Midnight 12.X Patches & World Soul Saga Speculation Thread

[Cheezits]

Yeah, the problem of the xpac is that its thematically jumping all over the place. From nerubians and caves to goblins and industrialism, to a different planet and cosmic stuff. And the story isnt written well enough to bridge these highly varying themes without making them feel disconnected.

Does it really matter if the zones/stories are tightly connected if they aren't that great? DF was locked in comparatively and I thought it was very boring, besides the Dream.

[Enrif]

... Yes? That's what I have been saying since the first post.

That you?

Yet again, that doesnt say how many people heard and who heard.

And yet again, the concept progressed. That is all.

Not anymore. The Ethereal novel explains what Radiant Song is.

You are on about that the concept evolved and was explained, while i showed that it is literally the same as it was at the start of TWW and we have no more insight into it than before.

[Cheezits]

Are we thinking any of the Khaz Algar stories are going to continue in Midnight? TLT certainly, but unsure about Midnight. Maybe some Arathi ambassador stuff.

[Houle]

Does it really matter if the zones/stories are tightly connected if they aren't that great? DF was locked in comparatively and I thought it was very boring, besides the Dream.

Oh ofc not, if the zones/stories themselves suck, being tightly connected wont change that. But that would just be the opposite extreme.

Doesnt change that having a bunch of completely different zones and themes, only barely connected by a mediocre story, is also not really great for a single expansion. As we can see here.

[Wangming]

Does it really matter if the zones/stories are tightly connected if they aren't that great? DF was locked in comparatively and I thought it was very boring, besides the Dream.

Both suck in different ways. If the devs only present us with a choice between shit and crap, I'd rather choose different devs.

[Enrif]

Are we thinking any of the Khaz Algar stories are going to continue in Midnight? TLT certainly, but unsure about Midnight. Maybe some Arathi ambassador stuff.

Earthen - could continue in TLT
Arathi - could continue in Midnight as part of the elven unification and of the light versus void
Nerubian - could continue in TLT if Azjol'Nerub gets more focus
Black Blood - uncertain, could be completely abandoned. Potential in Midnight for K'thix.
Haranir - could continue in Midnight as part of the elven unification or continue in TLT as part of the troll and/or eonar. Could also be abandoned
Goblins - done with them for a long while
Ethereals - could continue into Midnight
Siren Isle/Beledar/Radiant Song - could be in Midnight and TLT

[Thomir]

The audio novella seems to imply that the sky will darken in Midnight because that's what happened on K'aresh as the Radiant Song intensified.

[Timester]

That you?



You are on about that the concept evolved and was explained, while i showed that it is literally the same as it was at the start of TWW and we have no more insight into it than before.

The concept since Legion. Come on, it's not hard to understand that we are talking about story concepts development.

[Wangming]

Are we thinking any of the Khaz Algar stories are going to continue in Midnight? TLT certainly, but unsure about Midnight. Maybe some Arathi ambassador stuff.

Depends on how south from Quel'Thalas will the playable area extend. The Arathi have a good chance.

[Enrif]

The concept since Legion. Come on, it's not hard to understand that we are talking about story development.

The concept in legion did not exists. In Legion it was: Magni, who in Cataclysm underwent a ritual to be closer to Azeroth/the earth awakend from his slumber as a diamond dwarf, this got expanded into the Thraegar. The Thraegar do not connect to the Radiant Song. Neither did Magni, as in Legion he was connected directly to azeroth, no radiant song. When on Argus, Magni could also hear Argus, again no Radiant Song. In BfA, when the world was bleeding out, again, no radiant song, only magni heard the world soul. Then come end of DF/Pre-patches to TWW: Magni is cut of of Azeroth for some reason, and we get a Radiant Song in exchange. When he tries to connect to azeroth he gets knocked out. When he tries to help the earthen, he turns to stone, before being again out of flesh.

Magni, never interacted with the Radiant Song. And that he, as the only being known to us, that could hear two different world souls (Azeroth and Argus), was not able to hear the Radiant Song? That doesn't add up.

And we hear from NPCs that the Radiant Song is all across the world, and the recent Novella also collaborated that: "more and more people begun to the hear song". It was never something that only major people heard.

The Radiant Song is very different to how world souls communication was depcited for Azeroth and Argus before. In the two instances were we know there was a Radiant Song, we know there was also an active Xal'atath.

[Cheezits]

Depends on how south from Quel'Thalas will the playable area extend. The Arathi have a good chance.

That and the possibility of the Sunwell being a Beledar.

[Xilurm]

The audio novella seems to imply that the sky will darken in Midnight because that's what happened on K'aresh as the Radiant Song intensified.

One week after launch, WoW forums:

"Blizaaaaard can we get the normal skies back I don't care about immersion or the story I just wanna sit in Goldshire and afk but this sky is ruining my vibes."

[Wangming]

That and the possibility of the Sunwell being a Beledar.

The Sunwell that was created via a vial of water from the Well of Eternity?

[Enrif]

The Sunwell that was created via a vial of water from the Well of Eternity?

well, it has also the core of a naaru now inside it. IF the beledar is naaru related, than the sunwell with a naaru core could be beledar like...

[Limayria]

Wasn't it also implied that the sunwell was constructed on top of something sacred to the amani

[Thomir]

One week after launch, WoW forums:

"Blizaaaaard can we get the normal skies back I don't care about immersion or the story I just wanna sit in Goldshire and afk but this sky is ruining my vibes."

Nothing will change for OCE players. We already have to play in eternal darkness because our day/night cycle is synced with NA ...

[Khaza-R]

Wasn't it also implied that the sunwell was constructed on top of something sacred to the amani

I don't think there's anything specific about the Sunwell. But all of Quel'thalas is built on the ruins of an ancient troll city so the whole thing is sacrilege to them.

Deep within the northern forests of the continent, they founded the kingdom of Quel'Thalas and vowed to create a mighty empire which would dwarf that of their Kaldorei cousins. Unfortunately they soon learned that Quel'Thalas was founded upon an ancient troll city that the trolls still held to be sacred.

I guess that part could include the Sunwell. However other sources say it was a lake before Dath'remar poured the vial into it.

[Alanar]

Liking feet is weird. Oh boy, wait till you learn about my kinks

How I am not suprised with people here lol.

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It went from 'people' to 'cinematic directors/creators' when after a few cinematics, it turned out that it is being done intentionally.

Its for sure done intentionally at this point, I figured.

[Wangming]

I don't think there's anything specific about the Sunwell. But all of Quel'thalas is built on the ruins of an ancient troll city so the whole thing is sacrilege to them.



I guess that part could include the Sunwell. However other sources say it was a lake before Dath'remar poured the vial into it.

That applies to pretty much everything. Trolls were THE race pretty much. Then some trolls mutated into Nelves due to Well of Eternity and most of the current playable area besides Pandaria and Khaz Algar, I guess, became part of their empire till the Sundering.
I guarantee you if people dug deep under Stormwind, they'd find Elvish ruins, and if dug deeper than that, troll ruins.

[Viridiel]

I get the feeling that Dimensius is meant to be an idiot god and Xal'atath sends nightmare visions to worldsouls to make them scream so he can hear them and knows where to go. The Void seems to follow the rule that the most intelligent of them are weak and stupidest are strong. That might be what Xal'atath wants to change, to give the Void a purpose beyond mindless consumption. Maybe Aman'thul looked into a future where Xal'atath becomes a Void Lord and decides to create a "Void titan" rather than consume the worldsoul, hence the titans' otherwise seemingly mistaken belief.

EDIT: In fact, I wonder if it's the destiny of all cosmic forces to eventually be supplanted by beings from the Great Dark Beyond. I was thinking yesterday that it would be funny if Elune and the Winter Queen are sisters because they were actually mortal sisters who worshipped the cycle of Life and Death and eventually, somehow, managed to become gods (or godlike). The current arbiter is a former mortal, and Order and Disorder are both led by former worldsouls. The Light mind end up being the only "pure" force left.