Midnight 12.X Patches & World Soul Saga Speculation Thread

[Foolicious]

"Confirmed Connection to Ethereals" Ethereal lore has never mentioned Elune.

I didn't mean to say that ethereals have a connection to elune. Just that xal may have also a connection to elune in addition to having a connection to the ethereals.

Also isn't accolonn the guy that fried his brain and is now doing right wing grifter content? Doesn't suprise me that he has some weird takes.

[Xeladriel]

I think it's vaguely ambiguous and there may be a fakeout where she's alive, considering she's the first Spelldancer we've ever heard about.

Or, Ky'zeva killed her because she was jealous of her and Locus-Walker.

To me sounds so much a Class...maybe...

[Enrif]

Honestly, Xal is just someone that wants to become a Void Lord.

That's why Azeroth's warns with the Radiant Song about Xal, not about anyone else. We learned now that K'aresh did the same thing regarding Dimensius. Unless there is another Void Lord wanting to consume Azeroth, it can only be about Xal.

... funnily, the song the K'areshi heared, might not because of Dimensius, but because of Xal? We have now two account of the radiant song, and both accounts have one thing in common: Xal. There is no Dimensius anywhere close on Azeroth, so why the radiant song? But we have from that novella and story revelations from 11.2. PTR that Xal was on each planet during the songs.

Also, the cinematic where Xal "empowers" the soul-scribe to hear the song of K'aresh?

Could it be, that the radiant song is related to Xal? But how does she trigger it?

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To me sounds so much a Class...maybe...

high potential. Could be bard related, could also be related to other Spell-(insert word) ideas, like Spell-Breakers or Spell-Blades

[Cheezits]

... funnily, the song the K'areshi heared, might not because of Dimensius, but because of Xal? We have now two account of the radiant song, and both accounts have one thing in common: Xal. There is no Dimensius anywhere close on Azeroth, so why the radiant song? But we have from that novella and story revelations from 11.2. PTR that Xal was on each planet during the songs.

Well, the book details two accounts of voices- one of them being the radiant song, which is felt by multiple people in the Ravel early on, and then a distinct voice that keeps whispering specificaly to Locus-Walker about Dimensius.

It is very possible that first example was K'aresh, who falls quiet as it weakens to Dimensius, and the voice afterwards is Xal'atath manipulating Locus-Walker. As from what we've seen in TWW the Radiant Song on Azeroth doesn't speak as much as it shows visions and it does so to multiple people, while only Locus-Walker hears about Dimensius. And said voice keeps pressuring him to turn the K'areshi into Ethereals... for some reason (unsure what Xal would have to gain from this, admittedly)

[Nymrohd]

I think it's vaguely ambiguous and there may be a fakeout where she's alive, considering she's the first Spelldancer we've ever heard about.

Or, Ky'zeva killed her because she was jealous of her and Locus-Walker.

Doubt Locus-Walker would not be able to tell whose heart he was consuming.

[Enrif]

Well, the book details two accounts of voices- one of them being the radiant song, which is felt by multiple people in the Ravel early on, and then a distinct voice that keeps whispering specificaly to Locus-Walker about Dimensius.

what i meant: why did the song start? If Dimensius was the cause that started the song, than it would be true for Azeroths song as well. But that we now know that Dimensius is on K'aresh, the song on azeroth doesn't make sense to relate it to the threat of Dimensius.

But, Xal was on K'aresh when they had their song, and Xal is on Azeroth when we have the song. So, the trigger for the song might not have been related to Dimensius or even the void in general (we hadn't much songs during the old god problems afterall), but directly related to Xal.

[Wangming]

Well, the book details two accounts of voices- one of them being the radiant song, which is felt by multiple people in the Ravel early on, and then a distinct voice that keeps whispering specificaly to Locus-Walker about Dimensius.

It is very possible that first example was K'aresh, who falls quiet as it weakens to Dimensius, and the voice afterwards is Xal'atath manipulating Locus-Walker. As from what we've seen in TWW the Radiant Song on Azeroth doesn't speak as much as it shows visions and it does so to multiple people, while only Locus-Walker hears about Dimensius.

I mean Xal'atath herself was conspicuosly absent from the story. i half expected LW's girlfriend to turn out to be Xal in disguise.
I think the most sensible conclusion is, that Xal'atath was there, only Locus-Walker didn't talk about those parts. Yet. For some reason.

[Nymrohd]

I mean Xal'atath herself was conspicuosly absent from the story. i half expected LW's girlfriend to turn out to be Xal in disguise.
I think the most sensible conclusion is, that Xal'atath was there, only Locus-Walker didn't talk about those parts. Yet. For some reason.

The reason is obvious. This is a prequel to 11.2 and LW hasn't said anything about his relation to Xal before 11.2

[Cheezits]

The reason is obvious. This is a prequel to 11.2 and LW hasn't said anything about his relation to Xal before 11.2

Yeah, shockingly, the book doesn't spoil any of the revelations in 11.2, as everything revealed is what happens after Locus-Walker escapes at the end of novella. Hence why it isn't necessary to read- you aren't supposed to know a lot about the Ravel in 11.2, but it does flesh them out.

One thing I think would've been nice to show ingame however is that Salhadaar was part of the Ravel AND betrayed(? he has a reasonable crash out) Locus-Walker which makes him a much more interesting character. Also it adds a lot of mystery to Soul-Scribe and Ky'veza

[Enrif]

I mean Xal'atath herself was conspicuosly absent from the story. i half expected LW's girlfriend to turn out to be Xal in disguise.
I think the most sensible conclusion is, that Xal'atath was there, only Locus-Walker didn't talk about those parts. Yet. For some reason.

the whispers that warned about Dimensius was likely Xal'atath. Locus-Walker likely didn't revealed that to Alleria yet, as it is a reveal in 11.2

[Nymrohd]

what i meant: why did the song start? If Dimensius was the cause that started the song, than it would be true for Azeroths song as well. But that we now know that Dimensius is on K'aresh, the song on azeroth doesn't make sense to relate it to the threat of Dimensius.

But, Xal was on K'aresh when they had their song, and Xal is on Azeroth when we have the song. So, the trigger for the song might not have been related to Dimensius or even the void in general (we hadn't much songs during the old god problems afterall), but directly related to Xal.

There may be a difference between Old God corruption and the arrival of the Void itself. It would be nice if during Midnight we learn why the Old Gods are so thematically different to the Void. But Azeroth absolutely did call when the Old Gods became a significant danger, it is just that instead of the Radiant Song, she called for a thraegar first. We also don't know how much the Manifold restrains her ability to communicate.

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Yeah, shockingly, the book doesn't spoil any of the revelations in 11.2, as everything revealed is what happens after Locus-Walker escapes at the end of novella. Hence why it isn't necessary to read- you aren't supposed to know a lot about the Ravel in 11.2, but it does flesh them out.

One thing I think would've been nice to show ingame however is that Saldahaar was part of the Ravel AND betrayed(? he has a reasonable crash out) Locus-Walker which makes him a much more interesting character. Also it adds a lot of mystery to Soul-Scribe

I hope that what we are missing is in-raid cinematics where Salhadaar makes his reveal.

[Cheezits]

I hope that what we are missing is in-raid cinematics where Salhadaar makes his reveal.

He only shows up for a tiny bit in the MSQ before the raid, at the very end, but in the raid he lives... albeit in Xal's inventory so they may have a longterm story for him planned.

[Enrif]

There may be a difference between Old God corruption and the arrival of the Void itself. It would be nice if during Midnight we learn why the Old Gods are so thematically different to the Void. But Azeroth absolutely did call when the Old Gods became a significant danger, it is just that instead of the Radiant Song, she called for a thraegar first. We also don't know how much the Manifold restrains her ability to communicate.

When did Azeroth ever called out before? When does Azeroth call for a thraegar? As we know Magni had not heard anything from Azeroth but other people already got the radiant song visions. Magni only hears azeroth when he forcefuly connects to her in the heart chamber, which backfired on him

[Timester]

... funnily, the song the K'areshi heared, might not because of Dimensius, but because of Xal? We have now two account of the radiant song, and both accounts have one thing in common: Xal. There is no Dimensius anywhere close on Azeroth, so why the radiant song? But we have from that novella and story revelations from 11.2. PTR that Xal was on each planet during the songs.

Also, the cinematic where Xal "empowers" the soul-scribe to hear the song of K'aresh?

Could it be, that the radiant song is related to Xal? But how does she trigger it?

Could be both, yes. The question is still the same, why?

[Nymrohd]

When did Azeroth ever called out before? When does Azeroth call for a thraegar? As we know Magni had not heard anything from Azeroth but other people already got the radiant song visions. Magni only hears azeroth when he forcefuly connects to her in the heart chamber, which backfired on him

Before Legion

[Foolicious]

When did Azeroth ever called out before? When does Azeroth call for a thraegar? As we know Magni had not heard anything from Azeroth but other people already got the radiant song visions. Magni only hears azeroth when he forcefuly connects to her in the heart chamber, which backfired on him

To be fair the last time Azeroth communicated with her chosen speaker directly she warned him in detail about what is about to happen and still got stabbed by a giant space devil. Can't blame her that she doesn't feel like speaking to him any longer and is looking for other people to call out to.

[milkmustache]

I forgot about the Thraegar. In 11.0 I assumed they'd be a huge part of the end of expansion... now we're on K'aresh. Maybe we'll see them in 13.0 as we get closer to the core.

[Timester]

To be fair the last time Azeroth communicated with her chosen speaker directly she warned him in detail about what is about to happen and still got stabbed by a giant space devil. Can't blame her that she doesn't feel like speaking to him any longer and is looking for other people to call out to.

In other word, the Radiant Song is a proximity alarm then.

I forgot about the Thraegar. In 11.0 I assumed they'd be a huge part of the end of expansion... now we're on K'aresh. Maybe we'll see them in 13.0 as we get closer to the core.

Well, the fate of the Thraegar and the fate of the Ethereal are closely because of the same.

[Enrif]

Before Legion

which does not related to either the radiant song or the void.

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To be fair the last time Azeroth communicated with her chosen speaker directly she warned him in detail about what is about to happen and still got stabbed by a giant space devil. Can't blame her that she doesn't feel like speaking to him any longer and is looking for other people to call out to.

Azeroth was still in communication with Magni during BfA (ze woons!). She only abandoned him afterwards.

[Cheezits]

I forgot about the Thraegar. In 11.0 I assumed they'd be a huge part of the end of expansion... now we're on K'aresh. Maybe we'll see them in 13.0 as we get closer to the core.

The end of 11.2 before changes was very likely Magni + Earthen with new thraegars + Haranir + Nerubians + Arathi all fighting into the Worldcore to beat up Tyr and Xal.