Midnight 12.X Patches & World Soul Saga Speculation Thread

[Cheezits]

Dracthyr were definitely just "how do we do a drakonid with dragon features (wings, sexy human magic form)" attempt they flubbed with androgyny over classical dimorphism and gear laziness.

[Wangming]

Ogres would absolutely be a low one. They're big, fat and ugly, and you can see from Data for Azeroth when it comes to Kul Tiran what sort of numbers ogres would probably pull. They're a niche choice

Naga? Eh, they might pull some numbers, their vibe is popular enough they can probably pull a bit of a crowd, but they're absolutely not going to hit vulpera numbers. Ethereal might, and that's a big might, overtake vulpera, but I reckon they'd stick around that initial batch and wouldn't make it to the human/BElf/NElf section, being lower than orc, gatekeeper of the top three

Ogres are big, fat, ugly, and a core horde race since WarCraft 1.
They have pretty much been requested since Vanilla. Kul Tirans, not so much.

Same for vulpera. They haven't even existed in lore till BfA. Naga are a popular request.
And this is coming from someone who likes vulpera.

[Alanar]

They are not. Big and stupid orges will be like mechagnomes or Kul-tirans, with 0.1% of population.
Same with naga, on par with Dracthyrs.
People like elves for a reason. And HE crowd not dead bc of it too. People like play beautyful characters, not some bulb of fat or slimy fish.

But catgirls Ethereals?
Oh boi, they will fill their offices with cash instantly.

Nah, would set my money on naga or ogres or regular ethereals. Big money is there.

[13last]

Ehhh...

It made perfect sense for Worgen (you know, literal werewolf mythology) to be able to turn back to humans.

It also makes sense for Dracthyr to do it, cause it's the thing dragons do. At least the mature ones. The dragonkin didn't but then again that's not what we got. Dracthyr just feels like they wanted to implement something people wanted but weren't willing to go all the way.

They shouldn't do that for Naga. I'm sorry but if they can't implement Naga as they are, then they shouldn't become a playable race.

I feel like Naga having a night elf form similar to Dracthyr or Worgen would be hard to explain lore wise. Azshara is one of the most powerful sorceresses in Night Elf history and her Night Elf form is an illusion.

I'm having a hard time understanding how Naga could dispel an old gods curse but stuff has been retconned before so I guess anythings possible but idk.

[Wangming]

They shouldn't do that for Naga. I'm sorry but if they can't implement Naga as they are, then they shouldn't become a playable race.

Agreed. Blizzard likes to go all monkey paw, but when people say they want Naga, they do mean Naga.

[Makorus]

Dunno man, Azshara is pretty hot.

Lest your forget, Naga are also elves, just with a few fishy parts.

In fact they are so elves they with with bows underwater.

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Maybe not everyone wants to play Tauren or Dracthyr or Earthen so they just don't play other races. But if their favorite would be playable they would absolutely race change/roll a new character.

Don't get me wrong, I would racechange all my characters to Ogres if they released them, however, I can see why they are low priority.

[Cheezits]

ethereals, if they are playable, will get plenty of play as they are humanoid (making gear look better) without weird proportions. Also potentially fun gimmicks like after images and maybe self flying.

[Xilurm]

I feel like Naga having a night elf form similar to Dracthyr or Worgen would be hard to explain lore wise. Azshara is one of the most powerful sorceresses in Night Elf history and her Night Elf form is an illusion.

I'm having a hard time understanding how Naga could dispel an old gods curse but stuff has been retconned before so I guess anythings possible but idk.

Well yeah, and if they start adding it now it would feel cheap. That's not what the Naga are.

[Wangming]

Don't get me wrong, I would racechange all my characters to Ogres if they released them, however, I can see why they are low priority.

Yeah better make two races in a row that nobody asked for.

[Cheezits]

Yeah better make two races in a row that nobody asked for.

If it exists in Warcraft, someone has asked for it. That's why Dracthyr and KA Earthen baffled people as they are OCs, and said bafflement likely led to a pivot to a return to old world shenanigans.

Sometimes it's easier to return to fan requests (Undermine, K'aresh, Ethereals) then encouraging complete creative freedom and encouraging things that people "didn't know they would want".

[Wangming]

If it exists in Warcraft, someone has asked for it. That's why Dracthyr and KA Earthen baffled people as they are OCs, and said bafflement likely led to a pivot to a return to old world shenanigans.

Sometimes it's easier to return to fan requests (Undermine, K'aresh, Ethereals) then encouraging complete creative freedom and encouraging things that people "didn't know they would want".

Exactly the point I was trying to make. Last time we had a race people actually asked for was BfA. And last time we had a class people actually asked for was Legion. We had three expansions since BfA, four since Legion.

[Enrif]

Well, after Helf, we are all out of elves so they will have to add something else.

Naga are elves too. Just using the same shapechange as worgen. Naga form is the default form, and out of combat they can turn into snake elves!

[FossilFree]

They should really add Wildhammer dwarves as a full allied race with its own racial abilities, heritage armor, and mount. Tattoos for Bronzebeards doesn't really adequately capture the fantasy.

They could do Wildhammers for Alliance, Amani for Horde, and High Elves could just be a merging of Blood and Void Elves into a Pandaren "choose your faction" kind of race.

[Khaza-R]

Yeah better make two races in a row that nobody asked for.

Tbf, there was a poll a while back on people's most wanted races. Ethereal was #1. #2 was Ogre, followed by Vykrul and Naga. So might not be as unpopular as people think.

But that said, I don't see Ogres becoming playable during the saga. Unless there's some very random return to Draenor patch in Midnight.

[Cheezits]

Dracthyr could have been really cool, had they been built off of what existed already in the form of the Drakonids. They fit the game's style of exaggerated proportions much better than what we ended up getting.

They were definitely made the way they were intentionally, but considering the very next new race overhaul (Ethereals) added boobs and wide hips to a formerly androgynous race, that invention is no longer in the cards.

I would hope the DF era artists aren't too upset about it but the writing is on the wall that someone told the devs to "return to tradition" as it were.

[Khaza-R]

They should really add Wildhammer dwarves as a full allied race with its own racial abilities, heritage armor, and mount. Tattoos for Bronzebeards doesn't really adequately capture the fantasy.

They could do Wildhammers for Alliance, Amani for Horde, and High Elves could just be a merging of Blood and Void Elves into a Pandaren "choose your faction" kind of race.

As much as I like dwarves, we really don't need a 4th version of them.

[Makorus]

Yeah better make two races in a row that nobody asked for.

Earthen weren't "made" to be a race, they were made a race because all the assets already existed.

Dracthyr were definitely asked for, maybe not in the way they were added, but I feel like it was more a class concept turned into a race than anything else anyway.

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Exactly the point I was trying to make. Last time we had a race people actually asked for was BfA. And last time we had a class people actually asked for was Legion. We had three expansions since BfA, four since Legion.

And all the races people asked for are at the bottom in terms of playcount, with the one thing that they didn't (Void Elves) being the fourth most played race.

Sending a great message.

[FossilFree]

As much as I like dwarves, we really don't need a 4th version of them.

They are kinda a big deal lorewise and their absence is glaring. I don't care how many dwarves there are either, no one cares when it comes to versions of elves.

[Cheezits]

Earthen weren't "made" to be a race, they were made a race because all the assets already existed.

Yes, but they exist conceptually because the expansion was made with the idea of making new versions of Earthen and Nerubians instead of using the old versions. Haranir also probably resemble a similar idea. Considering the rest of the expansion was scrapped, it probably wasn't well received internally, something that has been implied and downright stated a few times.

[Makorus]

Yes, but they exist conceptually because the expansion was made with the idea of making new versions of Earthen and Nerubians instead of using the old versions. Haranir also probably resemble a similar idea. Considering the rest of the expansion was scrapped, it probably wasn't well received internally, something that has been implied and downright stated a few times.

It wasn't well-received internally because Metzen wanted to stretch the plot across three expansions.

And the way it is looking right now, it is very stretched.