesin's video is premiering at top of the hour anyways apparently. YouTube's autogenerated tags are interesting (nice find, Chelf).

[Joshuaj]

I think what Preach said about them organizing it because everyone was in town anyways is key here, but I could very well be misinterpreting that. Just a gut feeling that that is what that meant.

I legit just think it has something to do with the new horror mode coming.

[Cheezits]

I legit just think it has something to do with the new horror mode coming.

It's way too early for that I think, they didn't even tease it on the road map like they did Legion Remix/Early Access Housing.

[Cheezits]

I think the only way I could be disappointed is if it's JUST interior housing videos with all the props we have seen. There's gotta be something new.

[Hitei]

Housing has me pleasantly optimistic as someone who previously considered it a poor allocation of dev resources. The freedom of the system shown so far and the reusage of older doodads really turned my opinion around. There's so many nice looking old assets.

https://artstation.com/jordtron5000
https://www.artstation.com/ashdoodles
https://www.artstation.com/lizabeth

[Nize]

I think the only way I could be disappointed is if it's JUST interior housing videos with all the props we have seen. There's gotta be something new.

They haven't really gone too deep into neighborhoods with so that's where my guess is.

[milkmustache]

EDIT: Taliesin's video is premiering at top of the hour anyways apparently. YouTube's autogenerated tags are interesting (nice find, Chelf).

Yup, saw someone else look through and find these as well. I'm guessing Neighborhood and revamped Elwynn & Durotar reveal.

Will be fun, but god all I want is 11.2 lol

[Hitei]

Great question! No idea at all. 11.2 having some of the tech on board is a possibility depending on how far along they are (maybe we'll find out today?) and depending on when they want to launch it. It being 'pre-Midnight' could also just be Midnight pre-patch being super early. However, coming to think of it, some of the textures appearing in 11.1.7 could indicate that they're working on player housing on the 11.x branch. Could still be 11.2.5 or 11.2.7 until DB2s show up though. Hmm!

I am realllllllly keen to get my hands on that furniture.db2. I wonder how long it will take MMO-C and Wowhead to organize full galleries of the available objects.

[Zardas]

I still don't understand why some people want Karesh for 11.2 instead of Midnight.

[Marlamin]

I am realllllllly keen to get my hands on that furniture.db2. I wonder how long it will take MMO-C and Wowhead to organize full galleries of the available objects.

I'm sure Wowhead will have a tool ready to go shortly after the data comes out.

[Hitei]

I still don't understand why some people want Karesh for 11.2 instead of Midnight.

I think they're mostly thinking short-term, where it sounds a lot more exciting for the final patch of TWW to be K'aresh than Rootlands/The Cradle/the core, etc.

[Cheezits]

I still don't understand why some people want Karesh for 11.2 instead of Midnight.

Personally because I would prefer Midnight to entirely, or mostly, take place on Azeroth. Also because the alternatives for 11.2 in TWW itself are not of interest to me (Rootlands and/or Beledar)

[Darkarath]

I still don't understand why some people want Karesh for 11.2 instead of Midnight.

Just one reason of many: K'aresh in 11.2 opens up the possibility for more revamped old zones in Midnight.

[Dvalin]

I still don't understand why some people want Karesh for 11.2 instead of Midnight.

It's quite interesting if we don't see it as some kind of Argus 2.0 (it being a stronghold of the Void, the headquarters of Dimensius, you name it). It could function a bit differently for the plot of TWW.

Though it begs the question which kind of areas will be left for Midnight's patches. As the Worldcore could always be visited during TLT.

[Sondrelk]

Just one reason of many: K'aresh in 11.2 opens up the possibility for more revamped old zones in Midnight.

How though? K'aresh as a launch zone for Midnight was a fringe theory at best. The only real argument for it was that Ethereals could be a new race, and that they would have a starting zone on K'aresh. But there really isnt anything that states it definitely has to happen that way. Neither K'aresh as a starting zone, or for that matter that it can't be a tiny bit of K'aresh that we see more of when we return.

[milkmustache]

I think they're mostly thinking short-term, where it sounds a lot more exciting for the final patch of TWW to be K'aresh than Rootlands/The Cradle/the core, etc.

I would argue the core is far more suited for The Last Titan.