Midnight 12.X Patches & World Soul Saga Speculation Thread

[Khaza-R]

I wonder if Zul'drak and the Drakkari will have a bit of a spotlight in parts of TLT with all the assets they'll have from the Amani. You also have to figure them and the Taunka are both original children of Azeroth, I wonder if they'll explore that dynamic at all.

Personally I would love if they got more folded into the higher ranks of the Scourge leadership. Maybe using voodoo combined with necromancy to refreshen up the Scourges aesthetics for TLT.

[Joshuaj]

OMG!!! Guys, what if they focus every patch/x.0 on a single race/culture for the whole saga??

11.0 - Earthen (a bit of Nerubeans if I may add)
11.1 - Goblins
11.2 - Kareshi (Ethereals)

12.0 - Blood Elves/Elves

Maybe? This is what I was thinking for Midnight:

12.0- Void and Sunwell (We unite the Elves and defend the Sunwell from the Void's assault)

12.1- Light and Arathi (We go to Avaloren and battle the Red Dawn and Scarlet Crusade at the Emperor's citadel)

12.2- Light Vs Shadow (Where we take the fight to Azeroth's celestial bodies, and the final raid takes place across the celestial bodies. The Light and Shadow realms could bleed into Azeroth as well, and the final location of the raid could be in a battleground where said realms clash...or maybe not idk).

[Merryck]

Maybe? This is what I was thinking for Midnight:

12.0- Void and Sunwell (We unite the Elves and defend the Sunwell from the Void's assault)

12.1- Light and Arathi (We go to Avaloren and battle the Red Dawn and Scarlet Crusade at the Emperor's citadel)

12.2- Light Vs Shadow (Where we take the fight to Azeroth's celestial bodies, and the final raid takes place across the celestial bodies. The Light and Shadow realms could bleed into Azeroth as well, and the final location of the raid could be in a battleground where said realms clash...or maybe not idk).

Avaloren seems more like a post Worldsoul saga destination. I think 12.1 will be about the Draenei and Azuremyst / Bloodmyst Isles. But I could at least see a larger fleet from Avaloren arriving in Midnight.

[Limayria]

Avaloren seems more like a post Worldsoul saga destination. I think 12.1 will be about the Draenei and Azuremyst / Bloodmyst Isles. But I could at least see a larger fleet from Avaloren arriving in Midnight.

the fleet is gonna arrive as part of 12.1 raid, with turyalon as the final boss

[Paula Deen]

Why do people keep saying this. We had Dragonflight s4 & MoP remix at the same time. We'll probably get Legion Remix & TWW s4 in 11.2.7

I am not so sure. I dont think DF S4 did too hot. If I was a betting man I would say we get no S4. We get the housing update and remix.

[Dracullus]

I am not so sure. I dont think DF S4 did too hot. If I was a betting man I would say we get no S4. We get the housing update and remix.

Legion Remix and housing are both too big to release them at same time. And when Legion Remix launch, people will abandon S3 completely, so 11.2.5 (2 months into K'aresh) is way too early for that, it's place for smaller stuff like hinted "new spooky game mode".

So only reasonable place for housing is pre-patch, which probably will come late January. Maybe they will even line up housing launch with 3rd anniversary of trading post, seems like these two systems will be heavily connected.

Either that or some extra 11.2.9 patch focused solely on housing (but it would also create need for S4). But I think just prepatch and Midnight in March.

[Paula Deen]

Legion Remix and housing are both too big to release them at same time. And when Legion Remix launch, people will abandon S3 completely, so 11.2.5 (2 months into K'aresh) is way too early for that, it's place for smaller stuff like hinted "new spooky game mode".

So only reasonable place for housing is pre-patch, which probably will come late January. Maybe they will even line up housing launch with 3rd anniversary of trading post, seems like these two systems will be heavily connected.

Either that or some extra 11.2.9 patch focused solely on housing (but it would also create need for S4). But I think just prepatch and Midnight in March.

We already know they do release very close together though. The Roadmap shows as such.

[Joshuaj]

Avaloren seems more like a post Worldsoul saga destination. I think 12.1 will be about the Draenei and Azuremyst / Bloodmyst Isles. But I could at least see a larger fleet from Avaloren arriving in Midnight.

That's what I thought as well initially, but now? Idk...

Avaloren could easily connect itself to the Worldsoul Saga, especially if it's the same location that houses the Titanforged heretics.

[Merryck]

That's what I thought as well initially, but now? Idk...

Avaloren could easily connect itself to the Worldsoul Saga, especially if it's the same location that houses the Titanforged heretics.

Don't you think Avaloren would be wasted on patch content?

[Jolly Roger]

Does it matter? And, really, it wasn't. Sylvanas was set up in Legion -> BfA is 50% about Sylvanas -> Shadowlands is entirely about Sylvanas.

Just like The Worldsoul Saga is primarily following the Worldsoul, The Fourth War Saga is following Sylvanas.

sylvanas was in one questline in one zone

thats like saying legion was about runas

[Lorgar Aurelian]

I think some of them actually already have?

Think the only mention we have is exploring Northrend saying the drakkari survivors are scattered around the zone, no mention of other ice trolls rather returning from Mop or other tribes.

[Viridiel]

Think the only mention we have is exploring Northrend saying the drakkari survivors are scattered around the zone, no mention of other ice trolls rather returning from Mop or other tribes.

The Winterax tribe apparently relocated to Zul'drak, but that was actually before we came along and killed them all, so I imagine they're among the scattered drakkari now. Still, it means there's potential for some sort of Great Reunification of the ice trolls if someone is able to bring them all together.

[Makorus]

sylvanas was in one questline in one zone

thats like saying legion was about runas

That's like saying the TWW was about the Worldsoul... oh wait, it's relevant for the intro scenario, and a bit of Ringing Deeps.

[blaatschaap]

OMG!!! Guys, what if they focus every patch/x.0 on a single race/culture for the whole saga??

11.0 - Earthen (a bit of Nerubeans if I may add)
11.1 - Goblins
11.2 - Kareshi (Ethereals)

12.0 - Blood Elves/Elves

13.2 Jinyu, final saga boss, Ook Ook

[Eldryth]

Don't you think Avaloren would be wasted on patch content?

It'd definitely be wasted if they use it for a patch.

It'd be one thing if it were yet another island hidden somewhere on the current map. But the other side of Azeroth has been so mysterious, for so long, that they absolutely need to go huge and get it right when we finally go beyond the known world. It's one of the most crucial things for the long-term health of the story- if our first experience beyond the Storming Sea is yet another underwhelming continent- or even worse, just a patch zone- then that'd make people really skeptical about any more expansions that expand the setting (or greatly reinforce the doubts that they already had). On the other hand, getting it right can go a long way in rebuilding faith in the writers, so it's a big opportunity.


Also, I know most people assume that the Arathi Empire is in Avaloren and use them interchangeably, but I think it'd probably be better if they end up being separate. They can be the same, but it'd be pretty disappointing if we finally go there and find that all the hints we've gotten were for just one new continent rather than a vast and mysterious new world that we can explore over several expansions. It's a chance to massively expand the setting, and it feels like a waste imo to make it so small.

[Makorus]

I feel like they seeded too much for Avaloren to be just a patch zone.

You've got the Nightsquall, Erinethria, Naga, Keepers and most likely the Arathi.

I feel like they got at least two expansions worth of content past the Storming Sea, if they play it right.

[Nymrohd]

One thing I hope for is that Avaloren and Midnight are connected not as storylines but as use cases of a tech feature. That is, seamless transition between two different game instances on a large scale. Probably the biggest meaningful debate about Midnight is how Quel'thalas will be implemented; will it be attached to EK and thus limited in size by being adjoined to it, will it revamp Lordaeron itself which would still necessitate a transition across the Thandol Span between old and new or will it just be a different continent instance and scaled upwards (or any other idea, all are welcome). If it is the latter I believe there will still be a need for seamless transition to EK proper; it is one of the oldest requests of the playerbase with flying and Silvermoon added in the same expansion yet flying from Silvermoon to anywhere else not available.
If they do manage to create some tech that lets you change instances across a wide border instead of utilizing a tunnel that repeats a location for the time it takes to load up the new area (I still doubt they can given how badly the current tech performs when you fly to Ringing Depths) it will be used in Midnight
And it can also be used to make Avaloren LARGE and not some weird archipelago continent. Almost every expac so far adds a landmass fully explorable and then islands; the reason is simple, with flying you cannot stop exploration before the landmass is ready for release. But what if you could? We say Avaloren will be a continent but current tech and gameplay restrictions would not allow it to be much more than 4-5 zones and a few islands (or underground zones) which can be large (Dragon Isles certainly are) but not continent sized). But if they could have 8-10 ones with areas restricted with a meaninful way in lore that only become accessible as patch content and/or a second or even third expac, that WOULD be a continent. And such tech would also perhaps enable a future revamp of Kalimdor and EK which even if not scaled up would still require a dozen zones each even by the local concept of Mega Zones (classic zones merged into a current-sized zone).

Of course Avaloren could just be a huge archipelago. Just make it covered in very rough weather and part the storm slowly as needed.

[Dvalin]

Avaloren/Arathi Empire isn't Worldsoul Saga content, and especially not patch content. It's obviously seeding for future expansions.

[Nymrohd]

Avaloren/Arathi Empire isn't Worldsoul Saga content, and especially not patch content. It's obviously seeding for future expansions.

I do think an Arathi Empire fleet arriving at Quel'thalas during Midnight is not impossible. I would indeed hope it is nothing we get to see outside of a dedicated expansion for it.

[Dvalin]

I do think an Arathi Empire fleet arriving at Quel'thalas during Midnight is not impossible. I would indeed hope it is nothing we get to see outside of a dedicated expansion for it.

To be fair, their invasion-fleet for Renilash is already there; At Hallowfall. I also think we already got enough secondary/tertiary enemies for Midnight. The primal forces of the Light might also need to be represented in the patch cycle, and with the Last Titan coming after Midnight, it's probably too soon to let the Arathi invade.