Midnight 12.X Patches & World Soul Saga Speculation Thread

[Magistrate]

Oh don't get me wrong, he's my fav char but he's not a hero in my book. He's an Anti Hero and I like that they went this way with him, he committed a lot of unforgiveable acts but also saved us all in the end.



I just think Blizzard need's to clean up the chart a bit, as Light definitely wants to beat void but I just don't believe it's in our best interests to have Light fully beat Void as then Light will just be a bigger primal force and if this is how Midnight goes I'm willing to bet Light turns on us after we're done with Void, or at least some part of Light factions.

This could also make sense if the Arathi Empire is an adversary in content after TLA. Assuming they don't resolve that with the trilogy.

[Timester]

1. Eversong 2.0 - Includes Belf starting area + Suramar-sized SMC (inevitably Neutral)

2. Ghostlands 2.0 - Stretches down past Deatholme to reveal a chunk of ruined Coastal Lordaeron, culminating in Stratholme's back entrance (a megadungeon or raid)

3. Amani Area - Goes from Zul'Aman to other Amani villages, with Wildhammers living in the far south.

4. Lordaeron - Cleaned up EPL and a portion of WPL with a big power struggle between Forsaken + Silver Hand vs the Red Dawn for ownership of Lordaeron. Possible Red Dawn megadungeon or raid (New Avalon?)

Would be my ideal launch. Azuremyst and Quel'danas would make good patches.

They won't do Lordaeron in 12.0. That's full Quel'thalas and Eastern Kingdoms rework together and honestly hinders a true Quel'thalas new continent possibilities of zoning.

[Magistrate]

You are comparing apples to oranges.

We have seen what the Lightforging ritual looks like when we helped T'paartos succeed.
They are trials you willingly undergo to strenghten your resolve in the Light.

Illidan did not undergo those trials, he doesn't even worship the Light to begin with, Xe'ra bound him and started infused him with Light against his will.
She not only forced her faith onto him, she went out of her way to physically alter him to fulfill that dumb prophecy of hers.

What makes you think that Xe'ra would allow him to retain autonomy and not make sure that he doesn't stray from the path she wanted for him?
Even Velen was shaken by what she did, man.

We also saw Yrel forcibly converting Orcs in Draenor and afterward they become her unquestioning warriors. So clearly the Light can do /something/ to perception at the least.

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They won't do Lordaeron in 12.0. That's full Quel'thalas and Eastern Kingdoms rework together and honestly hinders a true Quel'thalas new continent possibilities of zoning.

Yeah I feel if they do lordaeron (and there's set up with undercuty so I could see them trying, plus Sylvanas is definitely returning although we don't know in what capacity) it's going to be the "time for something different" patch in like 12.1.

Edit-- to clarify I believe 12.0 will be the beginning of a new world instance in which they start recreating all of EK from the top down, so it could make sense to rebuild Lordaeron in that same new instance with an expanded continent.

I agree with the zone breakup of quel thelas though.

[Khaza-R]

I could see Quel'Danas + Silvermoon being their own smaller zone. Especially if they up the size and urban sprawl of the city. Maybe add a causeway that connects it to the Sunwell.

The rest of Eversong + Ghostlands as another zone.

Zul'Aman as the third.

That just leaves the fourth zone unaccounted for really. But who knows, maybe Zul'Aman gets split into a 2 zones as well.

[Lorgar Aurelian]

What makes you think that Xe'ra would allow him to retain autonomy and not make sure that he doesn't stray from the path she wanted for him?
Even Velen was shaken by what she did, man.

The complete lack of this being a thing In the lore.

We know she was trying to light forge him, we know the out come of light forging, if she was going to go beyond that outcome we don’t know as she failed and it hasn’t come back up since.

Mabye we’ll find out in midnight Mabye we won’t and light will just be on our side.

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Fel and void are often conflated thematically by Blizzard in the same way Light and Arcane sometimes are by Blizzard. The cosmology didn't make many things better at all bc Blizzard mixes this stuff up all the time. I can think of plenty of times Light was shown and described as order. I can think of times Arcane was described as chaos.

I do think, to your point, we should always begin our arguments according to common understandings and rules, but it's also true Blizzard frequently is a mess on these distinctions, years ago and more recently, as well.

Arcane seems to be really in a weird place wotj them going out of there way to specify order magic as its own thing in DF and leaving all the old side effects from the pre arcane/fel split stil being a thing.

[Makorus]

The complete lack of this being a thing In the lore.

We know she was trying to light forge him, we know the out come of light forging, if she was going to go beyond that outcome we don’t know as she failed and it hasn’t come back up since.

Mabye we’ll find out in midnight Mabye we won’t and light will just be on our side.

Except Blizzard made a concious effort to introduce a different concept in BfA: Lightbinding/Lightbound.

It almost mentions this, which, quite literally, is mindcontrol lmao.

The Light Mother has blessed me with visions. I know that one day the Army of the Light will march across the Great Dark Beyond and bring order to countless worlds.

[Cheezits]

They won't do Lordaeron in 12.0. That's full Quel'thalas and Eastern Kingdoms rework together and honestly hinders a true Quel'thalas new continent possibilities of zoning.

It's just one to two zones of the EK that are attached to Quel'thalas.

If the fourth zone isn't SMC, I would much prefer it to be Lordaeron over Quel'danas or a naga whirlpool.

I am perfectly happy with Eversong/Ghostlands/Amani being expanded but the fourth zone definitely should touch on a different aesthetic, IMO.

[Timester]

It's just one to two zones of the EK that are attached to Quel'thalas.

If the fourth zone isn't SMC, I would much prefer it to be Lordaeron over Quel'danas or a naga whirlpool.

That's the thing, they aren't attached.

Lordaeron is part of Eastern Kingdom instance zone, not of Quel'thalas instance zone. Quel'thalas is even attached to Outlands, you can fly from Quel'thalas to Outlands if you have a private server.

[Makorus]

That's the thing, they aren't attached.

Lordaeron is part of Eastern Kingdom instance zone, not of Quel'thalas instance zone.

That's entirely irrelevant. You advocate for a separate instance for Midnight QT, which means they can easily just attach Lordaeron to it.

[Cheezits]

That's the thing, they aren't attached.

Lordaeron is part of Eastern Kingdom instance zone, not of Quel'thalas instance zone.

I am still hesitant on Midnight fully being a new instance because of how crazy the phasing tech would have to be.

I don't think it's going to be the old portal, and new players would laugh if they have to go through ugly looking EPL to get to the new content. And then they have to account for so many different angles the player can fly through to get to Quel'thalas 2...

[Wangming]

Because adding 10 more points to each set of hero talents is going to significantly alter how they play. As much as I'm complaining, I am very interested to see how they expand Chronowarden and Scalecommander.

Let me be real here.

I didn't like Dragonflight. I find dragons boring due to their overuse in fantasy. I didn't like Dracthyr, nor evoker. And in general I've found that hero talents didn't live up to their hype or potential.

BUT

The Bronze dragonflight themed abilities of the evoker are some of the most creative ones I've encountered in WoW. Perhaps not in what happens or how it works mechanically, but in why it happens and how it connects to time manipulation..



Dunno if there is a possibility of new Hero Talent trees, but I want to see Bladesmaster done in some form. I doubt it would fit a full class because there isn't much to switch around with, dude with a big sword, but it is one of the iconic WC3 Hero types and has a pretty iconic look to go with it.

[Timester]

I am still hesitant on Midnight fully being a new instance because of how crazy the phasing tech would have to be.

It's not phased. It will be a completely new zone with new portals. Portal A takes you to TBC Quel'thalas zone, Portal B takes you to Midnight Quel'thalas zone. That's it, like all new zones in all expansions.

[Lorgar Aurelian]

Except Blizzard made a concious effort to introduce a different concept in BfA: Lightbinding/Lightbound.

the light bound are willing orc converts, what’s her face says some orcs had the light forced on them but we don’t ever see what that looks like it could just be them being smote with it for all we know not mind control.

It almost mentions this, which, quite literally, is mindcontrol lmao.

visions of the future is foresight not mind control and the light has been able to give forsight since atleast tbc.

[Magistrate]

I am still hesitant on Midnight fully being a new instance because of how crazy the phasing tech would have to be.

I don't think it's going to be the old portal, and new players would laugh if they have to go through ugly looking EPL to get to the new content. And then they have to account for so many different angles the player can fly through to get to Quel'thalas 2...

If it was a new world instance it wouldn't need to be phased. You'd just be loading into a completely different instance.

Phasing is layers on the same instance.

If they did this approach--which would make the most sense to ensure these zones are the size and detail needed for not only dragonriding but also modern expectations, as well as creating something to build from in the future--id assume taking flight paths out of it would load you into the old world instance, you'd probably take org/sw portals in like we always do for expansions, and idk they'd probably put some invisible wall along the southern borders until they expand on it, which would also not be weird and is normal practice for this game. Since, obviously, the geography wouldn't align with vanilla content.

[Nibelheimy]

Is this the first time since cata an area has been revamped that contains a starting area?

[Cheezits]

It's not instanced. It will be a completely new zone with new portals. Portal A takes you to TBC Quel'thalas zone, Portal B takes you to Midnight Quel'thalas zone. That's it, like all new zones in all expansions.

So you don't think you'll be able to fly into Midnight Quel'thalas from the EK?

[Makorus]

I still think they are just going to attach new QT to current Eastern Kingdom, and add Soridormi next to where the portal used to be.

It makes sense for old continents to be "separate", because they were for all intents and purposes, disconnected.

Nothing would make the world feel more disconnected than having a loading screen on the same continent. That's mental. At that point, Quel'thalas is just going to be another island

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Is this the first time since cata an area has been revamped that contains a starting area?

I mean, I guess BfA?

[Cheezits]

I mean, I guess BfA?

If you mean Darkshore, I was about to say the same thing, but technically Darnassus was its own area.

[Lorgar Aurelian]

Is this the first time since cata an area has been revamped that contains a starting area?

Would Gilenas count?

[Timester]

So you don't think you'll be able to fly into Midnight Quel'thalas from the EK?

Absolutely not, that means entire Eastern Kingdom map revamp.