Midnight 12.X Patches & World Soul Saga Speculation Thread

[Sondrelk]

I just wondering what type of Exterior sizes will occur. Cause in the videos we saw so far, we only saw 2 Human exterior sizes: A Shack and a Cottage looking house. I don't think the Cottage looking one is the mansion, so I imagine there is a third size Blizzard's hiding from us rn.

So, it'd be this:

Small AKA A Shack!

Medium AKA A Cottage!

And Large AKA A Mansion!

The interior size has no relation to the exterior size. So could be that we do only get the two exterior sizes for human house.

[Lahis]

Seeing somebody like Illidan (known to 99% of the Warcraft community, as well as a significant chunk of the gaming community overall) do something badass would instantly generate interest, prompting people to google the newest patch.

This is exactly how they started their Legion reveal in Gamescom, only time they have revealed an expansion outside of Blizzcon:



Features Gul'dan, who people know from Warcraft RTS games and the then recent Warcraft movie, and ends with revealing Ilidan in his prison. The Expansion logo and title at the end of you YouTube upload wasn't part of the Gamescom presentation.

After this teaser there were still some talking on stage before they dropped the Feature Trailer with the expansion title.

[Dracullus]

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That was event for WoW players. Can't see how it's relevant in discussion what they could show to grab broad audience on Xbox showcase.

[Foreign Exchange Ztudent]

There's just nothing they can really market to a mainstream audience with where we're at with The War Within. They'd have to manufacture it from thin air and divert extreme resources to sell a CGI Cinematic of something tangentially tied to the End Periods of TWW/Pre-Start Midnight and it just doesn't look very likely.

[Joshuaj]

The interior size has no relation to the exterior size. So could be that we do only get the two exterior sizes for human house.

I'm aware of the first point. The point of Exteriors tho is to kinda flex how rich you are or how cool your house is on the outside lol.

Also, in the small Neighborhood video preview that we saw, there was what appeared to be a Human house but with a working chimney. Looked similar to the cottage but also not, so idk...

It's possible there might be 3 exterior options idk.

[Khaza-R]

I'm aware of the first point. The point of Exteriors tho is to kinda flex how rich you are or how cool your house is on the outside lol.

Also, in the small Neighborhood video preview that we saw, there was what appeared to be a Human house but with a working chimney. Looked similar to the cottage but also not, so idk...

It's possible there might be 3 exterior options idk.

The Horde neighborhood concept showed 3 different tiered orc buildings. So I think 3 exterior options is a reasonable assumption.

Beyond that, I am sure there's going to be MTX that effects the exterior of your building as well. I am interest to see just how big the plots are and how big your house can be relative to that.

[Joshuaj]

Don't expect any housing news today btw

[Fahrad Wagner]

Don't expect any housing news today btw

Tomorrow maybe?

[Limayria]

To be fair I literally have shown people who have never interacted with Warcraft at all the rejection of the gift cinematic and they thought it was hype and cool and worth checking out

People here are acting like players need to know something to be excited for it when really it just needs to seem interesting to be worth learning about, like you know all the new games/IPs that show stuff off at events like this

[Joshuaj]

Tomorrow maybe?

Don't think so.

But IF we're to take Monday's news into account (which is funny, cause normally that think would occur on Tuesday or summ), then maybe today or tomorrow we'd get something? I wouldn't bet money on it though.

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Yep. Nothing

[Lady Atia]

Man, you gotta be more imaginative.

Picture a trailer with Alleria Windrunner. She gives some dramatic, ominous speech. "I watched my world burn at the hands of the orcs, I ventured through the Dark Portal..." blah blah blah, alongside some awesome B-roll footage of the Sons of Lothar fighting the demons and so on.

Then end in an epic way with her talking about resisting the whispers of the Void, destroying Xal'atath's minions left and right with ease, before she stands heroically before something epic. Be it the worldsoul of K'aresh, the city of Ny'alotha, the Sunwell or something else.

"The fight for Azeroth's worldsoul begins now..." before the music reaches its epic climax and the logo appears onscreen.

"World of Warcraft: Shadows of K'aresh" or whatever, followed by "Get. In. This. Fight." and perhaps some Return to Azeroth bundle.

For a short trailer of 60 sec this would likely have a pretty large impact. A bit high-octane like that cinrmatic with Orweyna dancing, when TWW launched.

The only thing that makes me doubt it, basically, is the fact that they'll likely want to do something like this at Gamesocm proper. So they might hold on to their cards for that event.

Gamescom will have the Midnight preview though?

[Hitei]

Man, you gotta be more imaginative.

You have it backwards. You need to imagine what a crowd of people who don't play wow are seeing what a video plays, and what Blizzard would want to put in front of that sort of crowd:

Picture a trailer with... some elf lady you don't know. She gives some dramatic, ominous speech about a bunch of places and events you have no reference for "I watched my world burn at the hands of the orcs, I ventured through a portal..." blah blah blah, alongside some awesome B-roll footage of... some generic looking warrior guys fighting green glowing rock giants?

Then end in an epic way with her talking about whispering or something, killing some glowy guys in bandages and spider things, before she stands heroically before... a purple glowy orb, or some city with obelisks, or a pool of glowing water or something.

"The fight for Azeroth's worldsoul begins now..." (who is Azeroth and what is a worldsoul?)

"World of Warcraft: Shadows of K'aresh" or whatever, followed by "Get. In. This. Fight."

This is exactly why I pointed out that the Tomb trailer is incomprehensible. It's not about that specific moment in Legion's story, it's that any given moment of "we're about to go to a place" is incomprehensibly to people who are not or have not played the game. Especially when it isn't about a person slightly more ubiquitous known as Arthas or Illidan.

"Wow, what if you show K'aresh's worldsoul" is only an exciting, enganging thing to, not even the average wow player, but specifically a small segment of the playerbase who follow ongoing story and lore enough to know that K'aresh is the Ethereal homeworld, and likely had a worldsoul and have been considering that a possibility recently enough to recognize some nondescript broken planet with a glowy orb thing.

So instead you are much more likely to talk about actual features that might interest people, or show off in-game footage of a new fancy looking zone.

[Makorus]

You have it backwards. You need to imagine what a crowd of people who don't play wow are seeing what a video plays, and what Blizzard would want to put in front of that sort of crowd:



This is exactly why I pointed out that the Tomb trailer is incomprehensible. It's not about that specific moment in Legion's story, it's that any given moment of "we're about to go to a place" is incomprehensibly to people who are not or have not played the game. Especially when it isn't about a person slightly more ubiquitous known as Arthas or Illidan.

"Wow, what if you show K'aresh's worldsoul" is only an exciting, enganging thing to, not even the average wow player, but specifically a small segment of the playerbase who follow ongoing story and lore enough to know that K'aresh is the Ethereal homeworld, and likely had a worldsoul and have been considering that a possibility recently enough to recognize some nondescript broken planet with a glowy orb thing.

So instead you are much more likely to talk about actual features that might interest people, or show off in-game footage of a new fancy looking zone.

I think there is a lot of confirmation bias going on in this thread, but everyone in this thread needs to remember that the average WoW player (and in fact most WoW players I would say) does not know what a Karesh is, and I would be surprised if the funny mummies were even called Ethereals. No one actually cares about Turalyon other than being the guy who got beat by Illidan. The average player doesn't care in the slightest about cool lore moments.

The player base HATES cinematics that are not epic shots with no real narrative. You think the non-playerbase wants that?

Honestly, it needs to be like the Undermined trailer. You need to have no real knowledge of Warcraft whats going on, it's fun and it shows you what the update is about.

[Makorus]

I wonder if this is an age difference kind of thing?

For my generation (grew up with Warcraft 1, 2 and 3), Turalyon and Alleria are some of the real heroes of WoW.

There are so many 30-40 something dads out there who played Warcraft at one point in the ancient past. If it wasn't apparent from Chris Metzen back at BlizzCon 2023, and the fact that the game suddenly revolves around Quel'thalas and Northrend... Blizzard wants them to come home.

No offense but how many people that currently WoW do you think played any of the RTS games?
The 30-40 something dads are most definitely the minority.

[Makorus]

Well that's what I'm saying. They're out there, ripe for the harvest for Blizzard. The playerbase is smaller now than it was back then.

Advertising your MMO to 30-40 year old dads and hope that they watch Summer Game Show and also care enough about Warcraft but don't actually play WoW is certainly something they can do.

[Enteroctopus Magnificus]

While I agree Illidan and Arthas are on another level of fame, I don't think you should underestimate Alleria and Turalyon.

People wouldn't shut up about them or stop speculating about their return back in the day (myself included). They're Warcraft legends.

Excuse me, are we playing the same game?

The real legends are Sylvanas, Illidan and the Lich King. Alleria and Turalyon are so... unpopular and secondary, even well behind a rather long list of characters like Azshara.

When Alleria finally made an appearance in Hearthstone, even that caused a big splash.

Only because she's Sylvanas' sister. Remove Sylvanas and she's irrelevant.

[Zardas]

When Alleria finally made an appearance in Hearthstone, even that caused a big splash.

Because it was the first alternate hero skin (along with Magni and Medhiv).

[Monkal]

I think Alleria and Turalyon have cool enough visuals that they can feel interesting even to players who don't quite know the game.

[AOL Instant Messenger]

The 30-40 something dads are most definitely the minority.

To be fair, some of us have the tastes of 30-40 somethings dads in our twenties. I'm 22 and I'm a certified Second War cuck.

[Dracullus]

Gamescom will have the Midnight preview though?

Midnight on Gamescom is definition of educated guess. Everything points on it, dates align, it fits roadmap, but we can never guarantee that Blizzard won't say "screw that stream will be cheaper".