Midnight 12.X Patches & World Soul Saga Speculation Thread

[Hitei]

What's "classic era" then ?

The prevailing cutoff is that Wrath is the end of the segment, since Cata replaced a significant portion of the questing experience and MoP replaces a bunch of system stuff. It all feels sort of arbitrary to me. Wrath doesn't really play like Vanilla, nor does BC really. Classic stopped being a specific thing and started just meaning "re-release server" as soon as BC "Classic" became a real thing. Because BC already wasn't classic.

[Scyth]

The prevailing cutoff is that Wrath is the end of the segment, since Cata replaced a significant portion of the questing experience and MoP replaces a bunch of system stuff. It all feels sort of arbitrary to me. Wrath doesn't really play like Vanilla, nor does BC really. Classic stopped being a specific thing and started just meaning "re-release server" as soon as BC "Classic" became a real thing. Because BC already wasn't classic.

Classic, to me at least, always meant vanilla only.

But as long as there’s interest and demand, they will keep going with the older expansions. Don’t understand why it bothers people so much, especially people who don’t play it lol

[Pyrophax]

Imagine if Azeroth's worldsoul is evil (corrupted).

For example, the cinematic we all believe to show K'aresh might be our worldsoul.

"Her heart is a crater, and we have filled it," kind of sounds like a good description of what we saw in the video.

"Its surface blazes bright, masking shadows below."

So the Worldcore would've been a prison not just to protect the worldsoul while injecting it with Order magic, but also a way to keep it in stasis and harmless.

Multiple sources (Orweina, Magni) stated that worldsoul song is clear and pure.

I think this "Its surface blazes bright, masking shadows below." resemble more of Beledar.

[Lahis]

I would be less antsy about the next patch if most of 11.1.7's new content took longer than a day to complete.

Luckily it they will timegate it to hell so it takes months instead.

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The prevailing cutoff is that Wrath is the end of the segment, since Cata replaced a significant portion of the questing experience and MoP replaces a bunch of system stuff. It all feels sort of arbitrary to me. Wrath doesn't really play like Vanilla, nor does BC really. Classic stopped being a specific thing and started just meaning "re-release server" as soon as BC "Classic" became a real thing. Because BC already wasn't classic.

There is a reason why vanilla is the only one with permanent Era servers.

[Timester]

Imagine if Azeroth's worldsoul is evil (corrupted).

For example, the cinematic we all believe to show K'aresh might be our worldsoul.

"Her heart is a crater, and we have filled it," kind of sounds like a good description of what we saw in the video.

"Its surface blazes bright, masking shadows below."

So the Worldcore would've been a prison not just to protect the worldsoul while injecting it with Order magic, but also a way to keep it in stasis and harmless.

Azeroth is everything BUT evil. Especially that we have been learning that she is the cause of Free Will of many beings, and it's that same Free Will that the Titans wants to delete.

[Lahis]

That's the first time they even consider moving classic chars to retail - I hope if they do this that we will get some form of new start classic aswell that will be marketed as "once it's over your characters will find a new home on retail" from the start ...

So they're thinking about MoP being the end point?

[Darkarath]

Azeroth is everything BUT evil. Especially that we have been learning that she is the cause of Free Will of many beings, and it's that same Free Will that the Titans wants to delete.

You make an interesting point.

While I agree with Azeroth currently being "good" (I guess that if she already was corrupted we would all be fucked by now), giving different races free will is not against the Void per se. The Void sees all possibilities, hence they are more free-will aligned by it's own nature.

Moreover, do you know who gave free will to some Azeroth's races? The Old Gods through the Curse of Flesh. Add this to the fact that the Old Gods could have delivered Azeroth to the Void but they chose otherwise. Hmmm, I think that it's very possible that Azeroth influenced the Old Gods. Maybe the Curse of Flesh was Azeroth's own idea to free all the people of the planet.

[Timester]

You make an interesting point.

While I agree with Azeroth currently being "good" (I guess that if she already was corrupted we would all be fucked by now), giving different races free will is not against the Void per se. The Void sees all possibilities, hence they are more free-will aligned by it's own nature.

Moreover, do you know who gave free will to some Azeroth's races? The Old Gods through the Curse of Flesh. Add this to the fact that the Old Gods could have delivered Azeroth to the Void but they chose otherwise. Hmmm, I think that it's very possible that Azeroth influenced the Old Gods. Maybe the Curse of Flesh was Azeroth's own idea to free all the people of the planet.

We see exactly that in Xal's questline in 11.1.7. That even the Old Gods turned against the Void directives, indicating that they were also influenced by Azeroth's Free Will.

[Darkarath]

We see exactly that in Xal's questline in 11.1.7. That even the Old Gods turned against the Void directives, indicating that they were also influenced by Azeroth's Free Will.

Yes, that has been already discussed. But for now, while it's highly possible that Azeroth did influence the Old Gods, we aren't in a position to make such claims. It hasn't been confirmed, and certainly N'zoth seems to follow his own goals, so we'll have to wait until we get more information.

[Timester]

Yes, that has been already discussed. But for now, while it's highly possible that Azeroth did influence the Old Gods, we aren't in a position to make such claims. It hasn't been confirmed, and certainly N'zoth seems to follow his own goals, so we'll have to wait until we get more information.

All narrative crumbs are there. The Earthen Free Will, the Disks info and the Titan Watchers being influenced by Azeroth, now the Old Gods.

Not to turn this into a theological debate but this discussion also exists in the real world, and Free Will (TM) is often an excuse for evil's existence.

Free Will is Free Will, not good nor evil. It's outside the cosmology charter as it can affect any part of it.

If anything, I believe that every single bit of the cosmic charter represents imposed Order.

Indeed, it sounds very Voidy to be so focused on Free Will.

Xal's questline contradicts it. Xal pretty much says that the Old Gods deviated from their purpose.

[Lady Atia]

Personally I'd rather these rewards be available from Remix events.

But they can't charge your a character transfer fee for that so unfortunately unlikely to happen.



They'll probably just add M+ to WoD and call it a day.

Honestly I like both (remix and the idea of classic that actually connects to the real game similiar to how pokemon handles it) - but the main argument for a classic season that ends with retail is that you can actually give out "challenge" rewards that so far, have not been given to remix in order to preserve "prestige".


Depending on the poll results, I could also see them keeping MoP for now, than do a lets say "Classic Season of Legacy" and once that's done, you get to choose to either keep your characters for both on classic (prolly the anniversary realms than) or send them over to retail.

[Marlamin]

Looks like 11.2 realms restarted another time overnight, so they're definitely working on stuff. Battle.net Catalog update next, then forums/client and we're off to the races.

See my previous post on past timings (client usually appears within a few days from realms being updated), but provided the holiday or anything else doesn't throw stuff off, we could be on for this week still.

Guess I better get some sleep in, just in case..

[Lady Atia]

Iirc they kept the Naxx Protodrakes in classic, what's with Hand of A'dal / Original Naxx / Zul Aman / Zul Gurub? Did they remove all of that when WotlK/Cata classic launched?

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Looks like 11.2 realms restarted another time overnight, so they're definitely working on stuff. Battle.net Catalog update next, then forums/client and we're off to the races.

See my previous post on past timings (client usually appears within a few days from realms being updated), but provided the holiday or anything else doesn't throw stuff off, we could be on for this week still.

Guess I better get some sleep in, just in case..

Let's hope for tonight than!

[huth]

Xal's questline contradicts it. Xal pretty much says that the Old Gods deviated from their purpose.

That just means they don't do what the Void Lords wanted them to. Not that it is in some way contradictory to the nature of the Void.

[Timester]

That just means they don't do what the Void Lords wanted them to. Not that it is in some way contradictory to the nature of the Void.

Then why the Void Lords throught Xal attack the Black Empire in the first place?

It's clear that the Old Gods no longer are doing what the Void Lords wanted. It shows that Azeroth's Free Will changed the nature of the Old Gods, as much it changed the Earthen that rebeled against the Titans.

Azeroth is outside the cosmology and seems to be more powerful than any other cosmological entity to the point of turning jailors into rebels.

[wheyt]

Looks like 11.2 realms restarted another time overnight, so they're definitely working on stuff. Battle.net Catalog update next, then forums/client and we're off to the races.

See my previous post on past timings (client usually appears within a few days from realms being updated), but provided the holiday or anything else doesn't throw stuff off, we could be on for this week still.

Guess I better get some sleep in, just in case..

If you don’t mind, how are you able to see that? I tried looking for the algalon twitter post about ptr 2 being updated to 11.2 but couldn’t find it

[huth]

Then why the Void Lords throught Xal attack the Black Empire in the first place?

It's clear that the Old Gods no longer are doing what the Void Lords wanted. It shows that Azeroth's Free Will changed the nature of the Old Gods, as much it changed the Earthen that rebeled against the Titans.

Azeroth is outside the cosmology and seems to be more powerful than any other cosmological entity to the point of turning jailors into rebels.

Because the Old Gods aren't doing what they want and they tried to force the matter. That's not exactly rocket surgery. You're just tacking on "because Azeroth made them" for no reason.

[Timester]

Because the Old Gods aren't doing what they want and they tried to force the matter. That's not exactly rocket surgery. You're just tacking on "because Azeroth made them" for no reason.

No reason except for all that was presented during the expansion regarding digging too deep and being influenced by Azeroth? That is even implied directly by Archaedas himself that perhaps himself was influenced by Azeroth and taped all the disks about the Titans dirts?

We know Azeroth is giving free will to beings. Old Gods going rogues is just another layer.

[Xeladriel]

today is the day for...something 11.2 or outdoors preview

i pray to yogg-saron

[genegerbread]

today is the day for...something 11.2 or outdoors preview

i pray to yogg-saron

I doubt they'd do it on patch day. Probably tomorrow or Thursday, with Thurs. being more likely.