Midnight 12.X Patches & World Soul Saga Speculation Thread

[Raetary]

As much as I'd like the idea, why would Outland be destroyed? It'd be a little wild lol.

Outland is already a destroyed husk, it's slowly disintegrating and its just a matter of time until it seizes to exist as a uniform landmass.

[Romanz]

Obviously this means that Midnight includes like 6 allied races on launch. Ethereals (N), Arakkoa (N), Naga (A), Ogres (H) Broken (A), Mok'nathal (H).

can you imagine the amount of money just in race changes that they'd make?

[Marlamin]

Do we still not have names on any of these tracks or anything?

This is ALOT of music to have not categorized as anything other than unknown. I don't think I saw it posted on wowhead either. Pretty odd that it hasn't been discussed more? It all seems to share a similar Motif too. Like its for something specific.

A good amount have probably been named since, but the videos are made before naming is finished so a lot is tagged as "unknown".

[Mecheon]

Obviously this means that Midnight includes like 6 allied races on launch. Ethereals (N), Arakkoa (N), Naga (A), Ogres (H) Broken (A), Mok'nathal (H).

Arakkoa are totally Alliance aligned and, as an Alliance player, we don't want Naga. They're Horde or I guess neutral at best

[Alanar]

Yeah, but Venthyr never really scratched that itch for me.
Aside from Denathrius, i find them to be too tame and friendly.
They look like Nosferatu, act like aristocratic fucks and live in gothic castles, but there isn't much horror to them.

The San'layn have a lot of potential to tap into the horror side of vampirism, if Blizzard just bothered to give them any proper development.

It would have been convienent if they would have simply linked the two together and straight up say; "this is where the san 'layn get their power from" or what ever. Just like they did with the dreadlords.

As of the horror aspect, I kinda agree, altho the Venthyr had a creepy look to them. Their overral feel/look was cool imo, they somehow clicked. Denathrius, the sword, stone gargoyles and the whole vibe.

What stands out for me as of a cool horror moment was when we saw, I believe Dreven?. Sucked life out of undead, and we walking in on him on that boat filled with San"layn.
Or the blood prince that sucked dry a gnome and vannished in smoke with a evil laugh, which was so out of the blue at the time. He quickly telelorted in and out.

[Hitei]

Arakkoa are totally Alliance aligned and, as an Alliance player, we don't want Naga. They're Horde or I guess neutral at best

They wouldn't be Horde, they nearly wiped the Darkspear out of existence.

[Limayria]

How closer? We are 16 days till the cinematics reveal. This is the endgame, my dude. Good time for true leaks to surface. And if we want to reach 5K pages till then we need to fill 15,5 pages per day with speculation and shitposts.



Ahh my man. Glad to have a fellow vampire enthusiasts.

In one of my half baked expansion ideas the antagonists are Gilneans from an alternate timeline where instead of Arugal and the worgen their choice of power against the scourgw were the Venthyr and vampiric powers.

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As Optimus Prime said:

Time to find out

On the topic of fellow vampire fans I'm 10k words into my vampire elf romance fanfiction novel

[Mecheon]

They wouldn't be Horde, they nearly wiped the Darkspear out of existence.

And they corrupted the Kul Tiran faith and sunk their fleet, to say nothing of all the obvious problems NElves have with them. The Alliance sure isn't going to want Naga either

The closest things they have to 'pals' in the game are Blood Elves. They're about the only one going to hear them out and get them to be chill. If they're going anywhere, they're going to Horde well before Alliance due to that

[Khaza-R]

And they corrupted the Kul Tiran faith and sunk their fleet, to say nothing of all the obvious problems NElves have with them. The Alliance sure isn't going to want Naga either

The closest things they have to 'pals' in the game are Blood Elves. They're about the only one going to hear them out and get them to be chill. If they're going anywhere, they're going to Horde well before Alliance due to that

I don't think playable Blood Elves have any connection to the naga. That was Kael and his forces.

Naga should probably be neutral in my opinion with different sub-factions that either identify with the highborne or want nothing to do with them. But if we were to force them into a faction, I think their interactions with Night Elves would be way more interesting than with Blood Elves and Nightborne

[Alanar]

They wouldn't be Horde, they nearly wiped the Darkspear out of existence.

I mean, they could just introduce a different group, that broke off before that or wasnt part of that attack.

[Wangming]

On the topic of fellow vampire fans I'm 10k words into my vampire elf romance fanfiction novel

Vampire elf romance novel? Sounds cool. Let me know how it goes.

I already have my urban fantasy vampire novel published in my nativa Hungarian. Translated the manuscript to English myself, now looking for a publisher.

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And they corrupted the Kul Tiran faith and sunk their fleet, to say nothing of all the obvious problems NElves have with them. The Alliance sure isn't going to want Naga either

The closest things they have to 'pals' in the game are Blood Elves. They're about the only one going to hear them out and get them to be chill. If they're going anywhere, they're going to Horde well before Alliance due to that

I mean, yeah. Kael'Thas and the Naga go way back.


The old Illidan, Kael'thas, Akama, Vashj gang was so cool.

[Alanar]

The closest things they have to 'pals' in the game are Blood Elves. They're about the only one going to hear them out and get them to be chill. If they're going anywhere, they're going to Horde well before Alliance due to that

We still have Vashj and Kael out there if we ever need them.

[Wangming]

Naga should probably be neutral in my opinion with different sub-factions that either identify with the highborne or want nothing to do with them. But if we were to force them into a faction, I think their interactions with Night Elves would be way more interesting than with Blood Elves and Nightborne

Or just give us a third faction, For me playable Naga is like, the final ultimate feature. As in i don't know what more to ask of the game if we get that. And there is overwhelming fan support for it so it has to happen sooner or later.

[Eldryth]

If Draenei were able to reunite with the Man'ari, then any race getting past that kind of past enmity is possible. But even so, I think Naga would fit best as a neutral race if they ever become playable.

Azshara joining either faction would be ludicrous. But smaller groups leaving her to side with another faction is very true to their history- that's Vashj's story, and where the Illidari Naga came from.


To me, the ideal introduction for them would be for us to form a desperate and temporary alliance with Azshara (could work in Midnight, with us allying against the Void). Naga become playable, but like Earthen, they don't truly join a faction, just choose one to play as for game mechanics. Eventually, of course, the truce ends and Azshara becomes a villain again, but the player Naga (and some NPCs) decide to stay with their new allies instead of her.

[Hitei]

And they corrupted the Kul Tiran faith and sunk their fleet

That wasn't "the Naga" it was specifically other Kul Tirans working for a Kul Tiran who made an agreement with Azshara. The Naga quite literally attempted Genocide on the Darkspear, nearly wiped them out and killed their leader. They aren't really comparable situations.

to say nothing of all the obvious problems NElves have with them

The Night elves have no "obvious problems" with the Naga. I dunno why people always weirdly think this. Like when people were angry that Tyrande for some reason wasn't in Eternal Palace to fight Azshara, when there's never, ever been personal issues between the two.

The Night Elves did not even know the Naga existed until ~25 years ago, and the only(?) major antagonistic run-in they've had was in Cata, when Azshara showed up to go "loltricked, Hyjal is on fire, nerd" to Malfurion and then teleport away.

The closest things they have to 'pals' in the game are Blood Elves. They're about the only one going to hear them out and get them to be chill. If they're going anywhere, they're going to Horde well before Alliance due to that

They aren't pals with the Blood Elves, they were allies with Kael's Sunfury detachment they met in Lordaeron and then took to Outland who were full-blown traitors to the entire rest of the Blood Elf population and whom the Blood Elves then fought against. If anything, the pals here would be the Illidari, because the Coilskar section of Vashj's forces are still active allies of the modern Illidari.

Regardless, no one else is comparable to the Horde's trolls, because Naga are the Darkspear's singular arch enemies. They despise them like literally nothing else in the world.

[Limayria]

That wasn't "the Naga" it was specifically other Kul Tirans working for a Kul Tiran who made an agreement with Azshara. The Naga quite literally attempted Genocide on the Darkspear, nearly wiped them out and killed their leader. They aren't really comparable situations.


The Night elves have no "obvious problems" with the Naga. I dunno why people always weirdly think this. Like when people were angry that Tyrande for some reason wasn't in Eternal Palace to fight Azshara, when there's never, ever been personal issues between the two.

The Night Elves did not even know the Naga existed until ~25 years ago, and the only(?) major antagonistic run-in they've had was in Cata, when Azshara showed up to go "loltricked, Hyjal is on fire, nerd" to Malfurion and then teleport away.


They aren't pals with the Blood Elves, they were allies with Kael's Sunfury detachment they met in Lordaeron and then took to Outland who were full-blown traitors to the entire rest of the Blood Elf population and whom the Blood Elves then fought against. If anything, the pals here would be the Illidari, because the Coilskar section of Vashj's forces are still active allies of the modern Illidari.

Regardless, no one else is comparable to the Horde's trolls, because Naga are the Darkspear's singular arch enemies. They despise them like literally nothing else in the world.

the illidari are the key to making midnight peak

[Wangming]

the illidari are the key to making midnight peak

Illidan himself is returning in TLL so pretty much the Illidari are the key to making the Worldsoul Saga peak.

[Viridiel]

I like this.

Its unique. Not many have suggested it.


Personally I am hoping that if they destroy it they also do something with what remains of the Draenei Starting Area, for parity.

I've mentioned it before, I think it makes so much sense. To be honest, it probably should've happened before the recent Arathi storyline so the orcs needing to settle there made a little bit more sense, but alas...

There are a lot of ways it could fit with things, too. The collapse of the WoD AU could do it, Yrel could show up and do it, something to do with Sargeras/Illidan could do it... everyone in Shattrath could evacuate to the new draenei city, and I'm pretty sure there isn't much going on outside Shattrath (a few dragons in Blade's Edge, some orcs in Nagrand). The ethereals have likely captured samples of all of the wildlife.

Alternatively, if it doesn't blow up it could be captured by an enemy, but I do think it should end up destroyed by the end regardless. Both Outland and the Azuremyst Isles seem perfect for a .1 patch that stays within the theme of TBC while still being a major change of scenery.

[genegerbread]

Do we still not have names on any of these tracks or anything?

This is ALOT of music to have not categorized as anything other than unknown. I don't think I saw it posted on wowhead either. Pretty odd that it hasn't been discussed more? It all seems to share a similar Motif too. Like its for something specific.

I'm almost certain this is the credits music

[Hitei]

Hasn't Outland already been dying for years? It was already struggling to support life in BfA. Seems like there wouldn't be much need for it to actually get blown up or anything.