Midnight 12.X Patches & World Soul Saga Speculation Thread

[KOUNTERPARTS]

Sir, aren't the quotation marks visible enough for you? By marry I mean that she'll probably make a pact with him in some way, as she did with N'Zoth. It was an original approach. And then coming from Azshara... anything's possible. Let me add that we don't know much about Dimensius either.

You could have just said that then, instead of using the word you used.

[Enteroctopus Magnificus]

You could have just said that then, instead of using the word you used.

Who are you ?

[Eldryth]

I hope Azshara doesn't die in Midnight, WoW's story team has a tendency to kill off the coolest characters and only keep the bland ones. Will she “marry” Dimensius?

I can accept Azshara dying if she's the main antagonist of an expansion and they finally do her justice first. If that's her role in Midnight, great, otherwise it'd be far better to have her not be a boss at all, and set her up as a post-Saga villain.

Having her as a mid-expansion boss was a huge waste the first time, and it'd be even worse after her BFA character arc made it absurd for her to serve the Void again. She hated serving N'Zoth, planned from the start to betray and kill him, and ended the expansion seeking power for herself. She may use the Void, but it'd be completely out of character for her to serve it.

[Enteroctopus Magnificus]

Warcraft started with a certain identity and brutal themes, embrace them. Yes, there are cases of genocide. Yes, there is racism. Yes, there is hatred. Don't shy away from them. Don't tell me how bad they are, I already know that. Stop preaching. Instead, tell compelling stories and flesh out the world and characters that makes us care again.

No, instead you're going to eat the power of friendship and you're going to love it.

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I can accept Azshara dying if she's the main antagonist of an expansion and they finally do her justice first.

I doubt it's in their vocabulary to be honest. When was the last time a badass villain was killed in a way that gave him "justice"? I pray she doesn't end up as a boss at all.

[Makabreska]

Azshara as a boss is done. They wont put her in that place again, especially not as a final expansion boss.

[Joshuaj]

Sir, aren't the quotation marks visible enough for you? By marry I mean that she'll probably make a pact with him in some way, as she did with N'Zoth. It was an original approach. And then coming from Azshara... anything's possible. Let me add that we don't know much about Dimensius either.

Why not say she made a pact with Dimensius or summ then? Were ya just making a joke cause she wanted to marry Sargeras back in the WoTA or summ? Cause if so, my fault, the joke kinda went over my head the first time.

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Azshara as a boss is done. They wont put her in that place again, especially not as a final expansion boss.

I mean, I wouldn't mind facing her right before whooping Dimensius

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I can accept Azshara dying if she's the main antagonist of an expansion and they finally do her justice first. If that's her role in Midnight, great, otherwise it'd be far better to have her not be a boss at all, and set her up as a post-Saga villain.

Having her as a mid-expansion boss was a huge waste the first time, and it'd be even worse after her BFA character arc made it absurd for her to serve the Void again. She hated serving N'Zoth, planned from the start to betray and kill him, and ended the expansion seeking power for herself. She may use the Void, but it'd be completely out of character for her to serve it.

Nah. She shouldn't be the main villain of Midnight. Lemme fight Dimensius proper.

[Dracullus]

Azshara as a boss is done. They wont put her in that place again, especially not as a final expansion boss.

Well, she was used as raid final boss, but there is always spot for dungeon.. or boss delve .

[shooketh]

Well, she was used as raid final boss, but there is always spot for dungeon.. or boss delve .

Please no. Nothing worse than wasting a good character with potential in a dungeon (hello Devos)

Unrelated, but for some reason people keep reporting me for trolling. Very strange.

[Eldryth]

Azshara as a boss is done. They wont put her in that place again, especially not as a final expansion boss.

No, her story was clearly continuing in a way that still made her a major villain. BFA ended with her planning to claim "the true throne of power", whatever that is, and the Naga missive that outlined the whole Saga so far ended with her returning "to reign over sea and sky and earth" after Xal'atath carried out her plans (and it also predicted the Dark Heart being broken and stolen, so they're clearly not just following Xal'atath). Everything points to her pulling a massive power play, possibly hijacking the Void's plans.

And her being a minion again would be completely out of character, unless, like when she first joined the Old Gods, it's a desperate move she makes after her plans fail. And even that seems implausible now after she hated serving N'Zoth so much, plotted his downfall, and got tortured by his minions. Maybe she could pretend to serve Dimensius, but betray him and take over mid-expansion (making him the mid-expansion boss and the more iconic and developed Azshara as the real villain), but she's too narcissistic to actually be loyal and die for him.

Above all else, Azshara is a proud, narcissistic schemer. She should have the same level of unapologetic conviction that Garrosh showed all the way up to his permanent death in Shadowlands, but with far more cunning.


She wouldn't be the first raid endboss to make this kind of comeback either. Archimonde was an end boss in BC and the final boss of WoD, and Kil'Jaedan was BC's final boss and a more important end boss in Legion.

[Gurahk]

Azshara as a boss is done. They wont put her in that place again, especially not as a final expansion boss.

Kil'jaeden has been the final boss of an expansion and also the final boss of Tomb of Sargeras.

[Dracullus]

To be more serious, I don't think we need to utilize Azshara in this Saga. We have plenty characters with potential who just hang without purpose (Thrall, Jaina) and in future we still have Void Lords (unless it's just Dimensius), Sylvanas (I know, I know, but Metzen has opportunity to make something more interesting with her), Illidan, Tyr, Iridikron and Titans (including Sargeras). So cast is packed, it's up for Metzen to use them to full potential.

[Limayria]

No, her story was clearly continuing in a way that still made her a major villain. BFA ended with her planning to claim "the true throne of power", whatever that is, and the Naga missive that outlined the whole Saga so far ended with her returning "to reign over sea and sky and earth" after Xal'atath carried out her plans (and it also predicted the Dark Heart being broken and stolen, so they're clearly not just following Xal'atath). Everything points to her pulling a massive power play, possibly hijacking the Void's plans.

And her being a minion again would be completely out of character, unless, like when she first joined the Old Gods, it's a desperate move she makes after her plans fail. And even that seems implausible now after she hated serving N'Zoth so much, plotted his downfall, and got tortured by his minions. Maybe she could pretend to serve Dimensius, but betray him and take over mid-expansion (making him the mid-expansion boss and the more iconic and developed Azshara as the real villain), but she's too narcissistic to actually be loyal and die for him.

Above all else, Azshara is a proud, narcissistic schemer. She should have the same level of unapologetic conviction that Garrosh showed all the way up to his permanent death in Shadowlands, but with far more cunning.


She wouldn't be the first raid endboss to make this kind of comeback either. Archimonde was an end boss in BC and the final boss of WoD, and Kil'Jaedan was BC's final boss and a more important end boss in Legion.

that would also be an interesting parallel between Azshara and the Eredar boys, both being mortal races from a world soul planet who betrayed their people for power at the hands of the legion, and both showing up twice as final bosses

I persoanlly love when games weave the gameplay and writing together like that

I also wouldn't mind seeing Azshara fighting against the Arathi and having us go into the expansion unclear who were gonna support in the conflict with the potentail for Azshara to reach "uneasy alliance" status with the champions of azeorth somewhat similar to how the vanilla forsaken were

To be more serious, I don't think we need to utilize Azshara in this Saga. We have plenty characters with potential who just hang without purpose (Thrall, Jaina) and in future we still have Void Lords (unless it's just Dimensius), Sylvanas (I know, I know, but Metzen has opportunity to make something more interesting with her), Illidan, Tyr, Iridikron and Titans (including Sargeras). So cast is packed, it's up for Metzen to use them to full potential.

we also should have the illidari show up in midnight considering how closely they parallel the Rendorei and how they'll probably have at least a small pressence in TLT with Illidan coming back

[milkmustache]

To be more serious, I don't think we need to utilize Azshara in this Saga. We have plenty characters with potential who just hang without purpose (Thrall, Jaina) and in future we still have Void Lords (unless it's just Dimensius), Sylvanas (I know, I know, but Metzen has opportunity to make something more interesting with her), Illidan, Tyr, Iridikron and Titans (including Sargeras). So cast is packed, it's up for Metzen to use them to full potential.

This is how I feel too. I am not sure there's room to do her justice, or else we'd just get Naz'jatar again. She truly deserves an expansion in some form, and I hope that'll be their revamping Kalimdor expansion.

[Hitei]

Azshara isn't going to die in Midnight as she still needs to fight the Nelves and try to take back Kalimdor, which probably won't happen in Midnight unless its a secret "entire world revamp" expac.

This is how I feel too. I am not sure there's room to do her justice, or else we'd just get Naz'jatar again. She truly deserves an expansion in some form, and I hope that'll be their revamping Kalimdor expansion.

Azshara is not interested in Kalimdor. She stepped out of the Ny'alotha situation because she thought N'zoth was small beans and the last we heard of her she was interested in taking the entire planet.

[milkmustache]

Azshara is not interested in Kalimdor. She stepped out of the Ny'alotha situation because she thought N'zoth was small beans and the last we heard of her she was interested in taking the entire planet.

Sure, I didn't say she was solely interested in Kalimdor, but rather that it would be a good location for an expansion with her. The Void isn't focused solely on Quel'thalas, but Azeroth, yet Midnight takes place in Quel'thalas. Same principle in what I'm suggesting.

[Merryck]

I don't care about Azshara in the slightest but she should hook up with Denathrius.

[Limayria]

I don't care about Azshara in the slightest but she should hook up with Denathrius.

I agree, Azshara and Denathrius as an evil power couple would be awesome

[Joshuaj]

I agree, Azshara and Denathrius as an evil power couple would be awesome

Dimensius would look at her, tell her "You wanna rule with us? Suuuurrreee", realize she's plotting to betray the All-Devouring from the get-go, and let her play her little game whilist keeping a million and one eyes and her (And the Void Lord will know Azshara is aware of it spying on her).

Meanwhile, the Void Lord's thinking to itself "she thinks I want to rule stuff. Hahaha silly girl" all while eating a local galaxy group like an ice cream sandwich...

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Oh...you said Denathrius...not Dimensius...

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They'd still plot against eachother 100 fold.

[Khaza-R]

Personally I would love to see Azshara try to steal Elune's power. An ultimate expression of her vanity trying to become a goddess herself.

I think that would be a much more fitting end for her than just getting offed in Midnight as some Void Lord pawn.

[milkmustache]

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Oh...you said Denathrius...not Dimensius...

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They'd still plot against eachother 100 fold.

Which would be really fun if done out in the open and not constant "but actually!!!" type of twists that Blizzard has had a history of doing. The two of them supposedly working together, but always trying to one up each other allowing us cracks to get through and foil plans, etc.

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Personally I would love to see Azshara try to steal Elune's power. An ultimate expression of her vanity trying to become a goddess herself.

I think that would be a much more fitting end for her than just getting offed in Midnight as some Void Lord pawn.

Oh. Wow. Yea, this is an incredible idea. The perfect pinnacle of her hubris.