Midnight 12.X Patches & World Soul Saga Speculation Thread

[Joshuaj]

yeah, BELFS are the majority but they still dont look like cute half animal people, they are just elfs.

the other person said how it wanted bunny girls, i'm not juding LMFAO. but there is no race that looks like this in warcraft:


the closer one, is dracthyr visage form.



it is really obvious how this particular race was done to attract some final fantasy players. i'm not saying its wrong, but thats what they did.

and yeah, i can see they doing a cute animal-elf people to attract more players that like this stuff.

Yeah, I don't wait a race in WoW that looks like Humans or Elves but with bunny ears...

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It works in FFXIV cause it's literally if an anime was a game. But WoW ain't that: It's the epitome of your typical sci-fi/fantasy adventure.

[Wyrt]

I'm still kinda surprised draenei aren't as high as I expected them to be. Below dwarves, even.

Draenei are burdened with bad racials and being completely plot irrelevant for every expansion except 3.

[Kilpi]

While WoW can be put on consoles, I genuinely don't see the point. The amount of extra polish required and game design changes for a limited pay-off because realistically, how many players are they going to get is just not worth it.

It's the same thing with putting it on Gamepass or going F2P. Yeah, they can definitely do that, but how exactly would they benfit from that?

PS5 release would make more sense than Xbox, of they want new players.

[Casualist34]

While WoW can be put on consoles, I genuinely don't see the point. The amount of extra polish required and game design changes for a limited pay-off because realistically, how many players are they going to get is just not worth it.

It's the same thing with putting it on Gamepass or going F2P. Yeah, they can definitely do that, but how exactly would they benfit from that?

Well the console realease can bring a lot new players or can persuade casuals to play again on tv from couch.

They could use same model as ESO - with game pass Ultimate you would get base game ( with some disadvantages ) and with paid blizz model you can play normal. So there are some “money” worth it.

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Well more console realease would be nice but XBOX owns Blizz so i dont think they would shoot themself in feet with PS release from start.

[Kereberus]

Has there been any mounts from the PTR that point to a Ultimate edition mount for midnight?

[Limayria]

Yeah, I don't wait a race in WoW that looks like Humans or Elves but with bunny ears...

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It works in FFXIV cause it's literally if an anime was a game. But WoW ain't that: It's the epitome of your typical sci-fi/fantasy adventure.

anime isnt even close to a monolith its a medium not a genre. ff14 feels "anime" to people because it draws inspiration from previous ff games which were influential on some types of anime

we also already have "race but with X animal characteristic" with the highmountian tauren who are just tauren with antlers why is it reasonable that tauren foster a relationship with a wild god and get antlers but elves fostering a relationship with a moon rabbit wild god a bridge too far?

[Khaza-R]

The fact remains, though, that if you grew up on the RTS games or even other fantasy like LotR, there is no way for you to realise the traditional elven ranger archetype in WoW at the present.

Yes, current options share 90% of what makes WC2 Alleria, WC3 Sylvanas (pre-banshee), and Legolas so iconic. But there are pretty key differences that some just can't seem to swallow. For example all the red and violet colour palettes of Void/Blood Elves, Blood Elves being members of the Horde, and the generally vengeful and gloomy attitude within both races. Not to mention Night Elves are quite different both aesthetically and thematically from "generic" elves.

The same could be said for several missing archetypes, by the way. Night Elf Wardens and Ogre Magi to name a couple.

People literally just want to live out those fantasies they grew up with. That's my belief, anyhow. Blizzard should let them.

Just add innocent little daytime-loving, forest green, sexy elves without any drawbacks or asterisks and sub numbers will explode.

Again, I really doubt that someone isn't touching the game because of some very specific fantasy they can't live out. Let alone some mass number of them. If people had any interest at all, they would already being playing the next best thing. Just like they always have since the days of vanilla a Xxlegolazxx and Drizztz Night Elf hunters running around.

[Makorus]

anime isnt even close to a monolith its a medium not a genre. ff14 feels "anime" to people because it draws inspiration from previous ff games which were influential on some types of anime

we also already have "race but with X animal characteristic" with the highmountian tauren who are just tauren with antlers why is it reasonable that tauren foster a relationship with a wild god and get antlers but elves fostering a relationship with a moon rabbit wild god a bridge too far?

This sounds stupid, but just like with most things in this fandom:

Moose = manly = good
Rabbit = cute = girly = bad

Sad state of affairs but...

[Khaza-R]

anime isnt even close to a monolith its a medium not a genre. ff14 feels "anime" to people because it draws inspiration from previous ff games which were influential on some types of anime

we also already have "race but with X animal characteristic" with the highmountian tauren who are just tauren with antlers why is it reasonable that tauren foster a relationship with a wild god and get antlers but elves fostering a relationship with a moon rabbit wild god a bridge too far?

Idk. There's a very huge difference between Highmountain Tauren and just slapping random animal parts on a sexy human and calling it a day, like many Asian MMOs tend to do. Its pretty lazy so I can see why people are adverse to it.

[Joshuaj]

anime isnt even close to a monolith its a medium not a genre. ff14 feels "anime" to people because it draws inspiration from previous ff games which were influential on some types of anime

we also already have "race but with X animal characteristic" with the highmountian tauren who are just tauren with antlers why is it reasonable that tauren foster a relationship with a wild god and get antlers but elves fostering a relationship with a moon rabbit wild god a bridge too far?

I mean, FFXIV also feels anime cause of the music, the boss designs, the characters we play as, etc...

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"we also already have "race but with X animal characteristic" with the highmountian tauren who are just tauren with antlers why is it reasonable that tauren foster a relationship with a wild god and get antlers but elves fostering a relationship with a moon rabbit wild god a bridge too far?"

Not really my point. The Highmountain Tauren get a slight excuse for being both an allied race, as well as a race that branched itself from an already cow-like species. I'm just saying, IF there is a bunny-like Elf race in WoW, then I want it to have more than just bunny ears. I want it to have fur around the arms and whatnot, whiskers, a bunny tail, and maybe Bunny-like legs.

[Limayria]

Idk. There's a very huge difference between Highmountain Tauren and just slapping random animal parts on a sexy human and calling it a day, like many Asian MMOs tend to do. Its pretty lazy so I can see why people are adverse to it.

But it's not "random animal parts" it's building off multiple real world inspirations, as wow always does for its cultures? Tying together the moon/life connection while also introducing a culture with aesthetic inspirations that aren't currently in the game (feudal Japanese) and building off established lore (Elune -elves - life connections) and could also tie into the rabbit mount we got

But also rabbits are creatures deeply intwined with real world mythology and are almost completely unrepresented in wow even tho there are multiple really good ways to implement them

Like Al mi-raj would have been perfect with the Arabian vibes of k'aresh but we got more foxes

[Merryck]

Harranir would've actually been a pretty good opportunity to add rabbit elves. Not that I want rabbit elves, mind you. In fact I'm glad Blizzard missed this opportunity. And that Harranir aren't playable.

[Joshuaj]

Idk. There's a very huge difference between Highmountain Tauren and just slapping random animal parts on a sexy human and calling it a day, like many Asian MMOs tend to do. Its pretty lazy so I can see why people are adverse to it.

Not to mention you can already put bunny ears on a Human, Elf, Draenei, etc.

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But it's not "random animal parts" it's building off multiple real world inspirations, as wow always does for its cultures? Tying together the moon/life connection while also introducing a culture with aesthetic inspirations that aren't currently in the game (feudal Japanese) and building off established lore (Elune -elves - life connections) and could also tie into the rabbit mount we got

But also rabbits are creatures deeply intwined with real world mythology and are almost completely unrepresented in wow even tho there are multiple really good ways to implement them

Like Al mi-raj would have been perfect with the Arabian vibes of k'aresh but we got more foxes

WoW animal-like creatures tend to actually be animalistic in nature though, is our point. There's a reason the only cat people we have in WoW so far are the Saberon.

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Azeroth has the Worgen

Draenor has the Saberon

[Xilurm]

Just give us Ethereals and make them from scratch, completely new animations and models and skeletons. Like it was done with the Worgen and the Goblins. Make them Neutral and let them choose a faction at the end of their starting zone.

Do the same thing with Naga a couple of years later and that's it. I mean what other race do we need?

[huth]

This sounds stupid, but just like with most things in this fandom:

Moose = manly = good
Rabbit = cute = girly = bad

Sad state of affairs but...

Real men wear pink bikinis. Especially Kul Tirans. While dancing in the middle of Dornogal.

[Hearthfinder]

Again, I really doubt that someone isn't touching the game because of some very specific fantasy they can't live out. Let alone some mass number of them. If people had any interest at all, they would already being playing the next best thing. Just like they always have since the days of vanilla a Xxlegolazxx and Drizztz Night Elf hunters running around.

You could be right, although I suspect Blizzard sits on top of a mountain of telemetry and player feedback that could tell a different story. There's a reason for them adding content like Death Knights and Demon Hunters over time, after all.

Maybe WoW on Game Pass (and possibly Xbox) opens it up to a large potential segment of new players, more interested in a specific type of characters.

Perhaps there's a massive group of past subscribers that they've surveyed, many of which responding with various features they'd like to see in the game.

What if all those endless forum threads on playable High Elves are representative of a broad appeal to a lot of people over time, and not merely something a select group of players obsess about.

No clue! But it'll be very interesting to find out what they have planned for us.

[Xilurm]

You could be right, although I suspect Blizzard sits on top of a mountain of telemetry and player feedback that could tell a different story. There's a reason for them adding content like Death Knights and Demon Hunters over time, after all.

Well those two specifically are Warcraft 3 classes and are VERY cool so it was a no braining in adding them. And Panda/Monk felt more like a passion project for Metzen and Samwise.

Dracthyr on the other hand... People have liked Dragons since the start, but I definitely think the race would've been better received if the dragon half was more the usual 4 legged Draconid we've known so far. Hell they wouldn't even need armor.

[Hearthfinder]

Well those two specifically are Warcraft 3 classes and are VERY cool so it was a no braining in adding them. And Panda/Monk felt more like a passion project for Metzen and Samwise.

Dracthyr on the other hand... People have liked Dragons since the start, but I definitely think the race would've been better received if the dragon half was more the usual 4 legged Draconid we've known so far. Hell they wouldn't even need armor.

Here's kind of how I see it.

In the past, they just kept cashing in (rather shamelessly I suppose) on old fan favourites from the RTS games.

Outland, Northrend, Illidan and Kael'thas, the Lich King, Deathwing, and so on. Even by bringing back Draenor with WoD, that gave them an opportunity to keep doing it. I'd argue this culminated in Legion with Illidan and the Demon Hunters, before Blizzard gradually stopped doing it as much.

Ever since, they've been in a creative mode that says: "the old guard is gone, this is a new era, let's get creative". For better or worse.

While we've had quite nice additions like the Dracthyr and Evoker, as well as the Earthen, they just don't seem to resonate as much. It seems like players want the older things they still feel are missing from the game. Truth be told, one could probably make the argument that if Blizzard had instead added Dragonkin or the Dragonsworn in Dragonflight, or Vrykul instead of Earthen in TWW, results would have been better.

It's just a matter of finding the right time to add it, and in what order. But I'm positive either of these would hit the mark:

- Race: Ogre
- Race: High Elf
- Race: Forest Troll
- Race: Ethereal
- Race: Wildhammer Dwarf (proper ones)
- Race: Naga
- Race: Vrykul
- Class: Tinker
- Class: Necromancer
- Etc.

This is tangentially related to features like Player Housng and World Revamp as well, by the way. At some point they might not have been on Blizzard's map, but persistent feedback from fans over many years eventually inspired them to focus their efforts on getting it done (when the time is right, of course).

[Xilurm]

Here's kind of how I see it.

In the past, they just kept cashing in (rather shamelessly I suppose) on old fan favourites from the RTS games.

Outland, Northrend, Illidan and Kael'thas, the Lich King, Deathwing, and so on. Even by bringing back Draenor with WoD, that gave them an opportunity to keep doing it. I'd argue this culminated in Legion with Illidan and the Demon Hunters, before Blizzard gradually stopped doing it as much.

Ever since, they've been in a creative mode that says: "the old guard is gone, this is a new era, let's get creative". For better or worse.

While we've had quite nice additions like the Dracthyr and Evoker, as well as the Earthen, they just don't seem to resonate as much. It seems like players want the older things they still feel are missing from the game. Truth be told, one could probably make the argument that if Blizzard had instead added Dragonkin or the Dragonsworn in Dragonflight, or Vrykul instead of Earthen in TWW, results would have been better.

It's just a matter of finding the right time to add it, and in what order. But I'm positive either of these would hit the mark:

- Race: Ogre
- Race: High Elf
- Race: Forest Troll
- Race: Ethereal
- Race: Wildhammer Dwarf (proper ones)
- Race: Naga
- Race: Vrykul
- Class: Tinker
- Class: Necromancer
- Etc.

This is tangentially related to features like Player Housng and World Revamp as well, by the way. At some point they might not have been on Blizzard's map, but persistent feedback from fans over many years eventually inspired them to focus their efforts on getting it done (when the time is right, of course).

Yeah they have tons of choices. They just need to make them quality additions. Because honestly, the allied races ain't that.

[Khaza-R]

But it's not "random animal parts" it's building off multiple real world inspirations, as wow always does for its cultures? Tying together the moon/life connection while also introducing a culture with aesthetic inspirations that aren't currently in the game (feudal Japanese) and building off established lore (Elune -elves - life connections) and could also tie into the rabbit mount we got

But also rabbits are creatures deeply intwined with real world mythology and are almost completely unrepresented in wow even tho there are multiple really good ways to implement them

Like Al mi-raj would have been perfect with the Arabian vibes of k'aresh but we got more foxes

I mean, if you're just arguing for the sheer existence of bunny elves or cat elves, sure they're entirely possible.

We already essentially have "bird elves" and "snake elves" in the WarCraft universe. You'll notice they are more animalistic looking than their Asian MMO counterparts. Which is really my main point. Asian MMO beast races tend to me like 98% human in appearance. Even if these same concepts were inserted into WarCraft they would look wildly different.



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You could be right, although I suspect Blizzard sits on top of a mountain of telemetry and player feedback that could tell a different story. There's a reason for them adding content like Death Knights and Demon Hunters over time, after all.

Maybe WoW on Game Pass (and possibly Xbox) opens it up to a large potential segment of new players, more interested in a specific type of characters.

Perhaps there's a massive group of past subscribers that they've surveyed, many of which responding with various features they'd like to see in the game.

What if all those endless forum threads on playable High Elves are representative of a broad appeal to a lot of people over time, and not merely something a select group of players obsess about.

No clue! But it'll be very interesting to find out what they have planned for us.

For the record, I think its entirely possible that High Elves get added in Midnight. But my take is that would be just because they did the work creating customizations for NPCs and they can get value added out of making and AR from like Earthen.

Ironically I don't think popularity plays a huge factor into what they decide to make as ARs. Or else we probably wouldn't have gotten like 1/2 of the ones they added in BfA and we would of never seen Earthen. Especially since I've never seen a single request to make them playable in all my years of playing WoW.