Midnight 12.X Patches & World Soul Saga Speculation Thread

[Well Done Steak]

Can't believe no one still is talking about the most in the nose hint for 11.0....

https://wowpedia.fandom.com/wiki/Melinor

[Foolicious]

Can't believe no one still is talking about the most in the nose hint for 11.0....

https://wowpedia.fandom.com/wiki/Melinor

In what way exactly? It's the usual "Light seeks one path and views all others as lies, Void seeks every possible path and sees them all as truth" talk. It's everywhere since Legion.

[Well Done Steak]

In what way exactly? It's the usual "Light seeks one path and views all others as lies, Void seeks every possible path and sees them all as truth" talk. It's everywhere since Legion.

It's a hint the same way the kultiran and zanda trolls fighting in legion.

They're hinting at the light and void war that's coming by using time travel themes this exp.

Especially since yrel is going to be th light rep

[Marlamin]

When does the revamp of Uthers tomb pay off?

I recall something about it being a personal project a dev did for fun, not for any reason.

[Woggmer]

I think the most anti-revamp thing (Except for Dragonflight being the new levelling zone) remains Kalimdor being moved on the world map

That wouldn't have happened if it was a revamp. They had to make room for Something on the other side. Everything is all speculation, of course, but the one thing we know for sure is they moved Kalimdor on the world map

Wasn't it moved to compensate the Dragon Isles being re-discovered and added in? Plus, what's even left to include that's near Kalimdor.. The only thing that comes to mind is Tel'Abim

Based on this map from the Chronicles: https://static.wikia.nocookie.net/wo...20180325215922

Even then, it's too small for anything worthwhile aside from maybe a location.. and all we know about Tel'Abim is that bananas grow there.

[Nymrohd]

Every time people argue about how the narrative is designed by trying to identify patterns I cringe. We have a solid number of clues in the past few expansions that can lead to multiple possible expansions. I agree that at this point a Revamp is by far the least likely of the popular ideas but that's it.

[Catastrophy349]

The only way I see a revamp happening is "if" something in the narrative leads to a "revamp of the world" similar to how Deathwing affected Azeroth.

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I, personally, thought that a "revamp" was possible with the whole "Jailer restructuring reality". Well, he lost and we won. Now, the one thing that "could" cause a revamp in 11.0 would be an invasion of the Light and/or Void that causes some kind of change in the world of Azeroth.

[Xilurm]

So, unlike Teldrassil, Amirdrassil will have the aspect's blessing this time around, right?

[Catastrophy349]

So, unlike Teldrassil, Amirdrassil will have the aspect's blessing this time around, right?

Can't wait to hear about 10.2!

[Nymrohd]

So, unlike Teldrassil, Amirdrassil will have the aspect's blessing this time around, right?

I mean, we need them to become Aspects first.

[RahEndymion]

Every time people argue about how the narrative is designed by trying to identify patterns I cringe. We have a solid number of clues in the past few expansions that can lead to multiple possible expansions. I agree that at this point a Revamp is by far the least likely of the popular ideas but that's it.

To argue is one thing, theres multiple people in the last few pages speaking with abject certainty as though there is not only a definitive pattern but one that will absolutely lead to their specific idea of an expansion. It's almost like they forget that they are speculating.

In reality, I think at this stage a revamp is unlikely just based around the inclusion of dragonriding in Kalimdor and EQ coupled wit hthe small graphical changes and weathering they're implementing to make that look better. It's unfortunate, I'd very much enjoy a revisit to the old world.

On the other hand, I think as long as we do not visit an island called Avaloren in 10.3 it is highly likely that we will be going there in 11.0. Whether it's a zone or the entire setting is up for debate for sure.

I also think it's very likely that we will deal with Iridikron in 10.3 without 'dealing with' the void per se. In the sense that it will turn out he is just a puppet and Xal / Azshara / Unspecified pointy eared female will take whatever collection of mcguffins he has and escape for future villainhood. I can't imagine they'd waste either Xal or Azshara on a .3 patch without substantial screen time within an expansion. However, I also couldn't imagine Nazjatar would be a .2 patch and the Black Empire would be a single raid so who knows. I'd like to think Blizzard have learned from their mistakes in that regard though.

At this point there are far too many possibilities for anyone to be quite so sure what 11.0 will bring. That being said, I definitely think that Avaloren mention / Tel'Abim / Nightsquall are far closer to the Troll vs Human cave than the two NPC's having a chat and making time puns.

[Ersula]

So, unlike Teldrassil, Amirdrassil will have the aspect's blessing this time around, right?

Does it matter, if there were no consequences for them doing it without anyone's blessing, last time? Or do we think the developers still remember the world tree is supposed to let them stay on this plain of existence as wisps?

[Sondrelk]

Every time people argue about how the narrative is designed by trying to identify patterns I cringe. We have a solid number of clues in the past few expansions that can lead to multiple possible expansions. I agree that at this point a Revamp is by far the least likely of the popular ideas but that's it.

If we are going by patterns then I would argue my theory from a good few years back. WoD and SL are the outliers so far, but otherwise it works.

The expansion theme will be hinted at two expansions in advance, and usually at the very end which tends to throw off the leaks. BfA had all kinds of Dragon stuff by the end, which ended up not happening until after SL. MoP leaned heavily into the Legion, which came up after WoD.

I don't think it's far fetched to assume the next expansion will deal heavily with Light vs. Void. Especially given how that was among the few real hints at future content Shadowlands gave.

[Nymrohd]

In reality, I think at this stage a revamp is unlikely just based around the inclusion of dragonriding in Kalimdor and EQ coupled wit hthe small graphical changes and weathering they're implementing to make that look better. It's unfortunate, I'd very much enjoy a revisit to the old world.

For me it is unlikely because we've seen little about the world changing. I was hopeful at the DF reveal because of Alexstrasza talking about how the world is waking up but that's it. Meanwhile we've gotten hints left and right for multiple themes. From Avaloren to Nightsquall to Void (and maybe Light vs Void)

[Sondrelk]

In reality, I think at this stage a revamp is unlikely just based around the inclusion of dragonriding in Kalimdor and EQ coupled wit hthe small graphical changes and weathering they're implementing to make that look better. It's unfortunate, I'd very much enjoy a revisit to the old world.

I dunno about this argument. Surely them adding Dragonriding to old continents makes it just as likely they are going to have a revamp, since they are adding in the required framework to quest there normally.
Same with the small graphical changes. They are not putting in significant effort that would be made pointless if they revamp. The Dragonriding could be explained as them putting in the work early, and the fog changed could be explained both by the same principle, and as a change specifically to make Dragonriding better.

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For me it is unlikely because we've seen little about the world changing. I was hopeful at the DF reveal because of Alexstrasza talking about how the world is waking up but that's it. Meanwhile we've gotten hints left and right for multiple themes. From Avaloren to Nightsquall to Void (and maybe Light vs Void)

Isn't this just as good an argument for a revamp though? We have not seen any big changes, which means the time skip so far has been almost completely pointless.

[Well Done Steak]

Is the undead heritage questline playable yet? Curious about Calia's involvement in it.


What about the eridar quest?

[Nymrohd]

I dunno about this argument. Surely them adding Dragonriding to old continents makes it just as likely they are going to have a revamp, since they are adding in the required framework to quest there normally.
Same with the small graphical changes. They are not putting in significant effort that would be made pointless if they revamp. The Dragonriding could be explained as them putting in the work early, and the fog changed could be explained both by the same principle, and as a change specifically to make Dragonriding better.

I still think Dragonriding doesn't mean no revamp. It could mean a very limited revamp that doesn't change the dimensions of the zones.

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Is the undead heritage questline playable yet? Curious about Calia's involvement in it.


What about the eridar quest?

I think we won't see the heritage quests on PTR.

[Raetary]

Is the undead heritage questline playable yet? Curious about Calia's involvement in it.


What about the eridar quest?

The heritage questlines won't be tested on the ptr.

[Xilurm]

Does it matter, if there were no consequences for them doing it without anyone's blessing, last time? Or do we think the developers still remember the world tree is supposed to let them stay on this plain of existence as wisps?

Attention to detail is important. I just want what's best for my favourite race. Even if others don't pay attention. Every race can get the best they deserve anyway, especially now that there ain't a big faction war anymore.

Blessing Amirdrassil could mean a number of things, including immortality (unless Nozdormu deems they're too arrogant, again). But Kalecgos and Ebyssian blessing it could give the Night Elves new properties as well, considering Nordrassil never had the blessing of those flights.

[Syegfryed]

What we know so far about blizzcon? Would they announce the next expansion? just curious cause i dunno what else they could do for wow there, highlight a new patch is just...ok?