Midnight 12.X Patches & World Soul Saga Speculation Thread

[milkmustache]

Is it my impression or is all the hype for the trilogy in Midnight? because in my case I'm even more interested than TLT without TLT being of little interest to me.

After Dragonflight and TWW, I admit I'm a little uninterested in more Titan stuff, but the excitement for a revamped Northrend sort of overrides that. I'd gladly welcome a far deeper dive into the Utgarde clans of Vrykul, the remaining Scourge, and whatever else comes with it. I suppose seeing the Titans in their true form will be a great addition. I have faith they'll balance it out well.

[Cheezits]

TLT is very likely going to carried by its gameplay over the theme IMO, like Legion (besides Suramar). Hope you like Vrykul!

I think TWW hit a strangely unexpected balance of theme and gameplay being good. Quelthalas theme will be amazing unless they are insane, Scourge/Amani/Thalassian by itself is a great toy box before Void, and you can only improve the gameplay additions TWW introduced.

[Nymrohd]

I dunno, he's just wearing the Judgement set, but with flat shoulders (though, i do find them ugly) and slightly different belt.

His hairstyle is a choice, but since that art is a bit weird, it might look better in-game.

It's more that he looks like a cross between his mother and a butch lesbian. But with a goatee. There is nothing half about him being an elf. And we've seen how they thing half-elves should look from Kalecgos. I hope that in game he will look more like Kalec than this. It's not the first time that cover art is different than in game art after all.

[Wangming]

Pointing out quite literally the obvious. What a bore you must be.

I mean, you'd think a fake leak would sound impressive, but this really does sounds like a bore.
One would hop the real one from Blizz is more creative.

[Nibelheimy]

Counterpoint to the "don't change things people love" thing, parts like EPL, Stratholme, the barrens fissures and deathwings scars definitely should heal. But no more zone theme changes.

I absolutely agree. I guess I'm a bit of a hypocrite on this because I'd love to see some healing, but I'm sure there are people out there who love them the way they are.

I'm more so heartbroken by vale of eternal blossoms, and I still didn't really get to see it as it was in remix.

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After Dragonflight and TWW, I admit I'm a little uninterested in more Titan stuff, but the excitement for a revamped Northrend sort of overrides that. I'd gladly welcome a far deeper dive into the Utgarde clans of Vrykul, the remaining Scourge, and whatever else comes with it. I suppose seeing the Titans in their true form will be a great addition. I have faith they'll balance it out well.

If class halls do return, I'm hoping for Utgarde keep as the warrior one.

[Joshuaj]

I'm definitely more interested in a shadow themed, creepy expansion and a Quel"Thalas revamp that has been overdue ever since they decided that it won't connect to the main continent in TBC than more Titan stuff. I dunno, I never saw the appeal.

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Ahn Quiraj had twin emperors, the light will have twink emperors.

Lmaooo that's funny

[Holdodlig]

I'd say that any "leak" not pointing towards world tier / open world revamp isn't credible as we're expected to get this during Legion Remix. It's pretty certain that Legion Remix is just going to be a "test" phase for deeper open world content.

[Khaza-R]

Beautiful. We need something with Scarlets though and the whole false Menethil heir propaganda

[Cheezits]

I'd say that any "leak" not pointing towards world tier / open world revamp isn't credible as we're expected to get this during Legion Remix. It's pretty certain that Legion Remix is just going to be a "test" phase for deeper open world content.

Yeah, I am very excited for world tiers. Give it delve-type rewards and I would hardly go in an instance.

[Wangming]

I'd say that any "leak" not pointing towards world tier / open world revamp isn't credible as we're expected to get this during Legion Remix. It's pretty certain that Legion Remix is just going to be a "test" phase for deeper open world content.

Hmmm. Care to ellaborate?

[Zers Editor]

How about throwing smiling Anduin (after he saves Khadgar) in into the lower left corner (with the question mark, too).

[milkmustache]

I absolutely agree. I guess I'm a bit of a hypocrite on this because I'd love to see some healing, but I'm sure there are people out there who love them the way they are.

I'm more so heartbroken by vale of eternal blossoms, and I still didn't really get to see it as it was in remix.

If class halls do return, I'm hoping for Utgarde keep as the warrior one.

Because the world feels stale without it! It's okay to have these older versions of the zones, but it's only natural for them to progress. I think it'd be nice to experience new stories and adventures in lands we already love, which is why the revamp is good. Utgarde would be good for the warriors, but I hope it'd be a massive improvement on what they had in Legion.

[Cheezits]

If they do order halls in TLT i don't think it will be Vrykul again as they will be both a renown and enemy force. Order hall would be overkill.

[Nibelheimy]

If they do order halls in TLT i don't think it will be Vrykul again as they will be both a renown and enemy force. Order hall would be overkill.

I suppose with how incredibly likely it is for Odyn to link back the halls of valor with Ulduar that could also be a continued order hall for warriors, though I can also see Odyn as our first raid tier if he's not on our side this time.

[Cheezits]

I suppose with how incredibly likely it is for Odyn to link back the halls of valor with Ulduar that could also be a continued order hall for warriors, though I can also see Odyn as our first raid tier if he's not on our side this time.

I will be shocked if Odyn is not the main focal antagonist for the Keepers/Titans fighting against us. He checks all the boxes on "one bad day until he snaps" and is the boss of all the keepers who could force them to be antagonists, possibly magically. Also overlord of the Vrykul who will likely be the most important race in the expansion.

[Lady Atia]

I will be shocked if Odyn is not the main focal antagonist for the Keepers/Titans fighting against us. He checks all the boxes on "one bad day until he snaps" and is the boss of all the keepers who could force them to be antagonists, possibly magically.

Yeah, I would guess Odyn for the first Raid (this time he isn't just playing with us), than a side tier maybe with Iridikron if he isn't our ally and Amanthul for the Final Boss.

[Joshuaj]

Yeah, I would guess Odyn for the first Raid (this time he isn't just playing with us), than a side tier maybe with Iridikron if he isn't our ally and Amanthul for the Final Boss.

Doesn't he literally use his full power on us in the Trial of Valor raid tho?

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Or, at the very least, he showcases his true power?

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Lemme tell ya what I wanna see:

First raid: Chromatus, Odyn, or Helya as the final boss.

Second raid: We battle the Titans in an ultimate trial that ends in a climactic clash with the Dark Titan himself (The Titans Vs The Champions imbued with the power of Azeroth's Worldsoul)

Third raid and post-raid stuff: Iridikron overwhelms the Titans, but Azeroth amplifies the Champions, and they're the ones to stop Iridikron. The Titans see that the Champions are more than capable of protecting the Prime Worldsoul, so they say their final goodbyes and leave Azeroth.

[Dracullus]

Odyn deserve to be demoted to delve boss in TLT. While still pretending hes big deal.

[Joshuaj]

Odyn deserve to be demoted to delve boss in TLT. While still pretending hes big deal.

I mean...he kinda is the Prime Designate of the Keepers.

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And by kinda, I mean literally.

[Limayria]

It's more that he looks like a cross between his mother and a butch lesbian. But with a goatee. There is nothing half about him being an elf. And we've seen how they thing half-elves should look from Kalecgos. I hope that in game he will look more like Kalec than this. It's not the first time that cover art is different than in game art after all.

I hope to God they don't ruin that Twink with facial hair

Because the world feels stale without it! It's okay to have these older versions of the zones, but it's only natural for them to progress. I think it'd be nice to experience new stories and adventures in lands we already love, which is why the revamp is good. Utgarde would be good for the warriors, but I hope it'd be a massive improvement on what they had in Legion.

This is a big reason why I want delves in the future to be more like scenarios, in being a thing that takes place in a version of an existing zone so we could at the very least get small updated chunks of these zones to help the world not feel stuck in a bunch of different time zones especially because in theory since delves are designed to scale season to season they could most likely also scale expac to expac fairly easily, so once you start adding these delves around the entire world they can be ever green

Needless to say you'd need to revamp the bountiful system which would also be fine, you're already limited via keys for gear and everything else could just be bountiful till you run the delve once or already run 4 bountiful delves that reset or w/e

But im a big advocate for reusing older raids/dungeons/zones as a meaningful part of the end game in general like how they added the bed anniversary raid I'd really like to see a time walking raid for ever time walking and having every season's .5 patch enabling one of those raids for the entire back half of the season along with the time walking dungeons (and their weekly quest now for normal mode loot from the tw raid) and some world quest scattered around a "shattered timeline" version of the continent where the expac took place

Once the season ends the world quest and stuff could even stay available just scaled to the season they were introduced in until that specific time walking .5 patch cycles around again where everything gets updated

So eventually we'd have world quest over the entire world which were honestly not that far off rn, especially with how cata/WoD/mop have really obvious daily -> world quest conversions