Midnight 12.X Patches & World Soul Saga Speculation Thread

[Joshuaj]

I do think it's too soon to see Sylvanus again, it will make her 'punishment' almost meaningless.

However, if she's not brought back for a defense with Silvermoon then there probably won't be another good time to do it.

As Silvermoon was decimated by the undead at one point, it would be interesting to see the dead in some way be part of its new defence.

I can however see necromancy possibly returning into focus this expansion, the recent kirin tor questline with Kel felt a little out of left field. With the void supposedly fearing Death. It would make sense.

I do imagine one delve will be focused on exploring Amani catacombs.

There are quite a few little threads that could lead to a storyline with necormancy. I can see Ghostlands having that focus.

You act like her aiding us in Midnight means her punishment is over...

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Frankly, I don't understand why you're asking for more. Class Halls are horrible for class themes. Let them die and be forgotten for the sake of fantasy, dammit.

That...is a rare take

[Lahis]

That...is a rare take

Class Halls worked better for some classes than for others. Depends on the overall class fantasy.

Earthen Ring shamans, Dreamgrove Druids, Tirisfallen Mages, Council of the Black Harvest Warlocks are worked fine in their class orders. But forcing every hunter to be a Night Elf Sentinel and every Paladin to be Human Paladin worked less well.

[Nymrohd]

If they do class halls they should be an evergreen feature that is integrated into leveling. Imo leveling should take you through 2-3 race themed zones with storylines that focus on world building and main racial themes but stay away from the current story with intermissions tied to class themes, possibly using a class hall. After that you should be ready to get into the current expansion experience regardless of what the current max level is; the starting experience should just be adjusted to always get you to the current starting level.

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Class Halls worked better for some classes than for others. Depends on the overall class fantasy.

Earthen Ring shamans, Dreamgrove Druids, Tirisfallen Mages, Council of the Black Harvest Warlocks are worked fine in their class orders. But forcing every hunter to be a Night Elf Sentinel and every Paladin to be Human Paladin worked less well.

I still think there was a way to do it, they just didn't pick the right way. An organization of knightly orders with all Paladin orders represented under their own themes with their own chapter houses, a Conclave of the Priesthoods that works similarly, a great hunting lodge, all can work.

[Auxis]

I do think it's too soon to see Sylvanus again, it will make her 'punishment' almost meaningless.

However, if she's not brought back for a defense with Silvermoon then there probably won't be another good time to do it.

I could see it as a way for the Eternal Ones to repay they debt to us, while also ensuring the Cycle of Life and Death remains, because if Void wins there will be no cycle, in theory at least: Lend us a force of willing elven souls to defend their homelands, while also doing their part to stave off something that would upset the balance.

I can't imagine they'd let Sylvanas or any of the other souls stay - they are dead after all, not really sure if Sylvanas is dead dead yet or not but she is still serving her sentence unless she's managed to collect all of the souls in the Maw.

[Alanar]

Btw have dataminers figured what is changing about Brewfest? Any new instances or area changes?

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I mean she could have simply not found him yet. And the idea of a ghost charge is that they are only there for one battle. Perhaps this is even a quest for Kael'thas from the other Harvesters; he can help in one battle but after that he must willingly return to the Shadowlands.

Sure, but since the other souls like Anastarian were in the same room it seems unlikely. Anyway, I guess sure it could be that these soul crystsls are now scattered for example after the defeat of Zovaal and she still looking.

I agree, if it becomes this lotr return of the king situation, they could just have a small hero role moment and thats that. Personally I do find it a bit dissapointing for certain characters to receive such a role. Kael'thad could simply return to revendreth, because he was only allowed to help silvermoon, but I agree that the defencr of Silvermoon is the perfect situation for certain characters to show up.

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You act like her aiding us in Midnight means her punishment is over...

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That...is a rare take

Good point. No one is saying her punishment is over.
She could act all like Kael"thas and is purely there for Silvermoon. This whole void attack and saving it would älso benefit death and more I would think

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I hate nathanos because he's part of "all the wind runner sisters are our hot elf girl friends" trend where all three of them ended up with a human boytoy who's also extra special in every way

Like they didn't even play with the interesting troupes of elf/human romance even when perfect opportunities pop up, for example turyalon and Alleria. It'd have been perfect for turyalon to have a heroic sacrifice in legion after talking with Alleria about how he got so much more time with her than he could have ever hoped for because of their time with the AoL


I also freaking love Zenos he's my favorite character in ff14 I think

Ye, sadly it was hinted way back, even before hes short story, that there was more then just her personal bodyguard. Sadly I agree that this toyboy thing started to irritate me as well, because every sister has one.
While the hate is there, to me the hate is more towards the problem of the forsaken in general and that is that everything was about Sylvanas and not about other characters. Nathanos could have simply had hes own story and things to do, but every move was for her in the end. Like I said, despite our grudges, he remained consistant. Just sad they went for "my love"

[Makorus]

Replaying Classic, I just don't see how Class Halls have a purpose other than "a place where you can be".

Any type of "class roleplay" so to say has been gutted long ago. Have you talked to a trainer recently? Or in the last 10 years? It made sense in Legion because the systems were intertwined with the Order Halls. I don't see how that works as an evergreen feature.


Like, people say they want them back, but what will they be other than the current class halls? Feels very much like a thing that is cooler in concept than reality.

[Kilpi]

It’s honestly bizarre to me they still haven’t opened up the visage to every race. Sometimes they pick the weirdest hills to die on.


I also just read the datamined conversation between Alleria and Ve’nari and I’m very disappointed tbh. Entirely predictable and not remotely interesting imo..

They even have a quest about the visage for an NPC, and based on that quest the visage should be even possible to be either body type regardless what the character is.

[doledippers]

Replaying Classic, I just don't see how Class Halls have a purpose other than "a place where you can be".

Any type of "class roleplay" so to say has been gutted long ago. Have you talked to a trainer recently? Or in the last 10 years? It made sense in Legion because the systems were intertwined with the Order Halls. I don't see how that works as an evergreen feature.


Like, people say they want them back, but what will they be other than the current class halls? Feels very much like a thing that is cooler in concept than reality.

i kinda agree, the questlines are cool but ur not gonna see people hanging out in them especially in remix when u can go plow over raids like nothing. im happy to be wrong but i dont see it

[Kilpi]

Disagree.

I think that Class Halls should be their own thing, like in Legion, all around the world but expanded.

Of course, if Silvermoon ends up being the main city of Midnight, it should have portals to all these places.

Class halls could've been a great evergreen feature (without the players being any sort of leaders, that was stupid).

[Sondrelk]

Class halls could've been a great evergreen feature (without the players being any sort of leaders, that was stupid).

I think the issue with that is the clear disparity between them. There just isnt any way to argue that a nowhere place like Netherlight Temple is in any way as iconic, memorable location, and for a lack of better term, evergreen location as Light's Hope Chapel for instance.

Of course, they could have just had players live with it. But it would have felt bad if some classes got somewhere really iconic that fits the class and adds something to gameplay like Druids. And others got nothing.

[Cheezits]

Also not all the Class Hall questlines were given the same amount of polish, development and importance. They shouldn't do Class Halls again if they don't have the ability to make all the questlines as engaging as the Paladin/Death Knight campaigns from Legion.

Monk, Hunter and Warrior were ROUGH. Priests were essentially dainty princesses that needed to be saved by the Paladins.

Ironically I think Evokers would have a lot to do in a TLT class hall especially with Iridikron and all the aspects being present, plus Dragonblight and Coldarra.

[Kiivar86]

I think the issue with that is the clear disparity between them. There just isnt any way to argue that a nowhere place like Netherlight Temple is in any way as iconic, memorable location, and for a lack of better term, evergreen location as Light's Hope Chapel for instance.

Of course, they could have just had players live with it. But it would have felt bad if some classes got somewhere really iconic that fits the class and adds something to gameplay like Druids. And others got nothing.

And honestly, with my draenei paladin, I felt out of place in Light's Hope Chapel too. I liked it well enough but it also felt like "Human (and elf) Paladins!...and the others are here too!"

I felt spoiled as a mage, the hall was pretty good for all races though it obviously had a human/elf bias in the end. But it worked better, I think.

Netherlight, ugh, I did like the look of it but it also felt like a non-entity and so empty.

Priests were essentially dainty princesses that needed to be saved by the Paladins.

And also shared like half their campaign too, straight up.

Class halls were a neat idea but if they are to return they need to redo most of them (and there's the fact that rogues and mages don't even have one anymore with Dalaran's destruction).

[Timester]

[Khaza-R]

Any type of "class roleplay" so to say has been gutted long ago. Have you talked to a trainer recently? Or in the last 10 years? It made sense in Legion because the systems were intertwined with the Order Halls. I don't see how that works as an evergreen feature.

Isn't this why they were added the first place? Most classes weren't lucky enough to get a green fire questline. Most of them got nothing over years, but instead a slow erosion of whatever what identity that had established since vanilla. So while they didn't all do the job perfectly, I think the concept itself is fine way to address what class fantasy in looks like in modern WoW.

[Cheezits]

Wow, hell of a lore dump going on in this book. Get ready for K'aresh worldbuilding.

Mostly about Locus-Walker's origins and it doesn't actually spoil the 11.2 campaign or its reveals. Interesting to note that Ky'veza appears as an ally for all of the book as does "Nari".

Maybe Ky'veza is good after all, hence why she was trying to kill the Nerubian Queen? And the delve boss fight is a test

[Timester]

Wow, hell of a lore dump going on in this book. Get ready for K'aresh worldbuilding.

Alleria mentioning Lothraxion wasn't on my bingo card. And Tazavesh being a K'areshi city-nation.

And it's pretty much confirmed, Dimensius wanted to eat the K'aresh Worldsoul. It's curious how the Worldsould Radiant Song and the Void are strongly connected.

[Cheezits]

Alleria mentioning Lothraxion wasn't on my bingo card. And Tazavesh being a K'areshi city-nation.

Thought the Lothraxion nod was a bit sus myself.

[Xeladriel]

Spelldancer is repeated many times...sounds-like a class ethereal based or new mage spec

[Cheezits]

Spelldancer is repeated many times...sounds-like a class ethereal based or new mage spec

The new class being a Dancer archetype would be pretty cool, but it will piss people off (another OC class) unless they really want to lean on the K'aresh fantasy in future patches.

Guess it could be the new Cloth class? It does fit Elf fantasy.

[Marlamin]

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Surprised they managed to get Ray Porter, he is a busy man. Such a great narrator.