Midnight 12.X Patches & World Soul Saga Speculation Thread

[snatchr]

Nah they honestly shouldnt. Using that model for a fourth time just isnt exciting..

Third time. We have two currently.

The game is somehow doing just fine with three dwarves, two orcs, two tauren, two gnomes and two draenei.

[Limayria]

Given that 11.2 has what seem like very blatant hints for a new Demon Hunter spec... I'd guess that that'll be one big Midnight feature, with a good chance of it being available early (in 11.2.5 or 11.2.7) if you preorder.

I also think that there's a fair chance that we might actually see more than just that one new spec, and that we might see several Void specs added across a few different classes. There's plenty of different kinds of Void-using heroes that we can't replicate, including the most notable ones. So I could also see us getting a Hunter spec that replicates Alleria, and maybe a pure Cosmic Void caster spec added to Priest or Warlock. Though all three of those would really only fit as DPS, so maybe one of the plate classes could get a kind of Void Knight that I occasionally saw suggested instead of (or in addition to) one of them?

There's also plenty of easy but popular races that they could add, like High Elves and Forest Trolls- even if many here don't really see the need for them, they're still highly requested and would inevitably get a lot of fans. Or they could do Ethereals or Naga, though that would take a lot more work.

I dont think we'd get a bunch of void specs tbh (alleria is a void hunter just like the demon hunter boss becomes btw, she just uses a bow because she used to be a ranger like how allari is a demon hunter who uses a scythe) but I could see new specs being added to a bunch of classes especially after SoD added a bunch of new roles for existing classes and several new playstyles that could easily split into new specs

shaman tank, shockadin dps as a mid range class with some melee abilites, mage healer, rogue tank

i do hope if they add new specs we dont get 1 per class in the same expac tho, weve already seen that if blizzard needs to do something for every class theyre gonna run out of time and phone some stuff in, like we saw with hero talents or artifact weapon secret skins (why is hpals just an overwatch reference..................................................................) and giving us really well designed well integrated new specs would be way better in the long run despite people bitching that their class didnt get anything

THO im also a believer that we could get role changing hero talents, like shaman could easily get turned into a tank spec with a hero talent giving them their primary tank tools (like taunts etc) but still building off the spec skeleton of enchanment, with maelstorm weapon being the key resource of the tank spec but focusing on spending it on self healing and reworking ascednece to be earth ascdenent instead of wind etc; same thing for a bdk dps or prot warrior dps giving us classic wrath BDK or glad stance

this would also be a good chance to reorient the class/specialization/hero talent paradigm potentially expanding hero talents to having slightly more talents and being introduced earlier and unlocked through out the leveling process, kinda allowing a vibe similar to the rift soul trees while opening up a lot more vibes of tanking/healing/dpsing with out needing to create truly new classes/specs

like idk why everyone is so negative this is the most excited ive ever been for WoW content and blizzard has a truly amazing set up for the future between housing, delves and hero talents idk if they'll manage to deliver but i have hope

[Eldryth]

Before we saw the Void DH setup, I'd thought there was a good chance of a Void-focused class in Midnight. Now I think they'll do it though new specs instead.

[Cheezits]

LOL, the Wildhammer gryphons got all the Horde stuff taken out of their descriptions. I wonder if that was an oversight or we will be getting a Horde themed version later?

[Xeladriel]

Good question. Allow me to autism:

Housing is a great feature and can tie into many things.

Buut, the hill I may not be willing to die on, but definitely to kil on is that an expansion needs a new race/ or class to really work.
Let's be honest, expansions live and die by patch cadence. And if the player has an incentive to roll a new character, they run out of content later.
TBC had two new races, with class options unavailable to the faction at that time.
Wrath had a hero class
Cata had two new races and crapton of new class options
MoP had one new race and a new class
WoD had absolutely nothing. It was as well received as expected.
Legion had a new class and technically four new allied races, as those were available during Legion.
BfA...well we know poor BfA got killed by the story, but we also got six new allied races.
Shadowlands got new DK options, a reduced level cap, and the longest wait till a .1. The golden age for FFXIV.
Dragonflight came with a new race with only one, exclusive class options. And a few new monk, warlock and rogue options.
TWW came with a new race and more options for Dracthyr.

I say we are due a proper class. Evoker doesn't really do it, because it is exclusive to one single race and a several of its abilities depend on the user being a dragon.
Crossing that out, the last time we had a new proper class was in Legion. That was freakin ages ago.
So new class, it is.
It has to be elven themed, because Quel'Thalas. Frankly, Warden or Spellbreaker, most likely. Unless they want to turn the Night Warrior into a hero class somehow.
Don't think we will get a new race.
As for new race/class options, the only ones that stillf have room for that are Druids, Shamen, Paladins and Demon Hunters. (Also Evokers, but you know)-

On the topic of a new DH spec, I think there is a fair chance.
1. Midnight reveal in Gamescom, 10 years after the Legion reveal at Gamescom.
2. Legion Remix on the way, to draw our attention to Legion stuff.
3. Demon Hunter is the only class with less than three specs.
4. There is a precedent for Void DH as well as for Demon Hunters that don't use Warglaives
5. The next expansion will be heavily Elvish, and DH is exclusive to Elves for the moment.
6. Illidan is confirmed to return in TLT.

My bet: Night Warrior new class (Midnight, after all)
Demon Hunter extended at least to the allied Elf races
Demon Hunter third spec.

I think the same, housing is good but Midnight NEED have a new class

The 4 expansion that added class were objetively better than the others that no, or at least they tried little bit harder.

WoLtk
MoP
Legion
Dragonflight (most wonky but still better than TWW or Shadowlands)

TWW: Allied Race+Delves+Hero Talents
Midnight: Housing+New Class+Enhanced/Reworked/Revamped Hero talent more like Class Skins.

TLT: Demon Hunter for more races (Illidan will be back 100% sure), and new race(RACE, not Allied Race), return of Class Hall


This is my bet for the trilogy

[Cheezits]

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Gleeful Glamour for Ethereals, first "NPC race" to get one.

[milkmustache]

Before we saw the Void DH setup, I'd thought there was a good chance of a Void-focused class in Midnight. Now I think they'll do it though new specs instead.

I don't think they'll be adding any more specs aside from a Void one for DH, especially if they keep Hero Talents. It's already an okay feature, but on top of having to balance a new spec for every class (assuming you meant this), then there's also hero talents for them. I just don't think it's worth the effort it'll cost.

My preference would be something that wouldn't feel so locked in to the Void aesthetic we're already getting a ton of. I've always liked the notion of a Spellbreaker sort of class to debut in Midnight. A plate or meal wearer that utilizes magic along with melee. Perhaps even arcane/magic shield, heavy bashing and redirects of enemy spells. It could even have a Void/Light/Arcane division for the specs to represent the Thalassian elven magic alignments.

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Gleeful Glamour for Ethereals, first "NPC race" to get one.

I think you're on the money regarding the Wastelanders. I'm not putting away hope yet. It screams 11.2.5 feature to me.

[Bwgmon]

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Gleeful Glamour for Ethereals, first "NPC race" to get one.

Interesting we're getting that on top of the two toys that turn us into Ethereals we got this expansion (the first of which even got a mid-expansion update).

[Xeladriel]

I think that the next class will be plate user, because one of the most controversial of Evoker was the inability to be tanks, and Blizzard know, perhaps the next class will be tank option and for blizzard tank is leather or plate user, we had 2 leathers tank users as class so i think that this time will be plate user, Spellbreaker can be this...tinker either but i no have hope

[Dracullus]

Dragonflight (most wonky but still better than TWW or Shadowlands)

First time I see someone thinking DF is better than TWW. TWW is literally just DF with better theme + delves.

[Joshuaj]

First time I see someone thinking DF is better than TWW. TWW is literally just DF with better theme + delves.

Ngl...the car kinda carried TWW for me lmao

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I fucking love driving

[Xeladriel]

I enjoyed DF very very very more than TWW, could be better theme but DF had better cadence of content and a more gorgeus map

[Wangming]

I think that the next class will be plate user, because one of the most controversial of Evoker was the inability to be tanks, and Blizzard know, perhaps the next class will be tank option and for blizzard tank is leather or plate user, we had 2 leathers tank users as class so i think that this time will be plate user, Spellbreaker can be this...tinker either but i no have hope

It really would fit Spellbreaker, yes. But something about the name feels off. I mean they are part of the lore and well established. But something about the name screams spec to me. Like it fits better how Blizz would name specs than full classes.

[Xeladriel]

It really would fit Spellbreaker, yes. But something about the name feels off. I mean they are part of the lore and well established. But something about the name screams spec to me. Like it fits better how Blizz would name specs than full classes.

What if the name of the class is Void Fighter and the tank spec is Spellbreaker and use arcane energy for tanking and the others uses void energy?

[Wangming]

I enjoyed DF very very very more than TWW, could be better theme but DF had better cadence of content and a more gorgeus map

Having a new Self Contained continent for almost all the adventure really did help.
TWW meanwhile is a bit all over the place.

Explore this island
Now four levels of caves there.
Now this other island
Now this other underground place that is under neither of thise
Now this new planet

Yeah, I'm not a fan either.

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What if the name of the class is Void Fighter and the tank spec is Spellbreaker and use arcane energy for tanking and the others uses void energy?

Still sounds like an FFXIV class or a wow spec.
Windweaver, Brewmasterm Windwalker, Void Fighter

Well it sounds like tha to me, anyway. And I could very well be wrong. Most of the time I try to be very clever with my analysis I end up being wrong.
I think Warden is the most likely, while Night Warrior would be the coolest.

Hey, that reminds me, we still need a plot.
What if Knaifu McFeet antagonises the Elves in hopes of drawing out Elune to either drain her power or to use her as a new, even stronger vessel?
Could provide us with a reason to roll (Mid)Night Warrior.
And it is a more interesting plan than simply fill everything with Void because void is good and Harbinger wants void cause the boss said so.

[Enteroctopus Magnificus]

First time I see someone thinking DF is better than TWW. TWW is literally just DF with better theme + delves.

DF was clearly better. Well, for me.

[JDBlou]

Trading Post Gryphons are now all wildhammer themed... And mention Northeron... Curioser and curioser

[Xeladriel]

DF was clearly better. Well, for me.

The expansions that i enjoy more were that 4. Each one added a class

Anda the expansions that i didnt enjoy was WoD and Shadowlands, each one not added class neither race

TBC, BFA, Cata and TWW in middle of the table

It might not be simple chance


Anyways, I have always had the feeling that those that add class are done with more desire.

[Enteroctopus Magnificus]

Buut, the hill I may not be willing to die on, but definitely to kil on is that an expansion needs a new race/ or class to really work.

midnight SHOULD have a new class

I think the same, housing is good but Midnight NEED have a new class

Yeah, I agree. Without class or race, expansions are bland. If Midnight is to be one of the great expansions, it needs a new class.

A void class? If the void dh comes out, I don't really believe it. A magic class like a spellblade or a bard would work better in this case.

[Xeladriel]

Bard but only can be played in Neighborhoods