Midnight 12.X Patches & World Soul Saga Speculation Thread

[COBRAstriker]

I mean, they aren't. The outfits were changed because they were glorified swimsuits, the portraits were changed because they were a woman posing in a swimsuit and a woman in a busty dress.

But it's fine to have men with pecs and abs on full display
Give me a break
Blizzard needs to start treating us as the adults we are
Sometimes I genuinely feel insulted by this childish nonsense

[Joshuaj]

It was, and then they did WoD because they saw the negative reception MoP had

Well, not really. Metzen wanted players to experience Draenor pre-destruction, and he wanted to make a great 2 parter with it and Legion. However, we all know how that went.

[Thomir]

Shadowlands does not need to be retconned. You were just too stupid to understand Danuser's vision.

[Monkal]

Midnight Overview
- New Class: Warden
- Mail; 1h Swords/Axes, Daggers, Glaives, Shields, Bows, Guns, and Crossbows
- Runic (Tank) - Hero Talents (Shadow Hunter & Spellbreaker) --> 1h Weapons w/ Shield
- Celestial (RDPS) - Hero Talents (Night Warrior & Spellbreaker) --> Range Weapons
- Voodoo (MDPS) - Hero Talents (Night Warrior & Shadow Hunter) --> Dual-wield 1h Weapons

- Character Creation Revamp
- Players now choose a background for their character which gives new options for creative expression and role-playing potential.
- Backgrounds are both baseline and unlocked through questlines and renowns.
- For example, players can create an Elf and choose the Kaldorei or Sin'dorei backgrounds which are baseline or choose the Quel'dorei Background once unlocked
- Similar with trolls having Darkspear, Farakki, or Zandalari baseline but can unlock Amani through Amani Empire renown.
- Humans can choose different kingdoms or Orcs choose a different clan.
- Many races are paired down (Worgens, Kul Tirans, Humans, and Forsaken all combined into Humanity choosing different kingdoms; IE: Lordaeron --> Forsaken)

- New Zones: World slowly revamped over the course of Midnight and TLT
- Hills of Strom (Pre-Patch)
- Lordaeron --> Kingdom of New Lordaeron (Renown)
- The Eastwald --> The Silver Hand (Renown)
- Marasi Hills --> Amani Empire (Renown)
- Quel'thalas --> Union of Thas'alah (Renown)

- New Raid: Defense of Silvermoon City
- Defend Silvermoon City against the forces of the void led by a resurrected Dar'khan Drathir as they seek a foothold to corrupt the Sunwell.

- New Dungeons:
- Ruins of the Undercity
- Scarlet Citadel
- Caer Darrow
- Tyr's Hand
- Zul'mara Crypts
- Grove of the Loa
- Deatholme
- The Shattered Reef

"Voodoo"

Let's at least try to be credible, folks

[COBRAstriker]

Shadowlands does not need to be retconned. You were just too stupid to understand Danuser's vision.

The fractals..

[Joshuaj]

It wouldn't be so bad if they'd have bothered to have the races who had their own afterlife mythos react to this. The tauren got their heritage quest line talking to Cairnes spirit in I believe the patch before pre-patch if I remember right.

Who writes Shadowlands and choses not to have the Forsaken discuss it? Or Tauren? The biggest offender for me was Saurfang. They did all of those cinematics leading to his honorable death to just completely reduce any meaning of said death in relation to his races afterlife concept.

That's less a Progenitor and issue and more of a writing issue regarding the afterlife and its effects on people.

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The fractals..

You literally see this in the lore currently. Conflicts expand infinitely in bigger or smaller amounts.

[Nibelheimy]

Now I may have completely misremembered this. But was not some of WoDs lack of content explained as the original expansions plan was to do Legion first, and then WoD. But WoD was swapped around to happen first and lead into Legion, due to WoD containing more characters that featured in the Warcraft movie?

I distinctivley remember this being discussed but cannot remember if there was ever any official indication of such.

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That's less a Progenitor and issue and more of a writing issue regarding the afterlife and its effects on people.

They're one and the same.

[Joshuaj]

Shadowlands does not need to be retconned. You were just too stupid to understand Danuser's vision.

It was the vision of multiple people. Heck, I don't even think it was Danuser's vision initially. He did however try to make it work.

[Nibelheimy]

It was the vision of multiple people. Heck, I don't even think it was Danuser's vision initially. He did however try to make it work.

And we all know how that turned out.

[Joshuaj]

Now I may have completely misremembered this. But was not some of WoDs lack of content explained as the original expansions plan was to do Legion first, and then WoD. But WoD was swapped around to happen first and lead into Legion, due to WoD containing more characters that featured in the Warcraft movie?

I distinctivley remember this being discussed but cannot remember if there was ever any official indication of such.

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They're one and the same.

Uhm, no? How is it the Progenitors fault the writing failed to properly convey the characters reaction to the afterlife?

[Hitei]

"Voodoo"

Let's at least try to be credible, folks

Are you saying a Night Warrior/Spellbreaker spec being a ranged DPS spec and ressurected Dar'khan leading the defense of Silvermoon aren't credible????

[Joshuaj]

And we all know how that turned out.

Not that good due to Shadowlands going through development hell? Sure. Dragonflight was Danuser's vision tho, and Blizzard considers it a success.

[Reive]

i want blizzard to revamp gilneas and silvermoon. i don't want a neutral hub

[Nibelheimy]

K'aresh reveal, Midnight announcement announcement and hype trains return and we get duped into talking about Shadowlands and first ones yet again.

My god let it end. Post more leaks.

[COBRAstriker]

Midnight Overview
- New Class: Warden
- Mail; 1h Swords/Axes, Daggers, Glaives, Shields, Bows, Guns, and Crossbows
- Runic (Tank) - Hero Talents (Shadow Hunter & Spellbreaker) --> 1h Weapons w/ Shield
- Celestial (RDPS) - Hero Talents (Night Warrior & Spellbreaker) --> Range Weapons
- Voodoo (MDPS) - Hero Talents (Night Warrior & Shadow Hunter) --> Dual-wield 1h Weapons

- Character Creation Revamp
- Players now choose a background for their character which gives new options for creative expression and role-playing potential.
- Backgrounds are both baseline and unlocked through questlines and renowns.
- For example, players can create an Elf and choose the Kaldorei or Sin'dorei backgrounds which are baseline or choose the Quel'dorei Background once unlocked
- Similar with trolls having Darkspear, Farakki, or Zandalari baseline but can unlock Amani through Amani Empire renown.
- Humans can choose different kingdoms or Orcs choose a different clan.
- Many races are paired down (Worgens, Kul Tirans, Humans, and Forsaken all combined into Humanity choosing different kingdoms; IE: Lordaeron --> Forsaken)

- New Zones: World slowly revamped over the course of Midnight and TLT
- Hills of Strom (Pre-Patch)
- Lordaeron --> Kingdom of New Lordaeron (Renown)
- The Eastwald --> The Silver Hand (Renown)
- Marasi Hills --> Amani Empire (Renown)
- Quel'thalas --> Union of Thas'alah (Renown)

- New Raid: Defense of Silvermoon City
- Defend Silvermoon City against the forces of the void led by a resurrected Dar'khan Drathir as they seek a foothold to corrupt the Sunwell.

- New Dungeons:
- Ruins of the Undercity
- Scarlet Citadel
- Caer Darrow
- Tyr's Hand
- Zul'mara Crypts
- Grove of the Loa
- Deatholme
- The Shattered Reef

Don't see any real attempts at a world revamp happening until at least after Last Titan, which presumably will revamp Northrend
Curious where Midnight patches will take place. That one's a wild guess

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i want blizzard to revamp gilneas and silvermoon. i don't want a neutral hub

Silvermoon City for Horde, Exodar moved to EK for Alliance. Velen is one of few that had visions of Renilash. It would make perfect sense for him to be fully involved

[Arcinatoss]

It's starting off real low effort this time.

hah yeah I suppose the others have just started cooking

[Cheezits]

Are you saying a Night Warrior/Spellbreaker spec being a ranged DPS spec and ressurected Dar'khan leading the defense of Silvermoon aren't credible????

Darkhan is one of the few things in that that is credible, especially with Xal momentarily out of the picture.

Scourge, played with the void, and the biggest traitor in Quel'thalas. Makes way more sense to be a baddie than immediately Xal again, and Azshara isn't as much of a personal villain.

[Joshuaj]

K'aresh reveal, Midnight announcement announcement and hype trains return and we get duped into talking about Shadowlands and first ones yet again.

My god let it end. Post more leaks.

Can't talk WoW without the First Ones influence lol. I'll stop talking Shadowlands tho.

God I'm so hyped for Midnight!!!

[Thomir]

I don't think Midnight will add a new class. How much room is there for new classes in WoW anyway? Many of them can just become hero talents now. And since hero talents were advertised as an evergreen feature, I think we'll get a lot of new ones in Midnight as well as extensions to the current ones. Warden, for instance, would work better as a hero talent for Hunter than a new class.

[Monkal]

Are you saying a Night Warrior/Spellbreaker spec being a ranged DPS spec and ressurected Dar'khan leading the defense of Silvermoon aren't credible????

Now you listen here, if there is ONE THING I (wished was true) could believe from that leak is that Dar'khan is coming back.