Midnight 12.X Patches & World Soul Saga Speculation Thread

[Enrif]

I feel like Naga having a night elf form similar to Dracthyr or Worgen would be hard to explain lore wise. Azshara is one of the most powerful sorceresses in Night Elf history and her Night Elf form is an illusion.

I'm having a hard time understanding how Naga could dispel an old gods curse but stuff has been retconned before so I guess anythings possible but idk.

easy, the VOID. Azhara is after her deal withN'zoth away to new masters, and TWW gave us the more humanoid nerubians. So, why not use the same angle for Naga? Not to make them just night elves again, but perhaps elves with serpentine features. Snake skin, slitted pupils. Think Yuan-Ti of D&D

[Xilurm]

Naga are elves too. Just using the same shapechange as worgen. Naga form is the default form, and out of combat they can turn into snake elves!

Please no...

[Cheezits]

It wasn't well-received internally because Metzen wanted to stretch the plot across three expansions.

And the way it is looking right now, it is very stretched.

Nothing in TWW points to Quel'thalas or Northrend, implying those ideas were added onto some of TWWs existing ideas.

The worldcore and maybe the rootlands will be used again, but KA went directly to the worldcore- Northrend was not needed.

[Monkal]

Race selection should go something like this:

1.Dwarf
1.1. Bronzebeard
1.2. Dark Iron
1.3. Wildhammer
1.4. Earthen (A/H)

2. Elf
2.1. Night Elf (A)
2.2. Void Elf (A)
2.3. Blood Elf (H)
2.4. Nightborne (H)

3. Human
3.1. Stormwind human
3.2. Worgen
3.3. Kul Tiran

Make a "core" race the first thing you choose, then the specific culture with its available faction(s).

Simple lore blurbs are optional but I think would be helpful to new players, as I've argued in previous posts.

[Xilurm]

easy, the VOID. Azhara is after her deal withN'zoth away to new masters, and TWW gave us the more humanoid nerubians. So, why not use the same angle for Naga? Not to make them just night elves again, but perhaps elves with serpentine features. Snake skin, slitted pupils. Think Yuan-Ti of D&D

But that's not the point. If the only reason they do that is so they can sell the race more (assuming people wouldn't play it because it wouldn't have a "sexy elf" mode) then that's lame. Twisting the lore so they can become playable.

[Enrif]

If it exists in Warcraft, someone has asked for it. That's why Dracthyr and KA Earthen baffled people as they are OCs, and said bafflement likely led to a pivot to a return to old world shenanigans.

Sometimes it's easier to return to fan requests (Undermine, K'aresh, Ethereals) then encouraging complete creative freedom and encouraging things that people "didn't know they would want".

Earthen are a perfectly fine stand in for the earthen we have seen since classic. They are actually much less OC than the Mag'har we got

[ImTheMizAwesome]

So we have night elves, blood elves, nightborne elves, void elves, dracthyr visage is using male blood elf body and human female body with pointy ears with most people making them look like elves too, some races got elf ears too, now we might get High elves with blood elves model again.

Demon hunters class for elves makes sense, but again only for elves, evoker pretty much tied to first half of blood elves model on dude side, now all that's left is us getting another elf only class.

[Enrif]

Please no...

why not? and let's be realistic: The snake lowerbody will always be an issue, because of mounts. That could solve it.

[Xilurm]

why not? and let's be realistic: The snake lowerbody will always be an issue, because of mounts. That could solve it.

It doesn't need to be solved. Because that's not a Naga, not what people who ask for Naga want.

[Enrif]

But that's not the point. If the only reason they do that is so they can sell the race more (assuming people wouldn't play it because it wouldn't have a "sexy elf" mode) then that's lame. Twisting the lore so they can become playable.

There is no twisting the lore, as it uses exactly what is lore now. The void changed the elves into Naga. The void changed the Nerubians into ascendant Nerubians. Naga have some weird mutations: hulking brutes (with legs!), three tailed ones, four armed ones, Azhara herself. Mutation to have them playable is more than reasonable in the context of the lore.

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It doesn't need to be solved. Because that's not a Naga, not what people who ask for Naga want.

if you don't solve the issue, they can't use mounts, a HUGE part of the game. Either that, or no Naga ever.

[milkmustache]

They were definitely made the way they were intentionally, but considering the very next new race overhaul (Ethereals) added boobs and wide hips to a formerly androgynous race, that invention is no longer in the cards.

I would hope the DF era artists aren't too upset about it but the writing is on the wall that someone told the devs to "return to tradition" as it were.

Metzen had implied in the WoWCast that it wasn't necessarily a resounding roar of applause for him coming in and making story changes, but I think they'll be for the better. TWW's had some issues with pacing, abandoning Khaz Algar following 11.0, but I think it's a much better expansion than Dragonflight. It inherently feels a lot more like Warcraft... which sucks, because the dragonflights are as Warcraft as you can get. There was a lack of uniqueness between the dragonflights that really left a bad taste for me. Very super sentai, only difference is their colors.

I guess it's maybe a little odd that a race of contained energy needs gendered forms, but in complete fairness, the single form that had originally been shown could be said to be objectively male.

[Cheezits]

Again, people want the Old Thing, not a new version of old thing.

Gilnean Worgen got a pass because the new theme was both very cool and also they are still regular Old Worgen, albeit with a new design, and tied to something in the old lore that needed elaboration.

[milkmustache]

So we have night elves, blood elves, nightborne elves, void elves, dracthyr visage is using male blood elf body and human female body with pointy ears with most people making them look like elves too, some races got elf ears too, now we might get High elves with blood elves model again.

Demon hunters class for elves makes sense, but again only for elves, evoker pretty much tied to first half of blood elves model on dude side, now all that's left is us getting another elf only class.

I still stand firm that Orcs should get demon hunters with the WoD fel orc skin.

[Monkal]

People in favor of Naga being added need to be realistic: they necessarily require a bipedal form for mounts and vehicles, even if the combat form remains as is.

[Cheezits]

TWW's had some issues with pacing, abandoning Khaz Algar following 11.0, but I think it's a much better expansion than Dragonflight. It inherently feels a lot more like Warcraft... which sucks, because the dragonflights are as Warcraft as you can get. There was a lack of uniqueness between the dragonflights that really left a bad taste for me. Very super sentai, only difference is their colors.

I guess it's maybe a little odd that a race of contained energy needs gendered forms, but in complete fairness, the single form that had originally been shown could be said to be objectively male.

While I'm not going to get into the weeds of it, as what I'm saying may be misconstrued to be hateful, it definitely feels like post-11.0 is a move away from Warcraft feeling too much like the current idealized form of America and moreso its own fantasy realm with elements bizarre and ridiculous.

I'm not expecting Ethereal labor unions, let's say.

[KOUNTERPARTS]

Has it been confirmed or just speculated that the "rivals" Dimenisus consumed/absorbed/defeated/whatever were other Void Lords?

[Cheezits]

Has it been confirmed or just speculated that the "rivals" Dimenisus consumed/absorbed/defeated/whatever were other Void Lords?

Its confirmed he consumed SOME of them, as he spits two of them out during the fight.

[Capivara]

People in favor of Naga being added need to be realistic: they necessarily require a bipedal form for mounts and vehicles, even if the combat form remains as is.

Maybe it can be changed to the 3 tentacle form, remain naga-like but it is easier to fit to normal mounts.

[ImTheMizAwesome]

"Buy newest MMO razor naga mouse to play new playable Naga race 3 weeks early!"

[Magistrate]

I noted someone said that the sunwell being the first raid has potential because of how quickly TWW wrapped up the KA plot.

I don't think the KA plot is the new standard, considering how the expansion changed. I expect Sunwell as the second raid at the earliest- though it truly being the final raid would be nice.

I do think an announcement cinematic opening with belfs pilgrimaging in, then an abrupt tonal shift and a full beseig/invasion of the sunwell would be pretty in line with how they've handled topics of similar scale in the past.

I could then see 12.0-12.1 as building up a force to reclaim it or doing it straight out of the gate in the 12.0 raid to give us a false sense of victory.