Midnight 12.X Patches & World Soul Saga Speculation Thread

[Alanar]

Nice one! Both made it!

[milkmustache]

I hope to God they don't ruin that Twink with facial hair

Bad news for you.

[Enteroctopus Magnificus]

I can't wait to see a close-up of Anduin's feet in the cinematic. Xal's are ugly.

[Limayria]

Bad news for you.

I know I'm just hoping that's only for the ugly book artwork why would anyone think an elf should have a goatee ;~;

[Jolly Roger]

the only way i see chromatus making a return is IF iridikron decides to awaken him
TLT isnt going to be as hype because it is so far away and midnight is set to have a highly anticipated storyline

but for TLT we can assume
iridikron gathers counters to many of our forces
chromatus=aspect counter
void=light counter
nagas=counter to mages and magic
remnants of legion=counter to army of the light
himself (powered up)=counter to keepers

midnight is essentially already set up
Xal now buffed and a possibly turned Alleria along with ashzara represent the immediate threat to unleash whatever is beneath the sunwell (5th old god?) and given Xal's track record absorb it.
the arathi empire comes in and we get a radical and even golden emperor that we must kill
the red dawn also make an appearance as they allied themselves with the emperor and we get the menethil reveal and faerin takes the throne of the arathi
the weird wood trolls that we got in this expansion get more flushed out and the rootlands become a troll sanctuary
arator fulfills his role as the child of light and shadow
alliance mends bridge with the blood elves

[Cheezits]

Iri is not final boss material. I like him, but if we are going to old world and doing old world stories he isn't going to be on a higher rank than Odyn, Aman'thul, Denathrius, Azshara, Sargeras, etc.

I would be down with Harrowsdeep being .1 but definitely not .2.

[Alanar]

TLT, Hope you like Vrykul!

Yes we do!!

If Odyn goes againts us, this would lend an even better opportunity for the Vrykul being made playable.
Sigryn and her Vrykul could play a major role and ending up not standing behind Odyn hes cause and looking to join the horde or alliance or neautral w/e.

[Merryck]

Iri is not final boss material. I like him, but if we are going to old world and doing old world stories he isn't going to be on a higher rank than Odyn, Aman'thul, Denathrius, Azshara, Sargeras, etc.

I would be down with Harrowsdeep being .1 but definitely not .2.

Well, Blizzard fucked up the power scale by having Vyranoth snap her fingers and instantly freeze Odyn. They threw away any chance of Odyn being a serious boss or character so that Vyranoth could have a girl boss moment.

[Alanar]

I know I'm just hoping that's only for the ugly book artwork why would anyone think an elf should have a goatee ;~;

Man, have you seen the hair cut and the (I guess) jewelry on hes bald spots? Terrible. The goate or any facial hair on blood elves just makes it worse, it just doesnt fit, give the arcane or runic scars, like the tbc art. Not sure what is going on there, but this aint it.

Better yet, give blood elves runic scars for costumization. People probably know which art I am talking about.

[Limayria]

Iri is not final boss material. I like him, but if we are going to old world and doing old world stories he isn't going to be on a higher rank than Odyn, Aman'thul, Denathrius, Azshara, Sargeras, etc.

I would be down with Harrowsdeep being .1 but definitely not .2.

I don't even think he's gonna be a villain, I think he's gonna be also working against the titans but not with us persay I'm also like 70% sure we're gonna get a Skyrim intro style scene where the titans are gonna blame us for what happens to Azeroth and they're gonna get ready to kill us but then iridkron is gonna show up and be like "thank you champions for drawing these cowards out" and then kill or seriously wound one of the titans buying us a chance to escape; this makes all the titans and keepers think we're working together (I bet Xal is also gonna help save us here) as a basic set up; harrowsdeep might even end up being our player hub/safe haven

Man, have you seen the hair cut and the (I guess) jewelry on hes bald spots? And the goate makes it even worse. Not sure what is going on there, but he aint cooling cool imo.

It's insane how bad wow artist are at making cute twink elves give that boy a clean shave and a wolf cut stat

[Charokee]

Yes we do!!

If Odyn goes againts us, this would lend an even better opportunity for the Vrykul being made playable.
Sigryn and her Vrykul could play a major role and ending up not standing behind Odyn hes cause and looking to join the horde or alliance or neautral w/e.

you just got me hyped for TLT! blizzard! we need playable vrykul!

[Nibelheimy]

I don't even think he's gonna be a villain, I think he's gonna be also working against the titans but not with us persay I'm also like 70% sure we're gonna get a Skyrim intro style scene where the titans are gonna blame us for what happens to Azeroth and they're gonna get ready to kill us but then iridkron is gonna show up and be like "thank you champions for drawing these cowards out" and then kill or seriously wound one of the titans buying us a chance to escape; this makes all the titans and keepers think we're working together (I bet Xal is also gonna help save us here) as a basic set up; harrowsdeep might even end up being our player hub/safe haven

I feel similar. I think the release cinematic for TLT will be beyond big budget. I see a collection of heroes, maybe brann or Magni as the character summoning the Titans, maybe even Odyn or Algalon (constellar would look stunning in full cinematic style). With the titans arriving, and being destroyed by Iridikron.

I then hope he has a Thanos moment and just sits in his lair with his mission a success. I'd design him as a super hard end boss that is near impossible to complete first tier, but you're welcome to waste time on it if you choose and he'll gladly take you up on it if you target him. Something that would get gradually easier as the expansion progresses until its a more fair, very hard fight. Purely for bragging rights. He's got what he wanted and doesn't really seem to care about anything else.

[milkmustache]

I don't even think he's gonna be a villain, I think he's gonna be also working against the titans but not with us persay I'm also like 70% sure we're gonna get a Skyrim intro style scene where the titans are gonna blame us for what happens to Azeroth and they're gonna get ready to kill us but then iridkron is gonna show up and be like "thank you champions for drawing these cowards out" and then kill or seriously wound one of the titans buying us a chance to escape; this makes all the titans and keepers think we're working together (I bet Xal is also gonna help save us here) as a basic set up; harrowsdeep might even end up being our player hub/safe haven

It's insane how bad wow artist are at making cute twink elves give that boy a clean shave and a wolf cut stat

I think if anyting, Iridikron will kill a Titan in the opening of the expansion, be first raid end boss, then flip to our side. Blizzard loves villain to hero flips.

Also re; haircut. Best Blizz can do is yet another shaved side undercut with tattoos and a few strands a different color.

[Cheezits]

Well, Blizzard fucked up the power scale by having Vyranoth snap her fingers and instantly freeze Odyn. They threw away any chance of Odyn being a serious boss or character so that Vyranoth could have a girl boss moment.

I was fine with it as it was the only moment where one of the Primalist leaders actually did anything impressive. Like, that's how powerful they SHOULD be, but because DF was carebear adventures we barely got that.

Also would be fun if Odyn straight up attacks her before Alex for that very reason.

[Wangming]

Well, Blizzard fucked up the power scale by having Vyranoth snap her fingers and instantly freeze Odyn. They threw away any chance of Odyn being a serious boss or character so that Vyranoth could have a girl boss moment.

It's not really about the power scale. More like an old world confrontation against established forces to book end the first 35 or so years of WarCraft.

Stoney boy with a grudge who first showed up ten expansions into WoW, isn't really the right person for the job. Same was the Jailer wasn't a good concept for the previous attempt to tie everything together.

[Eldryth]

Iridikron, Odyn, and Aman'thul all fit as end bosses of individual raids, and Aman'thul could work as the final boss of the expansion... but I still get the feeling that this era will end with us finally fighting Sargeras. Especially since Illidan and his sword have both been teased for TLT, and it's hard to see how the Titans could return without them.

Assuming the now-usual three raid tiers, I think Odyn will probably be the one who doesn't become an end boss- as Aman'Thul's prime servant, he'd be a little redundant, so I could see him becoming a dungeon boss, a boss in Aman'Thul's raid, or even a delve nemesis instead. Though I'd guess that him being in Aman'Thul's raid would be the most likely of those three options.

[Cheezits]

Iridikron, Odyn, and Aman'thul all fit as end bosses of individual raids, and Aman'thul could work as the final boss of the expansion... but I still get the feeling that this era will end with us finally fighting Sargeras. Especially since Illidan and his sword have both been teased for TLT, and it's hard to see how the Titans could return without them.

Assuming the now-usual three raid tiers, I think Odyn will probably be the one who doesn't become an end boss- as Aman'Thul's prime servant, he'd be a little redundant, so I could see him becoming a dungeon boss, a boss in Aman'Thul's raid, or even a delve nemesis instead. Though I'd guess that him being in Aman'Thul's raid would be the most likely of those three options.

Thing is that I would even prefer Odyn as a final boss of an "Aman'thul raid" though it would be an honest moment if he, along with the other titans, got armored up to deal with us. I can see him having a sick time themed outfit. Scythe would be cool for father time, but we already did that.

[Limayria]

Iridikron, Odyn, and Aman'thul all fit as end bosses of individual raids, and Aman'thul could work as the final boss of the expansion... but I still get the feeling that this era will end with us finally fighting Sargeras. Especially since Illidan and his sword have both been teased for TLT, and it's hard to see how the Titans could return without them.

Assuming the now-usual three raid tiers, I think Odyn will probably be the one who doesn't become an end boss- as Aman'Thul's prime servant, he'd be a little redundant, so I could see him becoming a dungeon boss, a boss in Aman'Thul's raid, or even a delve nemesis instead. Though I'd guess that him being in Aman'Thul's raid would be the most likely of those three options.

I really really hope Illidan is a villain in TLT tbh, him deciding that the titans are right and whatever's gone wrong on azeroth is too big of a threat could be an interesting twist; and we could have a story line in midnight of the illidari finding a new identity in their kinship with the rendorei and then having them confront Illidan

Because the illidari were basically a cult who worshiped Illidan and then they brought up back and fulfilled his ambition to destroy the legion and he just unceremoniously abandoned them at a time when they would need guidance the most, people who literally ripped out their eyes and stained their souls to defeat the legion; and now the legions defeated what is there to do, similar in story beats to Sylvanas after Arthas. Which these types of stories are the best elf stories imo exploring the anxiety and listlessness of people who devoted so much to something and now it's gone

You could even tie maiev into this story beat bringing up her whole "the huntress is nothing with out the hunt" and having her reflect on how her reckless pursuit is what got her girlfriend killed in the ToS back in warcraft 3

[Wangming]

I really really hope Illidan is a villain in TLT tbh, him deciding that the titans are right and whatever's gone wrong on azeroth is too big of a threat could be an interesting twist; and we could have a story line in midnight of the illidari finding a new identity in their kinship with the rendorei and then having them confront Illidan

Because the illidari were basically a cult who worshiped Illidan and then they brought up back and fulfilled his ambition to destroy the legion and he just unceremoniously abandoned them at a time when they would need guidance the most, people who literally ripped out their eyes and stained their souls to defeat the legion; and now the legions defeated what is there to do, similar in story beats to Sylvanas after Arthas. Which these types of stories are the best elf stories imo exploring the anxiety and listlessness of people who devoted so much to something and now it's gone

You could even tie maiev into this story beat bringing up her whole "the huntress is nothing with out the hunt" and having her reflect on how her reckless pursuit is what got her girlfriend killed in the ToS back in warcraft 3

I mean, isn't he basically a prison for Sargeras? Imagine if it is sort of a Gollums - Smeagol situation. Who knows they can make Illidan's eyes and perhaps even Tattoo glow with a different colour when Sargeras is in control. And the big question is, who will win in the end? Who gets final control of the body? Is it possible to save Illidan and permanently kill off Sargeras at the same time? Wait and see.

[Enteroctopus Magnificus]

Guys, Midnight is going to be revealed in 2 months and you're talking about TLT... come on.