Midnight 12.X Patches & World Soul Saga Speculation Thread

[Hearthfinder]

Hey, please leave Undermine out of there, that's one of my favorite patches in a decade.

I didn't say it was bad, but you gotta admit for X.1 patch it is comparatively thin. Like other TWW patches we hardly got anything added apart from the actual zone and the regular content (raid etc.).

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Lmao they gave us cool asf Cars to drive, as well as what may end up being the coolest final boss in WoW so far visually and musically. A lot was put in for TWW.

It's OK to like the patch, I'm not saying it was bad. But it was lightweight compared to previous X.1 patches.

[ImTheMizAwesome]

I'm also enjoying K'aresh. It's the first desert zone done well in WoW.

That doesn't mean that I cannot see some obvious rushed stuff. But maybe we are judging the patch too soon. More will be available next week.

I disagree about first desert zone done well, Vol'dun was pretty great plus you had sandstorms.

[doledippers]

I didn't say it was bad, but you gotta admit for X.1 patch it is comparatively thin. Like other TWW patches we hardly got anything added apart from the actual zone and the regular content (raid etc.).

i wouldnt agree with this at all. compare it to the last X.1 patches. sure the zone is physically small but thats by design. I'd vehemently argue that 11.1 had more content and more things to do than both 10.1 or 9.1

[Santandame]

If they think people are gonna stay subbed till Midnight for this lackluster new zone, blizzard are actually insane. I think this is unsalvageable. Zone is simultaneously tiny and huge, because it's so sparsely populated. Missing all kinds of things every zone has had the last years. Even the fact that there's no WQs of different types we've been used to, chill stuff you can do when you're not interested in combat, climbing, photography tour, battle pets, flying races. Can't even fish in the zone I think. They really shot themselves in the foot by making the story take place in a destroyed planet with only 4 land masses remaining with nothing on them. I very much doubt that ecological succession gameplay thing will be interesting enough to offset everything wrong with this zone. I don't see how they fix this honestly. They'd have to put out a .3 patch with some hastily cobbled together "filler" content with repurposed assets like nightfall. This might be the worst major patch since the selfie patch

What a shame. I’ve been unsubbed from the game since after the first initial couple of months of The War Within; which I thought was excellent actually. The most fun I’ve had at an expansion launch since Legion. I’ve not really kept up with the game apart from the broad strokes themes of the major patches. But due to the hype surrounding the Midnight expansion coupled with wanting to see K’aresh ever since TBC then I felt the urge to resub and check out the rest of the expansion now it’s seemingly complete patch wise.

Opinions like yours as well as others I’m seeing in this thread has sort of dimmed that hype for me. Regardless, I’m still very excited for the Midnight announcement.

[Darkarath]

I disagree about first desert zone done well, Vol'dun was pretty great plus you had sandstorms.

Completely fair.

I just never enjoyed or liked Vol'dun very much. A matter of taste, I suppose.

It's OK to like the patch, I'm not saying it was bad. But it was lightweight compared to previous X.1 patches.

This is completely false.

The only expansion X.1 patch that could have more was DF. And I would say that it was smaller.

Please review X.1 patches because clearly you don't know what you are talking about here.

[Hearthfinder]

i wouldnt agree with this at all. compare it to the last X.1 patches. sure the zone is physically small but thats by design. I'd vehemently argue that 11.1 had more content and more things to do than both 10.1 or 9.1

You're probably right about 10.1. I guess they're about the same size. 9.1 is an odd comparison though given how butchered Shadowlands was. The patch took too long to arrive and barely brought anything fresh.

I guess I'm thinking back a bit on the past, when expansions like BfA brought new heritage armour sets and such. Right now it feels like patches are very focused on their core theme and the necessary features.

[Santandame]

Understandable. But also.

Shockingly terrible expansion (BfA)
followed by
Terribly written expansion with a pathological lack of content (SL)
followed by
Safely played lukewarm and unmemorable expansion with necessary but not mindblowing system updates (DF)
followed by
Chaotic mess of an expansion abandoned halfway and refilled with recycled ideas (TWW)

Isn't a series of released that inspires confidence in what happens next. I'm stubborn enough to still be hyped for Midnight, but they need to realise that their sales pitch needs some work besides dragging back Metzen to hype up their nothing.

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Nah, that is TLL

I think calling BfA shockingly terrible is a little extreme. It had some poor design issues and a lacklustre ending but it was still a lot better than Shadowlands and Dragonflight, for me at least.

The War Within I actually found to be excellent as far as launch content goes. Though I can’t speak for the rest of the expansion as I unsubbed not long after the anniversary event.

I agree with the rest of your points though. I’m hyped for Midnight regardless because I almost always enjoy launch content, Shadowlands aside.

[Enrif]

Do you remember how bad gameplay was while leveling due to losing artifacts? Or how poorly thought the Heart of Azeroth system was until Nazjatar added Essences and fixed it? Or how nonsense the story was for everyone, making the Alliance feel like impotent losers, most of the Horde being forced to feel like genocidal maniacs and the Sylvanas fanbois getting abandoned by their mommy in the end before we pivoted to N'zoth who got killed in the most poorly executed cutscene in WoW where your PC kamehameha's him?

Nope, felt nothing of that.
Also, the alliance story had so many banger moments. Jaina helping in the fight for undercity, the return of the míssing fleet, the set up for the battle for dazar alor, the whole of Drustvar. The story got only bad in the last two patches with Azhara and N'zoth.

[Santandame]

Honestly Hallowfall eats K'aresh for breakfast at least in my book, which is weird because i think that last big new zone of the expansion should be cranked up to the fullest.

I’m an outlier here because I don’t think Hallowfall is even in the top half of the launch zones. It’s a brilliant zone, but I don’t think it is half as good as The Ringing Deeps or even the Isle of Dorn.

[blaatschaap]

What a shame. I’ve been unsubbed from the game since after the first initial couple of months of The War Within; which I thought was excellent actually. The most fun I’ve had at an expansion launch since Legion. I’ve not really kept up with the game apart from the broad strokes themes of the major patches. But due to the hype surrounding the Midnight expansion coupled with wanting to see K’aresh ever since TBC then I felt the urge to resub and check out the rest of the expansion now it’s seemingly complete patch wise.

Opinions like yours as well as others I’m seeing in this thread has sort of dimmed that hype for me. Regardless, I’m still very excited for the Midnight announcement.

Probably if you're on the fence, I'd wait a week or two to see if the season actually starting will unlock more stuff to do in the new zone, but I doubt it. I'd just watch a compilation of the cutscenes, maybe a Nobbel TWW recap, once midnight is coming out. Actually feels pretty bad to recommend someone not to play the game... And I was pretty hyped for K'aresh

[Hearthfinder]

I think calling BfA shockingly terrible is a little extreme. It had some poor design issues and a lacklustre ending but it was still a lot better than Shadowlands and Dragonflight, for me at least.

The War Within I actually found to be excellent as far as launch content goes. Though I can’t speak for the rest of the expansion as I unsubbed not long after the anniversary event.

I agree with the rest of your points though. I’m hyped for Midnight regardless because I almost always enjoy launch content, Shadowlands aside.

Battle for Azeroth was almost perfect on presentation with exceptional cinematics, zones, music, and story.

It honestly had a good amount of content as well, and diverse content as well. Something for everyone.

What I remember as negative was mainly the Sylvanas and Nathanos bits (including the world tree), and a lot of systems seeming cool on paper but feeling like they just missed the mark in-game (island expeditions, warfronts, azerite gear, etc.). I think the dumb send-off N'Zoth was given, combined with the controversial Lich King cinematic at BlizzCon, just left people with a bitter taste in their mouths.

[Cheezits]

I do think K'aresh is the area most likely to receive something in 11.2.5, as the other zones are jam packed already and KA seems finished for the moment.

[Makorus]

I’m an outlier here because I don’t think Hallowfall is even in the top half of the launch zones. It’s a brilliant zone, but I don’t think it is half as good as The Ringing Deeps or even the Isle of Dorn.

Holy shit, it's rare to see another Ringing Deeps enjoyer. Genuinely the best zone at launch. Definitely a "Ringing Deeps > Dorn > Hallowfall > Azj-kahet" for me.
Hallowfall is pretty boring once you get past the whole awe of Beledar thing, and then it's just... a generic plains zone.

[Joshuaj]

Na, that car was the worst thing ever designed in WoW. I would take another selfie patch if we can avoid to ever having to use that thing again.

Vroom Vroom!

[Santandame]

Battle for Azeroth was almost perfect on presentation with exceptional cinematics, zones, music, and story.

It honestly had a good amount of content as well, and diverse content as well. Something for everyone.

What I remember as negative was mainly the Sylvanas and Nathanos bits (including the world tree), and a lot of systems seeming cool on paper but feeling like they just missed the mark in-game (island expeditions, warfronts, azerite gear, etc.). I think the dumb send-off N'Zoth was given, combined with the controversial Lich King cinematic at BlizzCon, just left people with a bitter taste in their mouths.

I agree with all of this.

Admittedly Azerite gear at launch didn’t feel great but it wasn’t enough of a big deal to write off the expansion for me. Essences in the Azshara patch were a game changer; they were a great addition. I also don’t really understand the hate of corruptions in the final patch. I enjoyed them.

I constantly had things to do in the game and enjoyed the things I was doing.

BfA to this day still has the best zones and levelling content in WoW. Followed by TWW and WoD for me.

[Darkarath]

I think calling BfA shockingly terrible is a little extreme. It had some poor design issues and a lacklustre ending but it was still a lot better than Shadowlands and Dragonflight, for me at least.

Definitively BfA was way better than SL (which is not difficult). Better than DF... Meh. I wouldn't say so but close enough.

We have to remember than BfA came after Legion. Just for that it had a VERY high standard to uphold.

It also was the buggiest launch that I remember. Even weeks after the release. It also had some important problems with the Azerite system. The story was a mess... but interesting ¡¡ I think that I have never seen the forums so full of theories and possibilities as in BfA. It also introduced cool characters that have been practically abandoned since (Jaina's brother, Calia, Bwonsamdi...). And it was ambitious ¡¡ Island Expeditions? Warfronts? Systems that didn't work but could have been awesome.

Still, IMO 8.2 is to the date the best patch ever released for WoW. Fixed a lot of stuff, added tons of cool content... Shame that they abandoned 8.3 because BfA could have been one of the tops expansions.

[Santandame]

Holy shit, it's rare to see another Ringing Deeps enjoyer. Genuinely the best zone at launch. Definitely a "Ringing Deeps > Dorn > Hallowfall > Azj-kahet" for me.
Hallowfall is pretty boring once you get past the whole awe of Beledar thing, and then it's just... a generic plains zone.

We’re a rare breed. The Ringing Deeps feels like what an underground zone should aspire to be. Everything about it in terms of being an underground zone is perfect.

Agreed with you regarding the Beledar doing some serious heavy lifting in Hallowfall. Without the Beledar, I’d have it comfortably lower than Azj-Kahet.

My only other criticism of TWW as far as the zones go is that we never got to explore the Undersea proper.

[Wangming]

Battle for Azeroth was almost perfect on presentation with exceptional cinematics, zones, music, and story.

It honestly had a good amount of content as well, and diverse content as well. Something for everyone.

What I remember as negative was mainly the Sylvanas and Nathanos bits (including the world tree), and a lot of systems seeming cool on paper but feeling like they just missed the mark in-game (island expeditions, warfronts, azerite gear, etc.). I think the dumb send-off N'Zoth was given, combined with the controversial Lich King cinematic at BlizzCon, just left people with a bitter taste in their mouths.

For BfA was the one that came short of its promise the most.
Pretty much everything related to Slyvanas, Nathanos or Saurdang, Naz'jatar, Nyalotha, How little becoming the Night Warrior actually mattered, how boring the Heart of Azeroth ended up being, Magni's dumb voice, how little we actually felt Azeroth dying or the effects of another planetwide war in the zones....I could go on and on and on.

So yes, for me it was indeed shocking how bad it was compared to how it could have been.

[Santandame]

Definitively BfA was way better than SL (which is not difficult). Better than DF... Meh. I wouldn't say so but close enough.

We have to remember than BfA came after Legion. Just for that it had a VERY high standard to uphold.

It also was the buggiest launch that I remember. Even weeks after the release. It also had some important problems with the Azerite system. The story was a mess... but interesting ¡¡ I think that I have never seen the forums so full of theories and possibilities as in BfA. It also introduced cool characters that have been practically abandoned since (Jaina's brother, Calia, Bwonsamdi...). And it was ambitious ¡¡ Island Expeditions? Warfronts? Systems that didn't work but could have been awesome.

Still, IMO 8.2 is to the date the best patch ever released for WoW. Fixed a lot of stuff, added tons of cool content... Shame that they abandoned 8.3 because BfA could have been one of the tops expansions.

WoD takes the cake for buggiest expansion launch. 20+ hour login queues. The garrison bottleneck. The initial quests upon first landing in Shadowmoon/Frostfire.

I agree that BfA could have been one of, if not the best expansion. It had all the tools to become so. Warfronts and Island Expeditions whilst ambitious both sadly missed the mark. A couple of design changes and they really could have been wonderful content.

[Cheezits]

Gotta love Isle of Dorn.