Midnight 12.X Patches & World Soul Saga Speculation Thread

[Makorus]

If you like a wannaba, carbon, out of the blue copy of the original then sure.

Ofc we are all joking!! Or are we.

Wait

that's Blood Elves!

[Foreign Exchange Ztudent]

That big void tornado storm thing they showed is probably your answer.

To be fair, the rift to the Void is what the power of a dead World Soul and a Voidlord (on top of all the other powers within that Heart) did while she waltzes to the Worldcore is I guess okayish.

[Xilurm]

More like boring Blood Elves that got added for plot purposes and to sate Alliance tears about High Elves.

Mostly kidding.

I wonder how low the VE population will drop once/if they introduce High Elves.

[Alanar]

Wait

that's void elves!

Fixed it for ya m8! Happens.

[Vakir]

Sorry, you're not making any sense. We have hints that something is odd with the song since before TWW started in the scene that knocked out Magni.

Yeah, I'm sorry, this is not an adequate response for what I said.

It would be enough if that scene directly challenged everything, but there's too much other evidence stacking the other way.

If a story actively lies to the player perform a twist, it means there's absolutely no rhyme or reason to any of it. Anything can happen at any time no matter how little it makes sense.

You can't go back on something designed to clarify information - otherwise you get bullshit like Chronicle being made into a Titan point of view book, but still literally using the term "world of Warcraft." Unless the Titans are going to break the fourth wall, that's a pretty large failure.

Bigger still, you can't or shouldn't outright lie in something designed to give information to people with actual disabilities. That's not just a dick move, that's actually unethical.

You can't slam the audience with a twist unless it fits with established information. And I mean explicitly established, not one character's point of view. The Aspects at the end of DF, the Earthen payoff, literal third person omniscient information given to the player, fucking accessibility data - these are all more than just Magni getting bonked out.

This isn't MGS2 lying in its trailer to make a meta commentary point. This is shit in the actual launched game.

[13last]

Fixed it for ya m8! Happens.

You guys kill me; literally, take me out until the 19th when we have a giant cheer for high elves.

Speaking of which, anyone that finished Ky'veza's delve, is she dead dead? Or was that another copy of hers?

I wonder how low the VE population will drop once/if they introduce High Elves.

I'm curious about it, they are the 3rd most played alliance race after NE and humans. I wouldn't be surprised if HE happen they'll be up there with Blood Elves

[Alanar]

You guys kill me; literally, take me out until the 19th when we have a giant cheer for high elves.
?

What does this even mean? Maybe I can cheer to lol.

[Raetary]

Idk why people are so hellbent on making the story more convoluted than it needs to be.

We have a CGI trailer and 2 in-game cinematic where the World Soul was shown, calling out directly to Anduin, Magni and Orweyna.
All 3 of which where Azeroth was warning us or directly helping fuck over Xal'ataths plans.

We also know the exact point in the timeline when the Radiant Song started, when Amirdrassil manifested onto Azeroth and connected to the Worldsoul.
Where Azeroth also manifested her power for the first time, empowering the Aspects.

Blizzard has been very direct on who that giant glowing energy ball in those cinematics is and where the Song is coming from.

Something about the radiant song is fishy, it might not be directly xal'atath talking but she might have put azeroth in a dream state so she can use her

Do you seriously consider that a possibility?

That Xal'atath, who is explicitly after the Worldsoul, somehow has the power to put Azeroth to sleep (which on its own is ridiculous, because Azeroth has been asleep up until 10.2), something which even the Titans needed an entire planet-wide network of machinery to do, but somehow has to make up a convoluted plan to gain more power so she can gobble her up?

[Makorus]

Yeah, I'm sorry, this is not an adequate response for what I said.

It would be enough if that scene directly challenged everything, but there's too much other evidence stacking the other way.

If a story actively lies to the player perform a twist, it means there's absolutely no rhyme or reason to any of it. Anything can happen at any time no matter how little it makes sense.

You can't go back on something designed to clarify information - otherwise you get bullshit like Chronicle being made into a Titan point of view book, but still literally using the term "world of Warcraft." Unless the Titans are going to break the fourth wall, that's a pretty large failure.

Bigger still, you can't or shouldn't outright lie in something designed to give information to people with actual disabilities. That's not just a dick move, that's actually unethical.

You can't slam the audience with a twist unless it fits with established information. And I mean explicitly established, not one character's point of view. The Aspects at the end of DF, the Earthen payoff, literal third person omniscient information given to the player, fucking accessibility data - these are all more than just Magni getting bonked out.

This isn't MGS2 lying in its trailer to make a meta commentary point. This is shit in the actual launched game.

Also, the implication of "Xalatath is the Radiant Song" is that... Xalatath empowered the Aspects? Which wouldn't really make sense?

[Wangming]

I dont think any one on the horde side, would care for void elves tbh.

Not Void Elfs. Or if yes, just in a sense that Blood Elves with added void on them.
What I am saying is Void and Lightforged spread to ALL races. Like for the Horde Void Orcs and Lightforged Vulpera or whatever.

[Hitei]

I wonder how low the VE population will drop once/if they introduce High Elves.

I mean, if they gave Void Elves access to Xal style eyes and tattoos, they'd be just fine.

[Cheezits]

Elf tattoos are definitely happening, I've been convinced since I saw them on Arator.

[Raetary]

Also, the implication of "Xalatath is the Radiant Song" is that... Xalatath empowered the Aspects? Which wouldn't really make sense?

Or helped save the Earthen from corruption.
Or warned Orweyna about the Goblins.
Or called out to Anduin so he can go on his journey of self-discovery.

Xal must have some real damn head injury to sow chaos only to then help out stop her own plans for the sake of cosplaying as the magic planet woman, or give out free exposure therapy.

[Kilpi]

I mean, pretty much every expansion updates one critter or another. Or updates races like Centaur, Furbolg or Kobold.
Dragonflight added ducks.

A lot of assets have been created over the years that can be used to give a face lift to old zones.

Facelift isn't a revamp or update though. The world has been in a Cataclysm state for nearly 20 years now.. A complete overhaul is needed.

[Vakir]

Also, the implication of "Xalatath is the Radiant Song" is that... Xalatath empowered the Aspects? Which wouldn't really make sense?

Nope, it sure doesn't!

It's the inverse of idiot writers trying to change things to beat Reddit rather than just tell a story.

People are so desperate to concoct plot twists or add a bunch of convolution just so they can be smugly satisfied that they said it first rather than it following a sensible story direction.

And naturally without an ounce of skin in the game. You know Enrif won't say a damn thing when it turns out this way despite the passive-aggressive quoting nonsense in their signature designed to keep score.

But trust me guys, there's a super complicated and plot twisty reason Sylvanas burns the tree down. Also, Lavaman.m2 in the files totally isn't Bolvar. Also, karesh_raid totally doesn't imply K'aresh in TWW. Also, the removal of KT and Zandalar achievement icons from data by mistake totally isn't a red flag those are the locations for BFA.

And literally dozens of other examples.

Sometimes a cigar is just a nice, thick, hot red goblin rocket.

[Makorus]

Or helped save the Earthen from corruption.
Or warned Orweyna about the Goblins.
Or called out to Anduin so he can go on his journey of self-discovery.

Xal must have some real damn head injury to sow chaos only to then help out stop her own plans for the sake of cosplaying as the magic planet woman.

Xal could have literally sent us to bum-fuck Highmountain for some "Champions! I am dying and I need you to collect these Highmountain pine cones!" action, but instead she sent us to where the whole Black Blood operation is going on and the place her whole plan hinges on.

Some schemer she is

[13last]

What does this even mean? Maybe I can cheer to lol.

I'm just excited for Midnights reveal and gonna have a hard time waiting lol, I mean come on we're going to Quel'thalas where it's been collecting dust since TBC and it's a lot of people's favorite zone. Def taking that week off.

[Wangming]

Facelift isn't a revamp or update though. The world has been in a Cataclysm state for nearly 20 years now.. A complete overhaul is needed.

I agree. But a revamp would inevitably require more HD assets. And those are ready.

[Alanar]

Not Void Elfs. Or if yes, just in a sense that Blood Elves with added void on them.
What I am saying is Void and Lightforged spread to ALL races. Like for the Horde Void Orcs and Lightforged Vulpera or whatever.

Wouldn't that just be void elves then?

I guess having doing that for every race seems a bit over the top, besides we also have shadowform, voidform, (gold version) form as well. The vibe is kinda there already Also not sure how different it will look or what we would really gain as a 'void' vulpera, how it would look like.

Man I have seen so many ideas here, but personally I think the whole character selection screen update/overhaul sounds the coolest to me. Just because, i want more customization and new races the most. Always has been the most exciting feature every time for me.

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I'm just excited for Midnights reveal and gonna have a hard time waiting lol, I mean come on we're going to Quel'thalas where it's been collecting dust since TBC and it's a lot of people's favorite zone. Def taking that week off.

Yes, that's absolutely true. It has also been one of my top zones and vibes there since their introduction in bc. Can't wait to see how an Updated silvermoon and Quel'Danas(pls, big harbor from the art) will look like.

[Enrif]

Xal literally has to exert herself over Soul-Scribe. Magni most definitely wasn't empowered by Xalatath.

Also, Xal sending us to Khaz Algar LITERALLY makes no sense.

It also makes... little consequence for the Radiant Song to be Xalatath anyway? All she said is that she is in pain, and she sent us to Khaz Algar.

A - Magni got super charged by a titan machine. We don't know what happend.

B - Xal wanting us there WAS her plan. She set us against the Nerubians, which just so happend to attack Dalarn once it reached Khaz Alger, convinent, huh? And the last cinematic with Alleria realizing we charged the black blood with our conflict. THATs why Xal would has wanted us there.