Midnight 12.X Patches & World Soul Saga Speculation Thread

[Hitei]

Nice to see we'll be getting a decent number of room structure pieces like windows and stairs.

[Bwgmon]

I'm extremely curious to know just how much shit there's going to be to pick from.

[Nibelheimy]

I love the "leak" that everybody immediately dismissed as low effort now has some sort of mad semi credibility due to the gryphon descriptions getting changed to have a location in it that is an anagram of the leakers mmo champ name just a few hours later, and its probably just a massive coincidence.

Leak season always delivers.

[Marlamin]

I love the "leak" that everybody immediately dismissed as low effort now has some sort of mad semi credibility due to the gryphon descriptions getting changed to have a location in it that is an anagram of the leakers mmo champ name just a few hours later, and its probably just a massive coincidence.

Leak season always delivers.

Not the only leak to mention Northeron. Might be more.

We need ercarp back for a spreadsheet.

Although, reveal in August so not that much time to go.

[Cheezits]

You know why I don't want it to be Northeron? Because it should be Lordaeron. Simple as that.

[Limayria]

Northeron being mentioned... That's another hint pointing to a full northern EK revamp. It seems that the Wildhammer Clan would have a decent present in Midnight. I don't see them as an Allied Race, especially since we already have some Wildhammer customization options and Earthen were just introduced.

Maybe a hint of more customization options? Hopefully a revamp of the Race/Allied Race system?

Regarding new specs... I also used to think that Blizzard might include several at a time, but we are just kidding ourselves. It won't happen. Especially with how Hero Talents work.

In 20 years they have introduced ONE new spec to an existing class (Augmentation Evoker).

I would dare to say that Void DH won't happen in TWW unless is just a Class Skin. We have Aldrachi and Fel-Scarred Hero Talent Trees for DH. If they introduce a new spec, not only they have to create a NEW Hero Talent Tree for DHs, but they also would have to subtract one of the existing ones from either Havoc or Vengeance to be replaced for the new one.

The only option of Void DH being a spec is that it comes in Midnight along with a revision of the Hero Talents. For it to be in TWW as current Hero Talents work with specs would be impossible, and I don't see how they could make it work otherwise mid-expansion.

This is such a non issue from the DH side

move AR to the new spec and then give new spec + havoc a blade dance focused tree reusing the tww season 1 bonus for it and giving blade dance an extra charge

so then we have havoc which can choose to focus on weapon attacks (blade dance tree) or fel magic (fel scared) and the new spec which will persumably be more focused on non meta associated hooks which have been languishing and dissappearing every single update to DH since legion, so stuff like glaive tempest or the throw glaive talent suite, and then having their hero talents focus on a throw glaive style (AR) or a blade dance/melee style (the new havoc shared tree) with AR focusing on 3 target cleave and funnel damage and the blade dance tree focusing more on single target damage (through things like first blood etc buffing the primary target of blade dance) and shoring up sustained AoE by allowing you to blade dance more often, while also not competeing with Fel scared giga burst AoE


while refocusing the talent trees you could also improve the hero talents a lot, havoc with more of a focus on things like sigil of fire or an updated fel barrage would also allow Fel scared to stand out more as a tree giving a lot more value to stuff like the fury increase


they could also very easily release the spec in the prepatch, or this could be an indication that some specs will have 3+ hero talent options in midnight which also makes a ton of sense, its kinda silly people think that hero talents are just "talent trees 2" and were gonna keep expanding and reworking existing options instead of expanding the choices they offer

Well, yes and no... they also split Feral and Guardian in MoP.

I think this is gonna be more of the model for the new dh spec splitting the competing playstyles to allow both the themes and gameplay elements more room to breathe and exist and help stop some of the flip flopping of "oh youre playing a full mover sigil of flame immo aura build now" to "youre playing (essentially) no mover glaive throwing focused build now" etc its not quite the same as the tension between bear and cat and the issues but it has similar design problems that any further expansion of havoc as a spec will start running into soon where theres a lot of themes with conflicting game play considerations and themes

[milkmustache]

You know why I don't want it to be Northeron? Because it should be Lordaeron. Simple as that.

Unless Northeron is retconned into a brand new zone (i.e, that icy zone that was mentioned somewhere), I would hate to see it be parts of Lordaeron. I think Lordaeron fully deserves it's own zone as iconic as it is.

Maybe Northern is going to encompass the Plaguelands + Hinterlands? Sort of extend the Hinterlands north into the eastern part of EP, have it culturally connect to Zul'aman. The rest of the Plaguelands can be a staging ground for the Light maybe?

[Viridiel]

I love the "leak" that everybody immediately dismissed as low effort now has some sort of mad semi credibility due to the gryphon descriptions getting changed to have a location in it that is an anagram of the leakers mmo champ name just a few hours later, and its probably just a massive coincidence.

Leak season always delivers.

People have been mentioning Northeron as a zone for Quel'thalas since it was first announced, apparently ignorant of the fact that its (original) location was revealed in Cataclysm. For some reason I've seen a lot of people placing it at the area north of Stratholme, maybe confusing it with the "Northlands" from WC2, or maybe reanalysing it as a portmanteau of "north" and "Lordaeron".

At any rate, it's almost certainly a coincidence.

[Nibelheimy]

Not the only leak to mention Northeron. Might be more.

We need ercarp back for a spreadsheet.

Although, reveal in August so not that much time to go.

I do particularly like this one, it's pretty dead on the nose what I'd expect to come. Granted its pretty simple and realistically similar to what we'd end up getting if it wasn't true.

[Teriz]

I have a feeling that people wanting playable Ethereals might be sorely disappointed.

[milkmustache]

I have a feeling that people wanting playable Ethereals might be sorely disappointed.

I'd normally agree with the new models not being ready for players, but the Gleeful Glamour is damning. There's no reason for them to add Ethereals, but not Brokers as the exception for an item that is only for playable races, especially when we've just been given 2 separate toys that give us the appearnce of an Ethereal.

[Hitei]

I do particularly like this one, it's pretty dead on the nose what I'd expect to come. Granted its pretty simple and realistically similar to what we'd end up getting if it wasn't true.

I mean, of course it's pretty dead on, we already know most of the things on that list are 99.999% happening.

[Nightshade711]

I'd normally agree with the new models not being ready for players, but the Gleeful Glamour is damning. There's no reason for them to add Ethereals, but not Brokers as the exception for an item that is only for playable races, especially when we've just been given 2 separate toys that give us the appearnce of an Ethereal.

Agreed.

I haven’t seen how it’s obtained yet though.
If it’s just added to the current enchanting talent then they’re practically guaranteed to be playable I’d imagine.

[Hitei]

I'd normally agree with the new models not being ready for players, but the Gleeful Glamour is damning. There's no reason for them to add Ethereals, but not Brokers as the exception for an item that is only for playable races

People aren't complaining about having wanted to play Brokers.

[13last]

Mostly agree (if the Void DH ends up being a spec), although I don't know how much Hero Talents could be expanded without turning them practically into new specs... Maybe their development would be mostly cosmetic? They could mix the concepts of Hero Talents and Class Skins easily, so we'll see.

Also very much doubt that Spellbreakers would be a new class.

I don't see a new class for Midnight (happy to be wrong in this one, though).

I'm firmly in the camp that they will introduce class skins either midnight or last titan. I feel like maybe mixing them with hero talents like you said and we can have a bunch of them without introducing new classes. Balancing new classes wouldn't be that fun. I personally think Hero talents/class skins would add so much then a new class.

Then again I could be wrong but if I'm taking into account that this saga is ending 20 years of warcraft with it, I think Blizzard will go all out as a love letter to a lot of us veterans.

[Merryck]

I think Blizzard were not prepared to making Ethereals playable until, like the interview suggested, they heard enough player support. And by adding them to the Gleeful Glamour, they're giving us a hint that they're now working on them.

[Nightshade711]

I think Blizzard were not prepared to making Ethereals playable until, like the interview suggested, they heard enough player support. And by adding them to the Gleeful Glamour, they're giving us a hint that they're now working on them.

To be fair, they’ve used the exact same wording of “no plans” before for things that have been added.
Such as the Evoker third spec.

[Bwgmon]

To be fair, they’ve used the exact same wording of “no plans” before for things that have been added.
Such as the Evoker third spec.

I've said it a few times before, but iirc they also did the same with the Legion Allied Races, when their names were datamined on the playable race list

[Hitei]

To be fair, they’ve used the exact same wording of “no plans” before for things that have been added.
Such as the Evoker third spec.

I believe what was actually specifically said re: Aug was that there was "no secret third spec in 10.1."

[milkmustache]

People aren't complaining about having wanted to play Brokers.

Not sure what you mean by this, but my point was that after we have multiple toys with Ethereal transformations, adding a third one for them in this form is highly suspect, especially excluding Brokers who are just as represented, if not more, as K'areshis in 11.2.

In fact, there's a completely different toy that allows you to transform into a Broker.

So what I meant was that adding Ethereal as an option to a transformation item that only uses playable races may be a coincidence if Brokers were also added as they both dominate this patch. One and not the other is far more suspect and a pretty strong indication in my opinion.