Midnight 12.X Patches & World Soul Saga Speculation Thread

[Santandame]

Vyranoth and Fyrakk are not expansion end boss material.

There will for sure be a 10.3.

End boss will either be Murozond, Iridikron, Tyr, or Odyn.

There’s no reason why they can’t be. If Fyrakk goes on a massive rampage that threatens the Emerald Dream whilst suped up on Shadowflame, then he can definitely carry the the final raid of the expansion.

I was absolutely certain that we’d be getting a 10.3 focusing on the Reds vs. Titan Keepers with either Tyr or Odyn as the final boss. Now, not so much.

I like the idea of ending the expansion on a mega dungeon like @Dracullus has said, and I wouldn’t put it past Blizzard to do that.

As for what the mega dungeon would focus around? I think a bridge to the next expansion would be good, so perhaps something Xal’atath related. Or it could be Chromatus related.

Either way, I’m not as certain that we’re getting a Titan Keeper focused 10.3 anymore. Whilst I would indeed be all for it, and think there’s a lot they can do with that premise such as a raid in an expanded Uldorus showing parts of the complex we haven’t seen, world content with Odyn’s Valarjar attacking the Dragon Isles, and possibly something Path of the Titans related - I sadly don’t see it looking as likely at the moment.

I think the Titan Keepers are being saved to be the antagonists of their own expansion, or at least a major antagonist in one where they take a larger role than that they currently do in Dragonflight. Very likely in the next expansion of its to be set on Avaloren as things seem to be indicating.

[Nibelheimy]

I think Tyr has end boss potential. Maybe we'll get more of a feel for that in the next .5 patch with the storyline. I would agree with Odyn if he had been present in anything other than that text in Uldaman.

I think there's a very small possibility it could also be corrupted Alexstraza, although I'm certain her 'corruption' will be in titan keepers eyes only and mainly metaphorical. Part of me wonders if Iridikron might force Galakronds absorbed hunger into Alexstraza, but there's 0 buildup on a replacement, and I doubt anybody would be satisfied with her not having a replacement, or her not really dying from that. Both are very anticlimactic in my eyes.

Fyrakk and Vyranoth combined could pose a worthy end boss with better buildup, but if they are going that route they haven't really done it justice so far.

After this patch I get the feeling Murozond will be re-occuring in the future but not an immediate last boss, but I could be completely wrong. Having the end boss be something we've fought prior seems off, and I may be wrong but I don't remember people loving that Archimonde was last boss due to the whole 1 legion thing. Although WoD was very heavily cut in fairness. I feel that Murozond is confusing people enough as it is and they may step away from it again rather than attempting to explain it all for certain.

Tyr is currently my pick, but that may change with coming patches.

[Raetary]

The infinite plotline is done with DotI, so no Murozond this expansion.

Odyn isn't even mentioned outside of like 1 in-game book, he doesn't seem to be relevant at all to the current narrative.
And they are saving Iridikron for future titan narratives imho.

So its either Tyr or a showdown with Fyrakk and Vyranoth.

[Nymrohd]

I think Tyr has end boss potential. Maybe we'll get more of a feel for that in the next .5 patch with the storyline. I would agree with Odyn if he had been present in anything other than that text in Uldaman.

I think there's a very small possibility it could also be corrupted Alexstraza, although I'm certain her 'corruption' will be in titan keepers eyes only and mainly metaphorical. Part of me wonders if Iridikron might force Galakronds absorbed hunger into Alexstraza, but there's 0 buildup on a replacement, and I doubt anybody would be satisfied with her not having a replacement, or her not really dying from that. Both are very anticlimactic in my eyes.

Fyrakk and Vyranoth combined could pose a worthy end boss with better buildup, but if they are going that route they haven't really done it justice so far.

After this patch I get the feeling Murozond will be re-occuring in the future but not an immediate last boss, but I could be completely wrong. Having the end boss be something we've fought prior seems off, and I may be wrong but I don't remember people loving that Archimonde was last boss due to the whole 1 legion thing. Although WoD was very heavily cut in fairness. I feel that Murozond is confusing people enough as it is and they may step away from it again rather than attempting to explain it all for certain.

Tyr is currently my pick, but that may change with coming patches.

After being a boss in the Megadungeon be the endboss for the expansion? Nah.

[Valysar]

Maybe they'll be in the next xpac, since it'll be about Elementals

[Aeluron Lightsong]

The two Incarnates being the end bosses would be well lesser then other endbosses if that is to be the case.

[Well Done Steak]

Doesn't it strike you guys weird that Deios turned proto nozzy into murozond?

The true Murozond will be created after Nozzy regains his aspect powers.

The infinite flight story is done FOR NOW, as blizz stated.

Fyrakk and Vyronoth do not have the weight to be expansion endbosses.

It has to be AT LEAST, either Odyn, Muro or Iri. Tyr probably not since it seems like he's the only titan keeper that can turn on the pantheon.

This isn't an emerald dream centric expansion, it's a titanic / draconic one. We're not ending this with ED shenanigans.

[Nymrohd]

We could always get surprise Tiamat at the end.

[Raetary]

This isn't an emerald dream centric expansion, it's a titanic / draconic one. We're not ending this with ED shenanigans.

The ED is a titanic construct, and the green dragons entire existence revolves around protecting it.

[Well Done Steak]

The ED is a titanic construct, and the green dragons entire existence revolves around protecting it.

Yeah but the Ed is the ED. It's important on its own and needs safe guarding.

That doesn't resolve the titan problem that's been building up this expansion.

To resolve this draconic/titanic issue then the endboss must be one of those 3 entities.

Odyn has a strong disdain for dragons.

Nozzy is essentially a glorified titanic tool to secure their own interests. Murozond is what happens when he realizes this.

Iridikron, well he's self explanatory.

But Vyr and Fyr in the ED?

That just screams mid expansion. That does nothing to resolve this supposed issue between the titans and the dragons which is the primary theme of DF

And again, those two don't have enough lore weight or popularity to be endbosses.

Plus, there's too much time between 10.2 and 11.0 for there not to be a 10.3.

And fated raids are stupid and a crutch for a lack of content brought on by compromised dev time due to covid and a toxic work place being brought to light

[Paula Deen]

The Dark Below. They have the trademark.

They have teased several times something dark being down there. Could also square away a kind of revamp that way with entrances everywhere. Would explain the rush to perfect the Zaralek Tech. Would explain the Earthen Odyn mentioned.

[Santandame]

We could always get surprise Tiamat at the end.

This is how I see it going if the expansion ends with a mega dungeon to tide us over.

[Foreign Exchange Ztudent]

The canonicity of Shadowlands is just something that at this point we have no clarity on. I just feel like speculating with the lore of Shadowlands is just like speculating on Spirit/Primal Life/Life with WoD.

There will be no clarity and while yes you can take the Megadungeon Finale and run with its implications. No one is going to seriously outline the Narrative that is front and center because it is too insane and absurd to lay out for everyone in this thread, let alone the actual audience of this game without everyone going insane-o blammo mode because no civility can be arranged on the subject.

Especially when everyone is salivating for a Revamp that does not exist but everyone wants to be real instead of "WORLD SOUL" shenanigans Part 5.

Fundamentally I don't think Steve Danuser and his team can ever do anything with this narrative because the implications are too massive he will always get cold feet about this entire storyline which makes it just a weird situation where we just repeat this same storyline over and over without any resolution because there cannot be a resolution.

With the clarity of the Gilneas question, the Devourer Storyline, The "Fracturing". It is pretty evident that there are back ups in case we ever do get done with the World Soul. It is just that the World Soul is not going to be deleted anytime soon.

Unless again the whole reinforcing of the Awakening via Zereth Mortis means that Steve and his team finally has just decided to yeet Azeroth in the next expansions.

[AOL Instant Messenger]

The Dark Below. They have the trademark.

They have teased several times something dark being down there. Could also square away a kind of revamp that way with entrances everywhere. Would explain the rush to perfect the Zaralek Tech. Would explain the Earthen Odyn mentioned.

I would love to see an underground expansion, especially if Azjol-Nerub winds up involved. That said, I'm doubtful they'd reuse an old trademark. I could see this making sense, though I could also see this transition technology also being used for, say, a partial revamp of a particular location to allow for a smooth transition between the updated subset of the continent and the rest of it. It is noteworthy that Blizzard would develop this technology in the first place and fixate on it so much, so I'm definitely not inclined to dismiss anything in that spirit. I'm definitely keeping an eye on any mention of that going forward.

[Well Done Steak]

https://www.wowhead.com/npc=209592/eco-dome-hole-large

Added 10.1.7

I swear everyday I'm more and more convinced that 11.0 is karesh as the staging ground for the light vs void war.

Also....

https://wowpedia.fandom.com/wiki/Melinor

[Foreign Exchange Ztudent]

Very curious stuff, but I feel like we are just putting so much into what this next expansion looks like now.

There has to be more than 1 expansion with all these connections on the pinboard.

I definitely wonder the pitch for this expansion if it features all of this.

It must have a clear conclusion that opens up for this grand concept in this expansion or the CGI Cinematic has to be leading into a massive Expansion concept like Legion that I am assured of.

No Revamp in sight unless they go for feeding the audience with a half measure by having a update surrounding EK and Kalimdor updates with a different Team (Not happening.)

[AOL Instant Messenger]

https://www.wowhead.com/npc=209592/eco-dome-hole-large

Well, isn't that peculiar?

[Kiivar86]

While it is peculiar, one thing that comes to mind is if there's another mage tower-like thing coming (as those class sets/weapons seems to imply), they may be involved in quests with it too.

[AOL Instant Messenger]

While it is peculiar, one thing that comes to mind is if there's another mage tower-like thing coming (as those class sets/weapons seems to imply), they may be involved in quests with it too.

True. Maybe we'll be visiting a Netherguard- or Shadowguard-run planet or shard of a planet for an excursion during one of those quests.

[Well Done Steak]

While it is peculiar, one thing that comes to mind is if there's another mage tower-like thing coming (as those class sets/weapons seems to imply), they may be involved in quests with it too.

Probably, essentially since who ever is interested in us and is leaving those void coins is also interested in our sense of style.

Something with ethereals coming and I'm convinced we're going to karesh in 11.0.

The infinite shenanigans will ultimately end up in bringing Yrel to us.

The light Mother will compel her to travel to Karesh if it really is a vulnerable spot for the void lords given what transpired with dimensius.