Midnight 12.X Patches & World Soul Saga Speculation Thread

[Enrif]

Definitely plausible, I just think that Spellbreakers, as an order, could fit extremely well as the story reason for their introduction. Though I guess that could still be distinct from their class name, and instead be like a Class Order like the Silver Hand, Ebon Blade, Illidari, Tirisgarde, etc.

I don't know about changing Lor'themar, though I guess he was the one to order for the Spellbreakers to be rebuilt.

Lor'themar interestingly is already kind of a spellbreaker, more so than a hunter. If you look at his skills when you fight him. Mana Burn, Arcane Shock, Cleave. Seems very spellbreaker like. Not so much hunter. And he ordered the restoration of the spellbreakers, and is now married to a woman from a culture full of spellblades. It makes a lot of sense.

[Hitei]

If Silvermoon is gone as so many are inclined to believe, the Sunwell would be lost too. It would be very hard to justify how the Void could presumably destroy Silvermoon and not take the Sunwell, especially since we won't be able to send reinforcements without retaking Silvermoon first.

Why would we need to take Silvermoon to send reinforcements? The vanguard forces of both factions are forward deploying magical forces and airships/navy (see: Northrend, Pandaria, Twilight Highlands, Broken Isles, Khaz Algar). Silvermoon does nothing.

The Sunwell is a small heavily guarded location with a turbo font of Light+Arcane energy supplying it. SMC is just a large city. There's no need to "justify" why the Void could destroy large parts of Silvermoon but not have taken the Sunwell; it's pretty straightforward circumstance. If the sky darkens and void meteors start falling out of the sky, Quel'danas is going to be on high alert and magically shielded--the priority to defend, Silvermoon is a very large target that is much harder to comprehensively protect.

[Darkarath]

FF14 did something similar in stormblood with the doman enclave i dont see why blizzard couldn't do it in wow, they could even use the "shipping and handling" job system as a way for players to opt in and contribute to over all progress

theres 0 reason that fortnite is better than wow at live events and this could be an 8 week long live event between 12.0.7 and 12.1

I don't think that it would be an easy feature to implement. For example:

- Individual or server progress? Individual progress could be very problematic for players that spend weeks or months without playing. Server wide progress could also be problematic because players could do nothing and see that the city evolves without knowing why.

- What would be meaningful about rebuilding a city? That when we reach certain milestones we choose to build a bank or a tavern? Cosmetic choices would not be an option because it would be a hub for every player.

- Moreover, eventually the city would be rebuilt and available for everyone. What do we do with the feature by then?

The Sunwell is a small heavily guarded location with a turbo font of Light+Arcane energy supplying it. SMC is just a large city. There's no need to "justify" why the Void could destroy large parts of Silvermoon but not have taken the Sunwell; it's pretty straightforward circumstance. If the sky darkens and void meteors start falling out of the sky, Quel'danas is going to be on high alert and magically shielded, Silvermoon is a very large target that is much harder to defend

IMO that would be incredibly hard to believe.

The Void conquers Silvermoon, a well guarded city that can continuosly receive support from all the EK, but not the Sunwell? A tiny island that would be very hard to reach if the closest city has been destroyed.

One would believe that if the Void is capable of destroying Silvermoon, it would also manage to make the sea and sky around Quel'danas a nightmare to reach.

[Wyrt]

Lor'themar interestingly is already kind of a spellbreaker, more so than a hunter. If you look at his skills when you fight him. Mana Burn, Arcane Shock, Cleave. Seems very spellbreaker like. Not so much hunter. And he ordered the restoration of the spellbreakers, and is now married to a woman from a culture full of spellblades. It makes a lot of sense.

Give him Felo'melorn so he can wield it like Anasterian did when fighting Arthas.

[The-Shan]

It would be an interesting choice if Blizzard hyped up QT only to destroy Silvermoon. I guess that we can always rebuild... But having the Blood Elves going through this again after The Plague? I don't buy it.

Also, if that were to be the case, the Sunwell would be completely lost. We would not be able to reach it. I know that we have boats and magic, but it would be completely unrealistic to siege the Sunwell without recovering Silvermoon first.

What I believe that might happen is that we have a Beledar kind of event in which we have to defend Silvermoon from the Void. Although part of me wish that Silvermoon is destroyed because that would almost guarantee IMO that Gilneas and the Undercity would be the capital cities of Midnight.

I think it'll probably just be damaged like legion dalaran was around the edge, however the fact that the void monsters are coming out of the city goes against this theory.

[Hitei]

IMO that would be incredibly hard to believe.

The Void conquers Silvermoon, a well guarded city that can continuosly receive support from all the EK, but not the Sunwell? A tiny island that would be very hard to reach if the closest city has been destroyed.

One would believe that if the Void is capable of destroying Silvermoon, it would also manage to make the sea and sky around Quel'danas a nightmare to reach.

Silvermoon isn't well guarded post-Scourge, it's just a city.

It can't "continuously receive support from all the EK". Where is it getting support from? Non-existent Undercity? Gilneas that is busy rebuilding and has to send forces up through a forest region, across Tirisfal, through a pass into the Plaguelands, the entire way through the plaguelands, through the pass into Quel'thalas, all the way up through the Ghostlands and then through Eversong and then has to somehow make it past the Void forces to actually reach the city? Ironforge that has to do all of that AND send forces through a convoluted series of mountain passes and valleys, across a wetlands, through Arathi Highlands and Hillsbrad just to reach where Gilneas is? Stormwind that has to send forces via tram to Ironforge and copy IF's route?

In your scenario, ignoring how the factions in game actually operate, where we're marching resources and reinforcements on foot to help, SMC isn't much better off than Quel'danas is.

Reinforcements from Kalimdor, Northrend, KT, Bel'ameth, etc. would all just sail over to Quel'thalas, and they stop just as easily at Quel'danas as Silvermoon. Airships from Stormwind stop just as easily at Quel'danas as Silvermoon. Armies being teleported in get portaled just as easily to Quel'danas as Silvermoon. If Quel'danas is a nightmare to reach, reaching Silvermoon is not going to be any easier. It is the exact same situation, only instead of being open ocean, it's land where Void forces can sit and shoot at you and land meteor pods the shoot out void monsters en masse.

So the actual difference is that Silvermoon has... walls, and Quel'danas has the Sunwell.

There is a reason that Suramar managed to survive the Sundering and WotA unscathed while Zin-Azshari and much of the continent got destroyed. It's the same reason that Dalaran would be easier to defend than say, Stormwind. It's the same reason that Tazavesh still exists even when the planet spent years under void siege and even when the entire rest of K'aresh was shredded to bits and pieces.

You can't defend a large wide area well, especially against an enemy raining out of the sky. It is very, very easy to defend some small fortified location, especially when that location is one of the most powerful, endless sources of magic on the planet.

[Darkarath]

Silvermoon isn't well guarded post-Scourge, it's just a city.

It can't "continuously receive support from all the EK". Where is it getting support from? Non-existent Undercity? Gilneas that is busy rebuilding and has to send forces up through a forest region, across Tirisfal, through a pass into the Plaguelands, the entire way through the plaguelands, through the pass into Quel'thalas, all the way up through the Ghostlands and then through Eversong and then has to somehow make it past the Void forces to actually reach the city? Ironforge that has to do all of that AND send forces through a convoluted series of mountain passes and valleys, across a wetlands, through Arathi Highlands and Hillsbrad just to reach where Gilneas is? Stormwind that has to send forces via tram to Ironforge and copy IF's route?

In your scenario, ignoring how the factions in game actually operate, where we're marching resources and reinforcements on foot to help, SMC isn't much better off than Quel'danas is.

Reinforcements from Kalimdor, Northrend, KT, Bel'ameth, etc. would all just sail over to Quel'thalas, and they stop just as easily at Quel'danas as Silvermoon. Airships from Stormwind stop just as easily at Quel'danas as Silvermoon. Armies being teleported in get portaled just as easily to Quel'danas as Silvermoon. If Quel'danas is a nightmare to reach, reaching Silvermoon is not going to be any easier. It is the exact same situation, only instead of being open ocean, it's land where Void forces can sit and shoot at you and land meteor pods the shoot out void monsters en masse.

So the actual difference is that Silvermoon has... walls, and Quel'danas has the Sunwell.

There is a reason that Suramar managed to survive the Sundering and WotA unscathed while Zin-Azshari and much of the continent got destroyed. It's the same reason that Dalaran would be easier to defend than say, Stormwind. It's the same reason that Tazavesh still exists even when the planet spent years under void siege and even when the entire rest of K'aresh was shredded to bits and pieces.

You can't defend a large wide area well, especially against an enemy raining out of the sky. It is very, very easy to defend some small fortified location, especially when that location is one of the most powerful, endless sources of magic on the planet.

QT has plenty of coast and terrain to receive support by foot, portals, boats... you name it.

Quel'Danas in a scenario in which Silvermoon is no more would be gone if Blizzard treats Warcraft's lore with some respect. As a friendly reminder:

- Arthas, after destroying Silvermoon, took the Sunwell without a problem, which would be exactly the same situation that we would be dealing in Midnight if Silvermoon is destroyed (but worse, as the Void is far more powerful than Arthas and his army ever were).

- In TBC Kael'thas managed to easily seize Quel'Danas for the Legion after we kicked his butt in Outland.

- Alleria's mere presence almost turned the Sunwell to the Void.

The notion that with Silvermoon gone, presumably Void portals everywhere, we would be able to hop on a boat and get to Quel'Danas while the Void just stares is ludicrous.

So no, if Silvermoon falls there is no way in which the Sunwell resists a siege of the Void. History shows that Quel'Danas is an extremely weak fortress.

[Eldryth]

I just think Quel'thalas needs some more class diversity. Right now it's like 1 mage, 1 paladin, and a bunch of rangers.

He also married Thalyssra so picking up a little magic isn't out of the question.

Lor'themar interestingly is already kind of a spellbreaker, more so than a hunter. If you look at his skills when you fight him. Mana Burn, Arcane Shock, Cleave. Seems very spellbreaker like. Not so much hunter. And he ordered the restoration of the spellbreakers, and is now married to a woman from a culture full of spellblades. It makes a lot of sense.

Sure, we absolutely need important Spellbreaker characters (even if they're not playable, it'd be very disappointing if we got a full expansion about Quel'thalas and didn't expand on their lore), but I think it's better to just introduce new ones unless the writers have a good reason for his character to go in that direction.

You're right that he does have some abilities that line up with Spellbreakers (especially in Nazjatar, where he has a slash that's very similar to what the Nightborne Spellbreakers use), and he does have a few plot threads that could bring him further in that direction... but most major lore characters have a few abilities outside their class, and one of his core character traits is that he wants to just go back to a simple life as a Farstrider, but his people need him too much. Maybe they could take that further, and make him abandoning his Ranger life entirely to become a Spellbreaker one more thing he gives up for his people. But I could also see it going in the exact opposite direction, too- with Quel'thalas finding a new king (maybe Arator) and Lor'themar stepping down to just be a Farstrider again like he always wanted.

Either way, his character arc should come first. If the writers think him becoming a Spellbreaker is the best fit for that, great, but no reason to force it when they can just introduce new characters.

[Enrif]

Why do i all the time see people spout the "Arator as king" stuff(be it for QT or even the Arathi Empire)? Arator has no claim to any throne. He's the half-elf son of two generals, sure, but neither is a noble or royal. There is no claim to be king of any sort. He might rise to be a hero, but a hero doesn't make a king.

[Eldryth]

Why do i all the time see people spout the "Arator as king" stuff(be it for QT or even the Arathi Empire)? Arator has no claim to any throne. He's the half-elf son of two generals, sure, but neither is a noble or royal. There is no claim to be king of any sort. He might rise to be a hero, but a hero doesn't make a king.

Nobody has a claim to the throne, the royal line died with Kael. But I don't see them getting through Midnight without changing up Quel'thalas's leadership, because their current status quo of keeping a Regent (literally a temporary ruler) indefinitely always seemed unsustainable. So unless they're going to abolish their monarchy too, I'd be surprised if we don't see the start of a new dynasty finally replacing the Sunstriders now that Quel'thalas is in focus.

And in that case, there's really only two candidates who stand out. They could just give Lor'themar the throne, turning him from Regent to a true King. He's been a great leader so it could certainly fit him well, even if he's always hated that role. And personally I'd prefer this myself.

But if it's not him, then Arator's the only other character I can see going that route. The son of two massive heroes, a literal Child of Light and Shadow (if that's still important after Xe'ra said it was Illidan), who always felt like he was going to be important down the line... I can easily see him getting built up as a new hero and leader.


I mean, they could also do another council with Blood/High/Void Elf leaders, but the community's definitely already sick to death of that. And personally, I don't think that seems like a good fit for Quel'thalas.

[Wyrt]

Why do i all the time see people spout the "Arator as king" stuff(be it for QT or even the Arathi Empire)? Arator has no claim to any throne. He's the half-elf son of two generals, sure, but neither is a noble or royal. There is no claim to be king of any sort. He might rise to be a hero, but a hero doesn't make a king.

I'm sure everyone would love having another Alliance character as a leader for a Horde race.

[Pyrophax]

Why do i all the time see people spout the "Arator as king" stuff(be it for QT or even the Arathi Empire)? Arator has no claim to any throne. He's the half-elf son of two generals, sure, but neither is a noble or royal. There is no claim to be king of any sort. He might rise to be a hero, but a hero doesn't make a king.

Arathor is son of Alleria, and Alleria IS noble (well, not Anasterian line, but still).
He has no right for the throne, yes. So is Lor'themar. But times change, and new dinasty can be started.
But not with Arathor and Windrunner family. He is not even high elf, not even Horde.

My bet - Lor'themar should be named Sun King, Thalyssra as Night Queen. Suramar politically join Silvermoon with new dinasty of Highborne remnants (Nightborne and High Elves). Let them merge, Silvermoon can be parted for Day/Night halves. Give Void Elves 2 hats near rear entry (if Void Invasion will not be their work), some stables for Alliance High elves.

Army of the Light help to protect Silvermoon and Sunwell, forming a bubble around it using Sunwell powers. All other zones canonically corrupted. Ghostlands are Void crater, Zul'Aman (dungeon part - gates) destroyed, opening the way to core Amani Lands. They can even close Silvermoon and Quel'Danas for patch content. And we are starting outside this bubble.

[Hitei]

QT has plenty of coast and terrain to receive support by foot, portals, boats... you name it.

Quel'Danas in a scenario in which Silvermoon is no more would be gone if Blizzard treats Warcraft lore with some respect. As a friendly reminder:

- Arthas, after destroying Silvermoon, took the Sunwell without a problem, which would be exactly the same situation that we would be dealing in Midnight if Silvermoon is destroyed (but worse, as the Void is far more powerful than Arthas and his army ever were).

- In TBC Kael'thas managed to easily seize Quel'Danas for the Legion after we kicked his butt in Outland.

- Alleria's mere presence almost turned the Sunwell to the Void.

All three of these examples do not work in your favor.

Alleria was welcomed right up to the Sunwell as a visitor. I don't know why you would even bring this up. It's like arguing that Stormwind's gate is bad because Onyxia made it to the throne room as Prestor.

Kael had control of Quel'danas because the Sunfury were in control of the island to begin with, he didn't attack and seize it. It was their base that they retreated to after Outland. And then, you'll note, we had to mount an entire full extended siege with the help of the Scryers and Aldor and do bombing runs and fight Sunfury forces to take every inch of the island, and then scout through Terrace and do all of SWP to actually reach and take the Sunwell. So I extra don't know why you'd bring up this example, because he again didn't fight and his case proves exactly why SWP is a better defensive location, especially since the Sunfury casually attacked the heart of Silvermoon to yoink M'uru.

Arthas didn't "take the Sunwell without a problem". Arthas had Dar'Khan on the inside to literally lower the defenses, assassinate members of the High Elf leadership, and bind the Sunwell so that they couldn't continue using it to keep the Scourge's entire army at bay even AFTER they had laid waste to the rest of Quel'thalas and marched straight through Silvermoon. So yet again you're just providing an example of how it's much better defended and the last bastion even after Silvermoon itself is vulnerable to attack.

Like I'm confused how you typed

after destroying Silvermoon, took the Sunwell without a problem, which would be exactly the same situation that we would be dealing in Midnight

these words, and don't see that you are literally making my argument for me. That it is completely normally and straightforward that any army launching a massive invasion of Quel'thalas is going to attack and take control of Quel'thalas, and attack and damage Silvermoon, LONG BEFORE Quel'danas falls. Quel'danas is always going to be the the last bastion. It is the power core protected by Quel'thalas' "tower defense".

You are citing an exact situation in which the thing you are claiming isn't justifiable and doesn't make sense already happened.

If the Void is not coming FROM the Sunwell, if it is attempting to REACH the Sunwell, then Silvermoon is going to be attacked and damaged before Quel'danas, and Quel'danas and the Sunwell are going to be the place that defenses are tripled down on to hold the line.

[Darkarath]

Alleria was welcomed right up to the Sunwell as a visitor. I don't know why you would even bring this up. It's like arguing that Stormwind's gate is bad because Onyxia made it to the throne room as Prestor.

So? Alleria just being there almost cause the Sunwell to turn and an invasion of the Void far more dangerous than her won't cause any issues? Seems unlikely to me.

Kael had control of Quel'danas because the Sunfury were in control of the island to begin with, he didn't attack and seize it. It was their base that they retreated to after Outland. And then, you'll note, we had to mount an entire full extended siege with the help of the Scryers and Aldor and do bombing runs and fight Sunfury forces to take every inch of the island, and then scout through Terrace and do all of SWP to actually reach and take the Sunwell. So I extra don't know why you'd bring up this example, because he again didn't fight and his case proves exactly why SWP is a better defensive location, especially since the Sunfury casually attacked the heart of Silvermoon to yoink M'uru.

IMO you're proving my point. Blood Elves perfectly knew by then who Kael'thas was aligned with, and they were not able to defend the Sunwell when most of his forces were destroyed in Outland. Yet another clear point of how weak the Sunwell is.

Obviously we had to lay siege to the Sunwell, but the Legion was in charge then, clearly an enemy on a whole different level, and we didn't had to worry about our rear. Silvermoon, the rest of Azeroth and Outland were completely secured by that time.

That it is completely normally and straightforward that any army launching a massive invasion of Quel'thalas is going to attack and take control of Quel'thalas, and attack and damage Silvermoon, LONG BEFORE Quel'danas falls. Quel'danas is always going to be the the last bastion. It is the power core protected by Quel'thalas' "tower defense".

You are citing an exact situation in which the thing you are claiming isn't justifiable and doesn't make sense already happened.

If the Void is not coming FROM the Sunwell, if it is attempting to REACH the Sunwell, then Silvermoon is going to be attacked and damaged before Quel'danas, and Quel'danas and the Sunwell are going to be the place that defenses are tripled down on to hold the line.

Exactly. That's my point, that Silvermoon doesn't fall and hence we can try to defend the Sunwell.

But if we assume that Silvermoon is already destroyed, which is the whole point of this discussion, then the Sunwell doesn't stand a chance by itself, as Arthas proved.

You're just saying exactly what I had from the beginning. Sunwell without a proper defense in Silvermoon falls. Sunwell with Silvermoon standing has a chance.

[Timester]

The Sunwell existence is a mistake and needs to be gone. It's just an arcane nexus transformed by the waters of the Well of Eternity and has been several times the focus of apocalyptical attacks, even before the Runes protecting Quel'thalas were destroyed.

The Blood Elves now can cure their addiction with the Nightborne wine, so the Sunwell is no longer needed.

[Wangming]

The Sunwell existence is a mistake and needs to be gone. It's just an arcane nexus transformed by the waters of the Well of Eternity and has been several times the focus of apolyptical attacks, even before the Runes protecting Quel'thalas were destroyed.

The Blood Elves now can cure their addiction with the Nightborne wine, so the Sunwell is no longer needed.

A kinda radical hot take, but yes. It IS a magnet for attacks. Arthas decimated Quel Thalas so that he could use the Well to resurrect Kel'Thuzad. Anveena was a target for abduction her whole life. Kael'Thas used the Sunwell to summon Kil'Jaeden.
And there was a void attack on it just because Alleria got close.

It's pretty much the most attacked place on Azeroth.

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So? Alleria just being there almost cause the Sunwell to turn and an invasion of the Void far more dangerous than her won't cause any issues? Seems unlikely to me.

Either Alleria is the cause somehow

e.g: Xal kidnaps his husband and sun and takes them to the Sunwell knowing full well that Alleria will abandon all reason and just run there

Or the Sunwell goes tits up and it no longer matters if Void Elves are near or not.

[Darkarath]

The Sunwell existence is a mistake and needs to be gone. It's just an arcane nexus transformed by the waters of the Well of Eternity and has been several times the focus of apocalyptical attacks, even before the Runes protecting Quel'thalas were destroyed.

The Blood Elves now can cure their addiction with the Nightborne wine, so the Sunwell is no longer needed.

Agreed.

Seeing that the Nightborne did well without their source of power, I truly believe that by the end of Midnight the Sunwell will be no more and the Blood Elves would be truly free.

Either Alleria is the cause somehow

Doubt it. Alleria is a powerfull Void wielder, but the Sunwell has been very maleable to outside forces multiple times. It's a weak point of the Blood Elves that has only caused them pain.

[Wangming]

So... yes, you think it might be taking place after the loss of the Sunwell?

Let's be honest. If we retain (not reclaim but never even lose) both Silvermoon and the Sunwell, Xal'atath will look like a loser. Hell, to make the invasion even remotely threatening, half of Quel'Thalas should go up in flames.

If the Sunwell is attacked and claimed, I doubt Silvermoon would be a safe place. And if Silvermoon falls but the Sunwell doesn't, I really don't think Qul'danas could serve as a player hub.

We could be pushed back to the Ghostlands and have us play with Southern QT and Zul'Aman before we start to push back.
We absolutely need to be able to quest in at least parts of Quel'Thalas, but i hope for terrible losses at the initial stage.

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Doubt it. Alleria is a powerfull Void wielder, but the Sunwell has been very maleable to outside forces multiple times. It's a weak point of the Blood Elves that has only caused them pain.

While yes, it is also true that Xal takes great delight in the seduction and hazing of Alleria. The "very reasonable" decision of blocking the Sunwell from her is something Xal would capitalize on.

Or, like I said, the Sunwell will just blow the fuck up, and it won't matter anymore who gets close or not.

[Auxis]

Anyone watched Bellular's "I solved Blizzard's brain-melting Old God reveal" video from a day ago? I'm intrigued but I don't feel like watching his video, but I'm blanking on what "Old God reveal" he's gonna yap about - is it the Xal Lorewalking/N'zoth time loop thing?

[Hitei]

Obviously we had to lay siege to the Sunwell, but the Legion was in charge then, clearly an enemy on a whole different level, and we didn't had to worry about our rear. Silvermoon, the rest of Azeroth and Outland were completely secured by that time.

Yes. We controlled Silvermoon and the Sunwell was still defended and needed to be sieged and wittled down. I am glad you understand that Silvermoon contributes nothing and that Quel'danas has remained strong long after Silvermoon fell to the attacking forces on multiple occasions. That Silvermoon being taken doesn't magically make the Sunwell an easy target or do really anything at all.

What does it being the Legion have to do with anything at all? The Legion has never managed to defend ANY place it's holding. Suramar, Hellfire Citadel, Tomb of Sargeras, Argus. There being demons at the Sunwell doesn't change that it was a difficult and extended siege to take Quel'danas even with most of its actual magical defenses still offline.

But if we assume that Silvermoon is already destroyed, which is the whole point of this discussion, then the Sunwell doesn't stand a chance by itself, as Arthas proved.

Proved... by only managing to get past its defenses because Dar'Khan was on the inside to let him in, kill the people defending it AND disable the Sunwell's defensive usage...? This argument makes no sense. If Arthas ultimately winning despite defenses is an indication of viability, then Quel'thalas stands no chance and is just going to be destroyed if the Void makes it anywhere into the kingdom.

You're just saying exactly what I had from the beginning. Sunwell without a proper defense in Silvermoon falls. Sunwell with Silvermoon standing has a chance.

No, I am trying to point out to you that Silvermoon is a borderline useless city that does absolutely nothing and holds little to no defensive value. The Sunwell without Silvermoon is the exact same thing as the Sunwell with Silvermoon because Silvermoon contributes 0 defensive capability. It is an ordinary city with a wall that provides no value at all against an attack from above. Quel'danas powered the impenetrable shield that protected the entire kingdom from attack. Silvermoon... sat there being pointless and housing civilians. The High Elves cared so little about Silvermoon being destroyed in the Scourge's invasion that they literally wrote the city off as "Whatever, we can rebuild it, the Sunwell is what matters."

Historically there are MULTIPLE TIMES where Silvermoon was attacked or taken and then Quel'danas remained defended and holding off against siege, so it's nonsense to pretend that Silvermoon falling magically makes the Sunwell defenseless. That it can eventually ALSO fall doesn't change that Silvermoon falling doesn't ensure that.