Midnight 12.X Patches & World Soul Saga Speculation Thread

[Darkarath]

I didn't really mean it in terms of update quality. I expect they'll fully update the continent one way or the other. I more meant will it be 1:1 Northrend but in modern quality, or will it, like Draenor where most of the continent will be completely different sorts of environments from the original. Are we going to show up in Borean Tundra and it's the same Borean Tundra but much nicer looking, or are we going to show up there and that zone is now "the Borean Collapse" and 3/4s of the zone has caved into Azjol-Nerub?

Will it be like Felfire SMV -> lush Shadowmoon and Blades Edge -> Gorgrond; or will it be like Nagrand -> Nagrand?

I have a hard time imagining that Grizzly Hills will just be HD Grizzly Hills when Azure Span is already that and much nicer. For all that Northrend was nice in size and atmosphere, the zones are pretty boring these days. Borean is mostly just open tundra, Dragonblight is mostly just open snow plains, Fjord is mostly just grassy cliffs.

They can literally do whatever they want.

Blizzard could use the Cataclysm, the Legion invasion,the Shadowlands invasion or Iridikron's Earth powers to justify whatever terrain changes they believe to be necessary.

I'm very confident in their ability to make cool continents whatever the storyline is. The Dragon Isles and Khaz Algar are absolutely fantastic. Cannot wait to see what they come up with in the next expansions.

[Makorus]

I still hope that Northrend is getting "Tears of the Kingdom"-fied with a big Upheaval, where it will be extremely vertical, Ulduar flying in the sky merged with Halls of Valor, bits of the continent just floating around Nagrand style, bringing out previously hidden stuff like Iridikrons lair and bigger part of Azjol-Nerub.

You have good angles in terms of Sholazar Basin dealing with the BfA-Azerite story threads, Icecrown with SL story threads and Dragonblight with DF storythreads.

The only problem is, there would probably be too many zones.

[Cheezits]

I still hope that Northrend is getting "Tears of the Kingdom"-fied with a big Upheaval, where it will be extremely vertical, Ulduar flying in the sky merged with Halls of Valor, bits of the continent just floating around Nagrand style, bringing out previously hidden stuff like Iridikrons lair and bigger part of Azjol-Nerub.

You have good angles in terms of Sholazar Basin dealing with the BfA-Azerite story threads, Icecrown with SL story threads and Dragonblight with DF storythreads.

The only problem is, there would probably be too many zones.

Just merge some of the smaller zones into big ones.

I agree that smashing up Northrend Outlands style would be the right path. I also assume the Vrykul will have a heavier presence.

[Makorus]

Just merge some of the smaller zones into big ones.

I agree that smashing up Northrend Outlands style would be the right path. I also assume the Vrykul will have a heavier presence.

And, to be fair, the fact that they placed Iridikrons Lair underneath Northrend, to me, definitely hints at the fact that they will do that.,

[Neoplanet]

so in the new trading post , they added blood and void elf spears , last time wow apeared in the xbox showcase , so can we have a teaser for midnight in there ?

[Cheezits]

And, to be fair, the fact that they placed Iridikrons Lair underneath Northrend, to me, definitely hints at the fact that they will do that.,

I think it's evident that Iridikron is going to fuck up Dragonblight, as its too redundant to the Isles (ironically, as they were heavily inspired by Dragonblight) and it would make sense as a big empty space for him to destroy and get revenge on the Aspects. It also makes sense for HOV to come back and connect to Ulduar. But I didn't think about Ulduar flying as well, which does point to a "underground and also flying" vertical dynamic.

[Makorus]

so in the new trading post , they added blood and void elf spears , last time wow apeared in the xbox showcase , so can we have a teaser for midnight in there ?

Definitely not Midnight lol.

It will probably be 11.2

[Nymrohd]

I think it's evident that Iridikron is going to fuck up Dragonblight, as its too redundant to the Isles (ironically, as they were heavily inspired by Dragonblight) and it would make sense as a big empty space for him to destroy and get revenge on the Aspects. It also makes sense for HOV to come back and connect to Ulduar. But I didn't think about Ulduar flying as well, which does point to a "underground and also flying" vertical dynamic.

I'd say imagine Dragonflight from the rift leading to Wyrmrest all the way to the taunka town collapsing into the caverns below. Then something similar in Storm Peaks with the Titan Machinery effectively being exposed. Would be interesting if Iridikron got his hands on the Hammer of Khaz'goroth.

[Dracullus]

Definitely Azjol'Nerub deserve to be full underground zone this time.

[Sondrelk]

Definitely Azjol'Nerub deserve to be full underground zone this time.

That would make it effectively the same zone as Azj'kahet though. Maybe more undead Nerubians rather than regular ones. But still, Azj'Kahet is straight up Azjol-Nerub as it should have been, so that idea is already taken sadly.

[Enrif]

They can literally do whatever they want.

Blizzard could use the Cataclysm, the Legion invasion,the Shadowlands invasion or Iridikron's Earth powers to justify whatever terrain changes they believe to be necessary.

Not only for TLT, but also for Midnight, they can change Quel'thalas a lot. Especially the Cataclysm and the Legion invasion are ripe to bring changes to that area that makes it really different. And that the new tie in novel for midnight has a legion lieutenant in it, might hint at a notable demon issue ongoing in Quel'Thalas to spice up the enemy variety.

[Bwgmon]

And, to be fair, the fact that they placed Iridikrons Lair underneath Northrend, to me, definitely hints at the fact that they will do that.,

I wouldn't be surprised if we finally get the ruins of Azjol-Nerub as well, possibly as part of a greater zone split between the ruins of the kingdom, Iridikron's base of operations, and subterranean Titan facilities.

[Makorus]

Quite frankly, I think Borean Tundra, Howling Fjord, Grizzly Hills and Zul'drak are all gonna get the axe in some way. They just don't really offer anything? Utgarde Keep can easily be (literally) kidnapped by Odyn, so Vrykul can still be relevant.

[Cheezits]

Quite frankly, I think Borean Tundra, Howling Fjord, Grizzly Hills and Zul'drak are all gonna get the axe in some way. They just don't really offer anything? Utgarde Keep can easily be (literally) kidnapped by Odyn, so Vrykul can still be relevant.

Grizzly Hills is iconic so it's not going anywhere.

Borean Tundra is probably toast as it's both faction war themed and boring, though I can see them redoing Coldarra.

Howling Fjord will be a centerpiece as I think Vrykul will be very integral to the expansion, and likely playable in some form.

Zul'drak is the real coinflip. Depends on any long troll story coming from Amani zone in 12.0 and if they will make it a Scourge outpost.

ICC is also a huge mystery. I can see the Titanforged exploding it, or taking it over so they can use or repair the pathway to the Worldsoul Zovaal made.

[Khaza-R]

I doubt they'll overall Howling Fjord and Grizzly Hills too much because they're fan favorites.

The titans will destroy Icecrown Citadel. That's a given.

Iridikron will probably destroy Dragonblight

Sholozar and Borean Tundra maybe have something to do with the root of Elun'hir

[Joshuaj]

I doubt they'll overall Howling Fjord and Grizzly Hills too much because they're fan favorites.

The titans will destroy Icecrown Citadel. That's a given.

Iridikron will probably destroy Dragonblight

Sholozar and Borean Tundra maybe have something to do with the root of Elun'hir

The Titans looking at ICC: Ew, Zovaal's influence...*flicks away*

[Cheezits]

The titans will destroy Icecrown Citadel. That's a given.

I do wonder about that though. It would rustle some jimmies among the fans and they want the expansion to have fanservice. I think there will be SOME continuation of the Scourge/Arthas story even if it's a C Plot compared to Iridikron and the Titanforged.

Maybe we reverse engineer it to blow up Ulduar?

[Khaza-R]

The Titans looking at ICC: Ew, Zovaal's influence...*flicks away*

Soul Engine aside, I just can't see them leaving a giant monument to another force.

I do wonder about that though. It would rustle some jimmies among the fans and they want the expansion to have fanservice. I think there will be SOME continuation of the Scourge/Arthas story even if it's a C Plot compared to Iridikron and the Titanforged.

Maybe we reverse engineer it to blow up Ulduar?

I think it would be more iconic for us to see when without all the saronite structures around it. As for the Scourge, I think we will learn who is leading it now in Midnight and the story will continue from there into TLT.

[Holdodlig]

The Titans looking at ICC: Ew, Zovaal's influence...*flicks away*

I don't think Iridikron will destroy Dragonblight even if I agree that the zone will somehow change / disappear so Azjol Nerub can be revealed. Here are my guesses :

-Irid will probably bring back Galakrond to life (I could easily see him double cross Xal'atath and steal her the Dark Heart or whatever she will be looking for in Midnight) and use the soul of his father to get him back to life. After all, he purged the decaying corruption out of his father's body and Yogg's corruption was another form of outer force influence, just like the Titans twisted the other dragons.

-Since Northrend seems to be a gigantic Titan facility, maybe their return will awaken some sort of device. After all, we still don't know where the gigantic bridge in Dragonblight was meant to go.

[Darkarath]

My dream for TLT is that Iridikron becomes the new Plague Lord and that he raises with Decay an army of death dragons, with Galakrond, Raszageth, Malygos... Hell, he could make his own Dragon Aspects to fight our Aspects, maybe even Murozond could be there, since he has relations with the Infinites. Also he really needs a big power boost to be able to kill a Titan, but if he has Galakrond and other at his service... He might have a chance.

Hopefully he would make a cameo in Midnight to show us that he is the new Lord of the Plague.

Even more important than Iridikron... What about Yogg-Saron? Would Blizzard bring him back in some way? I have no doubt that at the very least we will have a questline about him.