Midnight 12.X Patches & World Soul Saga Speculation Thread

[Samin]

I mean, we always knew what he was aiming at. He was trying to kill our World Soul to prevent it from falling into Void. This part will be resolved most likely in TLT.

I think it's because there is still some speculation floating around that he was aiming for something else, basically rooted in Sargeras redemption theories, implying he was trying to protect the world soul from someting and aimed for some kind of invader (bonus points for tying in Beledar and Light-is-Evil-actually). Those won't stop until it is explicitly stated that he aimed for the world soul, maybe not even then.

The Coreway isn't even that close to Silithus

He presumably wanted to hit the core, not the Coreway. As long as you aim for the center it doesn't really matter from where on the spherical planet you stab.

[Wangming]

I mean, we always knew what he was aiming at. He was trying to kill our World Soul to prevent it from falling into Void. This part will be resolved most likely in TLT.

Funny thing is, they like to pretend, even in that very cinematic, that we don't know what it is.
Either this fake mistery box is for nothing and it really is the Titan world soul, or they will change it at the last minute for shock value and it will turn out to be Xal'atath timetravelled back into the past to save us from an even worse future or some shit.

I don't know which possibility is more worrying.

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I think it's because there is still some speculation floating around that he was aiming for something else, basically rooted in Sargeras redemption theories, implying he was trying to protect the world soul from someting and aimed for some kind of invader (bonus points for tying in Beledar and Light-is-Evil-actually). Those won't stop until it is explicitly stated that he aimed for the world soul, maybe not even then.

In these theories the usual suspect is C'Thun. Because our noble savior Sargeras wanted to protect us from the void with his last breath.

[Vakir]

Which doesn't really make sense though. Surely he could have stabbed anything.

Why was he aiming specifically at that point?

The Coreway isn't even that close to Silithus

Watsonian: It was a last ditch effort in a moment of panic as he was manifesting and just about to be pulled into imprisonment. I dunno how much he really considered an exact point because if he had just a few more seconds he'd have driven it completely through and destroyed the planet anyway.

Doylist: It hit Silithus because it's an extremely worthless and expendable zone.

[Makabreska]

Which doesn't really make sense though. Surely he could have stabbed anything.

Why was he aiming specifically at that point?

The Coreway isn't even that close to Silithus

I think we had plenty of this conversation already back at the end of Legion.

Sarg entire plan after going bad was to destroy World Souls to prevent them from falling to Void Lords.
He wanted to destroy Azeroth for centuries.
He finally got close to it.
But before he could act, the Titans started to suck him in.
So in last ditch effort he poked his sword deep into Azeroth with an intent of killing WS.

Sometimes, the simplest and most obvious answers are probably the right one.

[Nibelheimy]

If he wanted the worldsoul itself destroyed the sword impacting Silithus means nothing. It's a last ditch effort as he's been sucked away to do damage. I'm not sure we can establish he was aiming for anything in particular right now.

Unless they're going to make it so he was trying to damage the Worldcore. In which case location still means nothing.

[Makorus]

I think we had plenty of this conversation already back at the end of Legion.

Sarg entire plan after going bad was to destroy World Souls to prevent them from falling to Void Lords.
He wanted to destroy Azeroth for centuries.
He finally got close to it.
But before he could act, the Titans started to suck him in.
So in last ditch effort he poked his sword deep into Azeroth with an intent of killing WS.

Sometimes, the simplest and most obvious answers are probably the right one.

Oh yeah, it totally makes sense in the context in Legion.

The TWW Cinematic kinda muddies the water a bit because they act like there is more to it than "he stabbed the planet", but instead it is "he specifically stabbed that place".

[huth]

To be fair, it was pretty much on brand: since Cata, N'zoth got continually downgraded. From the strongest OG, who 1v2'd C'thun and Yogg and whom the titans couldnt fully defeat, to the weakest of them, who got trolled by Xal and had to call the others for help.

You sure you're not getting your Old Gods mixed up there? I don't recall N'zoth ever being rated until Xal called him weakest.

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Which doesn't really make sense though. Surely he could have stabbed anything.

Why was he aiming specifically at that point?

The Coreway isn't even that close to Silithus

Why do you assume he was? He was actively being pulled away at that point in time. It might not have been what he was trying to hit, or he wasn't trying to hit anything specific beyond just Azeroth in general.

[Makorus]

You sure you're not getting your Old Gods mixed up there? I don't recall N'zoth ever being rated until Xal called him weakest.

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Why do you assume he was? He was actively being pulled away at that point in time. It might not have been what he was trying to hit, or he wasn't trying to hit anything specific beyond just Azeroth in general.

idk, the whole "That sword was aimed at someone!" line doesn't really make sense unless you assume that Anduin/Thrall don't know World Souls exist.

[rainhard]

Lacking a new capital would be a great way to make people really stay afk in their houses, but then we would get a garrison situation but a bit more social.

[Cheezits]

Lacking a new capital would be a great way to make people really stay afk in their houses, but then we would get a garrison situation but a bit more social.

They've alreadya hinted at new starting experiences so I think racial capitals come hand in hand with those.

[Sondrelk]

Lacking a new capital would be a great way to make people really stay afk in their houses, but then we would get a garrison situation but a bit more social.

You still need somewhere to have all the weekly quests. New crafting NPCs. Weekly vault. Etc. All the stuff that players like to stay close to.
And of course the biggest reason players stick to the expansion hubs. It's close to all the new content, which the new player housing most definitely isn't.

I could see a more decentralized approach to expansion hub though. The crafting NPCs in one zone hub. Vault in another. Stuff like that.

Players would probably hate it though. There is a reason Dalaran is a fan favorite, and it's not because of the purple tiled roof.

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idk, the whole "That sword was aimed at someone!" line doesn't really make sense unless you assume that Anduin/Thrall don't know World Souls exist.

Don't see why it's impossible Anduin and Thrall doesn't know about the World Soul. It's not like Magni sat down with them and explained the concept in-depth.

[Makabreska]

Don't see why it's impossible Anduin and Thrall doesn't know about the World Soul. It's not like Magni sat down with them and explained the concept in-depth.

Would be weird, considering player characters knew about it. But then again, Anduin and the gang had no idea what Radiant Song was and where was it coming from.

[Limayria]

Respectfully, no. Iridikron is generic evil dragon number n+1 who has zero personal connection to the main character (whoever he is)
The two have zero in common.

If anything Iridikron is closer to Fandaniel. Nutjob trying to destroy the world out of spite.
Hell, he might end up as the Zodiark of the story.

Wow cant have a zenos because wow is afraid to give characterization to the player character

zenos's whole deal is he's what would happen if the WoL was found by the villains instead of the hero

not to mention the fact that zenos is canonically in love with the WoL; could you imagine what this form would look like if all the insecure culture warriors had a man telling them he desired them carnally like zenos says to the WoL, our only hope would be their illiteracy stopping them from understanding what happened LMAO

but for real id love a zenos type character in wow but theres 0 way that'll come in midnight or TLT we might get blizzards pale immitation when we go visit the Arathi because the most obvious set up for them is they have their own "champions of azeorth" who are going to be our primary antagnoist but still it lacks the personal 1 on 1 connection zenos X WoL had


(i am unsurprisingly zenos's number 1 fan, just like im the illidari's strongest solider o7 )

[Khaza-R]

If elf reunification is supposed to be a major plot point of 12.0 then it would be weird if Silvermoon was not a hub. Kind of hard to drive that concept forward if there isn't a tangible place for them to gather around. Or conversely some place that has no real culture significance to them.

[Houle]

I think we had plenty of this conversation already back at the end of Legion.

Sarg entire plan after going bad was to destroy World Souls to prevent them from falling to Void Lords.
He wanted to destroy Azeroth for centuries.
He finally got close to it.
But before he could act, the Titans started to suck him in.
So in last ditch effort he poked his sword deep into Azeroth with an intent of killing WS.

Sometimes, the simplest and most obvious answers are probably the right one.

Small correction, from WotA onwards, he wanted Azeroth fel-corrupted and serving him. Which is prolly why hes in the form of a gigantic fel cloud during the raid, hes trying to do the same thing to her that happened to him with Mardum.

You sure you're not getting your Old Gods mixed up there? I don't recall N'zoth ever being rated until Xal called him weakest.

They werent explicitely rated, but N'zoth was very much implied to be the strongest.

For example, Dave Kosak in 2012, when asked about N'zoth:

"N’zoth is still lurking. The Titans couldn’t defeat it… maybe someday we’ll get our chance? Don’t expect to hear anything about him in Pandaria, though!"

[Wyrt]

If elf reunification is supposed to be a major plot point of 12.0 then it would be weird if Silvermoon was not a hub. Kind of hard to drive that concept forward if there isn't a tangible place for them to gather around. Or conversely some place that has no real culture significance to them.

I really hope Silvermoon is the hub.

People keep suggesting human cities in the area as if we haven't had like 5 billion human cities as hubs over the years and never had Silvermoon as a proper hub since even in BC it was so far away from anything relevant.

[Enrif]

Oh, I don't want it destroyed. I just want it to be controlled by Void forces in 12.0, like Suramar was (and still is), until we take it back as a neutral hub in 12.1.

I just think city-zones are neat.

The problem is, that never happend. Suramar is still a hostile place, absolute dead for roleplayers. Ajz’kahet the same. Adventure zone cities suck for roleplayers. Just hostile npcs. Boralsu and Zuldazar are the only city zones that worked out.

[Limayria]

I really hope Silvermoon is the hub.

People keep suggesting human cities in the area as if we haven't had like 5 billion human cities as hubs over the years and never had Silvermoon as a proper hub since even in BC it was so far away from anything relevant.

tbh if the trade off of having silvermoon being a full zone city, the size of a dflight or tww zone id take it, I could see tranquillen ending up as the "player hub" with the great vault and proff trainers and stuff at least until the max level MSQ is done, where I assume we're gonna retake silvermoon and use phase diving tech to switch between hostile and friendly silvermoon

[Wangming]

WoL, our only hope would be their illiteracy stopping them from understanding what happened LMAO

but for real id love a zenos type character in wow but theres 0 way that'll come in midnight or TLT we might get blizzards pale immitation when we go visit the Arathi because the most obvious set up for them is they have their own "champions of azeorth" who are going to be our primary antagnoist but still it lacks the personal 1 on 1 connection zenos X WoL had


(i am unsurprisingly zenos's number 1 fan, just like im the illidari's strongest solider o7 )

I mean, yes. Zenos had three expansions so it is late for the World Soul Saga. But we all are adventurers in the end. It wouldn't be unreasonable to imagine a merc hired by the bad guys, or some random Twilight Hammer cultist who has their own adventures and training till they can rival the player character and we clash on the battle field over and over again.

It takes setup.
Like his great Grandfather, good old Emet.
We KNEW about Ascians existing. And of course we knew about Emperor Solus. We also may have guessed something was wrong because for all its bravado of eradicating the Primal threat, the Garlean Empire seemed to have contributed to it instead. Or because Nael's crazy plan to hit the planet with Dalamud was okayed. Or because Lahabrea was pretty openly working with Gaius despite Ascians not known to be against Primal summoning.

By the time Emet was revealed to us, his inclusion and his very nature made sense. But was still a shocking twist.

To give credit where it is due, Xal'atath has been a constant meddler in affairs since Legion. In a way she is the Zenos to Alleria's WoL. She is definitely flirty enough.

[Sondrelk]

If elf reunification is supposed to be a major plot point of 12.0 then it would be weird if Silvermoon was not a hub. Kind of hard to drive that concept forward if there isn't a tangible place for them to gather around. Or conversely some place that has no real culture significance to them.

The issue with Silvermoon as a hub is that you can't have Suramar 2.0 where we reclaim it, which is also something that would kick the feet out from under the Elven reunification plotline.

It also prevents Silvermoon from staying a primarily Horde hub, which I bet some players will dislike.

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The problem is, that never happend. Suramar is still a hostile place, absolute dead for roleplayers. Ajz’kahet the same. Adventure zone cities suck for roleplayers. Just hostile npcs. Boralsu and Zuldazar are the only city zones that worked out.

That could be changed by the addition of an NPC that switches between hostile, and non-hostile Silvermoon.
It would only be an issue of having a proper hub with functional NPCs beyond banks and flight masters is a must.