Midnight 12.X Patches & World Soul Saga Speculation Thread

[Nibelheimy]

Exactly, I don't see the point. The point is to play an ethereal, so why would you want Khajiit or whatever?

It's like wanting elves and getting trolls instead, wtf.

Absolutely and that's the point my friend. People wanted Drakonoid, they got Drac'thyr. It's classic Blizzard. People want Ethereals (and you'd have to be pretty braindead to be a part of this team and and not realise how easy a home run this could be) and instead, you get K'areshi race 1 & 2.

In all honesty, I can't believe we're actually trying to come up with decent races we could get because deep down we all know they won't give us what we actually wanted. I'd love to be surprised however, but they won't.

Though it could be a smokescreen and we do get Ethereals, it is possible. But if it isn't a smokescreen, they're not planned and they're honestly waiting to see how people react?? Like how does the wow team finally make K'aresh and not capitilize on Ethereals. Surely somebody in the team has to be holding races back because there's no way with everybody working on K'aresh, in all departments, surely it came up? We are truly in the cursed timeline.

[Sondrelk]

Absolutely and that's the point my friend. People wanted Drakonoid, they got Drac'thyr. It's classic Blizzard. People want Ethereals (and you'd have to be pretty braindead to be a part of this team and and not realise how easy a home run this could be) and instead, you get K'areshi race 1 & 2.

In all honesty, I can't believe we're actually trying to come up with decent races we could get because deep down we all know they won't give us what we actually wanted. I'd love to be surprised however, but they won't.

In honesty it could be a smokescreen and we do get Ethereals, it is possible. But if it isn't a smokescreen, they're not planned and they're honestly waiting to see how people react?? Like how does the wow team finally make K'aresh and not capitilize on Ethereals. We are truly in the cursed timeline.

But getting Dracthyr was more on players wanting to be dragons, and getting something more realistic in terms of gameplay.
It's a compromise between buff drakonids, and being able to fly like a dragon. Not fully either option, but close enough to both that it's clear what they were going for.

Asking for Ethereals and getting cat people is just a complete betrayal. There is no reason players would accept it when there is nothing about Ethereals that make them impossible as a player race.

[Cheezits]

Absolutely and that's the point my friend. People wanted Drakonoid, they got Drac'thyr. It's classic Blizzard. People want Ethereals (and you'd have to be pretty braindead to be a part of this team and and not realise how easy a home run this could be) and instead, you get K'areshi race 1 & 2.

In all honesty, I can't believe we're actually trying to come up with decent races we could get because deep down we all know they won't give us what we actually wanted. I'd love to be surprised however, but they won't.

Like Dracthyr, it's probably based on appealing to people that don't know Warcraft- by leaning into the Aspects design, they made another "sexy elf" race for people that like conventional humanoids, and then a dragon-thing with wings for the dragon fans.

Of course, only one of the two was well received across the board. For all the griping about the dragon forms, I think plenty of people race changed to be a sexy elf with horns.

If we don't get Ethereals, it's because
A) They don't think players will like a faceless race
B) They don't have an interest/don't have devtime for new player races anymore
C) Both those things

[-Midnight-]

Ethereals could have different wrapping patterns on their face or maybe an unwrapped face, hundreds of options could be added with endless amounts of customization even if they can't wear armor. Skipping Brokers entirely would be lame, that's why I like the option of making them body types. You could even add races like Sethrak this way.

I do think Ethereal will be a race for Midnight instead of an allied race in a .5 patch. K'aresh seems like just the start.

[Cheezits]

Ethereals could have different wrapping patterns on their face or maybe an unwrapped face, hundreds of options could be added with endless amounts of customization even if they can't wear armor. Skipping Brokers entirely would be lame, that's why I like the option of making them body types. You could even add races like Sethrak this way.

I do think Ethereal will be a race for Midnight. K'aresh seems like just the start.

I think the way to win would be an Arabic-inspired humanoid race that, if you customize them, can basically be ethereal.

Make the after-image thing into a racial and boom.

[-Midnight-]

I think the way to win would be an Arabic-inspired humanoid race that, if you customize them, can basically be ethereal.

Make the after-image thing into a racial and boom.

Anything less than a full blown Ethereal will be lame. I don't see why they can't just add them the way they are considering Dracthyr exist.

[Cheezits]

Anything less than a full blown Ethereal will be lame. I don't see why they can't just add them the way they are considering Dracthyr exist.

Well we have to hope that one dev was straight up lying then. It wasn't even a sneaky not-deconfirm, it was a straight deconfirm on Ethereals. But the other dev basically said "play the story and let us know" which points to it maybe being something else revealed in the campaign.

Ideally the comment was because there will be a race that can let you be both Ethereal and Broker, with a different name.

[CasualFilth]

There's a Mysterious Note from Shadreem at Tazavesh were he's sus about the many Elf Wells on Azeroth - he also refers to his 'master'

[Bwgmon]

Anything less than a full blown Ethereal will be lame. I don't see why they can't just add them the way they are considering Dracthyr exist.

It's honestly reminding me of that weird notion some people have that, if Ogres ever happened, they would have to stick ogre faces on the Kul Tiran body instead of basing them on the already-functional Moonkin/Ogre skeleton.

[Wyrt]

I don't get why ethereals' true bodies would be elves or cat girls, they don't share any features with either. Physically they seem to just conform to whatever their soul is bound too and culturally they're closer to draenei/eredar in terms of arcane technology and goblins in terms of the mercantile/cartels aspect.

I don't think giving them back their true bodies would make sense anyway, their bodies were destroyed, only their arcane infused spirits remain. If made playable they should be the ethereals we've always known.

[Limayria]

I don't get why ethereals' true bodies would be elves or cat girls, they don't share any features with either. Physically they seem to just conform to whatever their soul is bound too and culturally they're closer to draenei/eredar in terms of arcane technology and goblins in terms of the mercantile/cartels aspect.

I don't think giving them back their true bodies would make sense anyway, their bodies were destroyed, only their arcane infused spirits remain. If made playable they should be the ethereals we've always known.

because the K'areshi have a massive amount of parallelism with the Elves????? the way they are in the same "energy vampire" situation that the blood elves were in, their connections to the void elves, the fact that they are the chosen of their world soul etc they are quite literally the elves of k'aresh there's also that xal whisper about who was on argus before the draenei which calls into question, did the draenei know anything about their world soul? have they ever mentioned it?

[Wyrt]

because the K'areshi have a massive amount of parallelism with the Elves????? the way they are in the same "energy vampire" situation that the blood elves were in, their connections to the void elves, the fact that they are the chosen of their world soul etc they are quite literally the elves of k'aresh there's also that xal whisper about who was on argus before the draenei which calls into question, did the draenei know anything about their world soul? have they ever mentioned it?

What?

Blood elves were addicted to magic. Ethereals are made up entirely of magic. That's a very loose connection.
Void elves are only connected to ethereals through Locus-Walker, not in general.
Elves are not the chosen race of Azeroth.
Xal'atath's whisper was about what race the naaru had chosen before the draenei, not what race was on Argus before the draenei(if there even was one).

[Nibelheimy]

Harmless talk about possible races for a completely alien Culture is fun. People are curious because Blizzard likes to pull a "here's what you wanted but not really" as they've done many times before, I really really wish they wouldn't. But they do. So as they've said "there are no plans rn" (which may be a lie) people are messing around with concepts of original forms for them. Spoiler. They shouldn't look like any race we already know. They are from an entirely different planet. Nobody wants Ethereals as they are more than me. Believe me. I want them. I want Ogres. I want the classics. I don't need any more "here's a dragon, but not really" I don't care what they were trying to do, it failed. We don't need more.

+ Lets stop the whole, Ethereals don't need armour because Drac'thyr don't schtick. The game and its player base absolutely deserves more than 2 armour slots visible. What are we even paying for. Loosing 1 slot is something I can handle where appropriate. Wearing only two is beyond unacceptable.

[Joshuaj]

There's a Mysterious Note from Shadreem at Tazavesh were he's sus about the many Elf Wells on Azeroth - he also refers to his 'master'

Why is he sus about them?

[Golden Yak]

What?

Blood elves were addicted to magic. Ethereals are made up entirely of magic. That's a very loose connection.

Therefore, blood elves can huff ethereals.

[Wyrt]

Therefore, blood elves can huff ethereals.

Blood elves suck enough without going after the Ethereals.

[Viridiel]

You know, funny you guys are mentioning spiders.. are these mobs in Karesh? Because I didn't see them when questing.



It would be very funny if these are Kareshi.

I believe they're part of a group of species who were drawn to K'aresh when it was being destroyed. They all have similar eye designs, all very alien insects. I don't think it's clear if they're Void creatures or similar to devourers and just drawn to death. I really like how alien and freaky they are.

[Limayria]

What?

Blood elves were addicted to magic. Ethereals are made up entirely of magic. That's a very loose connection.
Void elves are only connected to ethereals through Locus-Walker, not in general.
Elves are not the chosen race of Azeroth.
Xal'atath's whisper was about what race the naaru had chosen before the draenei, not what race was on Argus before the draenei(if there even was one).

Ethreals need to consume pure energy to survive; ie they have a magic addicition just like the blood elves did, manaforges might end up being an ethreal/blood elf hybrid desgin, we learn that they need to harvest energy to survive from the quest with the wastelanders in this patch, creating a very clear parallel between the ethreals and the blood elves, with them both using their pylons/sanctums to harvest the magic they need to survive

and like... those parallels are important and make sense? especially considering we know were about to get an expac of unifying the elf tribes, and k'areshs role as a warning of the stakes we are dealing with in the saga we also have 3 major groups of elves and three groups of k'areshi (the wastelanders, the ravel/sorcerers, and the brokers + "the trust" which also carries with it to me some implication theres a lot of ethreals just... not here on either side of this conflict fwiw) compare the three brands of ethereals and you get the night elves the void elves and the blood elves + nightborn now that the kingdoms are more fully merging with both the wastelanders and night elves being oft presented as a race heavily entwined with the past, you have the ravel and void elves who both have obvious connections to the future simply due to the nature of the void but also about looking on the failure of the past and trying to change the future through direct action, then you have the brokers/blood elves people who are much more in the moment to moment of life dealing with things like commerce and worldly goods

like soul scribe is literally doing in the eco dome dungeon what tyrande does in the end time dungeon green dragon shrine

[Wyrt]

Ethreals need to consume pure energy to survive; ie they have a magic addicition just like the blood elves did, manaforges might end up being an ethreal/blood elf hybrid desgin

They don't have an addiction to magic. They ARE magic and need magic to survive, because it's what they're made of. It's completely different from an addiction. It's like saying humans have an addiction to food or water.

[Limayria]

They don't have an addiction to magic. They ARE magic and need magic to survive, because it's what they're made of. It's completely different from an addiction. It's like saying humans have an addiction to food or water.

Etherals need to consume energy or they die, blood elves need to consume energy or they die, arguing about it it's an "addiction" is just semantics