Midnight 12.X Patches & World Soul Saga Speculation Thread

[Xilurm]

Xal'atath needs Zovaal to create another Lich King.

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[Wangming]

Actually, the new leak is proof Tinkers are coming because the image was with AI and AI are robots and Tinkers use robots.

Don't say robot I'm pretty sure that's a slur

[milkmustache]

I know it's a quiet leak season but I cannot believe we're even considering that the screenshots with the Jailer were real.

[Nibelheimy]

Midnight* Not TLT lol

I meant to say TLT? I know we're a week away from the Midnight reveal. That's my point.

[ImTheMizAwesome]

The preorder editions stuff probably will end up being the only thing that leaked.

[Alanar]

I mean, to be fair we have yet to see Alleria or Xal'atath in an opening cinematic.
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We also havent seen a kissing scene, its not like we need to see these things perse. Xal and Alleria already had alot of screentime. I rather see blood elves opening up in Silvermoon.. you know their city. Really Xsl is so boring, I just wouldnt care if she appears or not.

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We will get that 3 Alliance characters as leading roles into Midnight, preorder bonus just confirms that.
At least we see some Blood Elves, you know.

Ye the three are frontpage. I figured..

Yup and I hate it, we need more blood elves. Alleria leading doesnt sound interesting to me... tww already showed me enough of her to be fair. But there is no way around it I am afraid. We are stuck with her, uch.

[13last]

Yep, alleged.

Do I think it’s true? No, but it’s worth discussing as there isn’t much else to discuss at the moment.

Until the time someone here comes out and says that they’re behind the image, or until the cinematic reveal at Gamescom then it’ll stay an alleged leak because we don’t know with 100% certainty until evidence points to otherwise.

Alleged, supposed, so-called, professed - whatever flavour of the word you want.

If I’ve missed someone saying they put it together as a joke, then my bad.

It's been discussed for the last 10 pages, it's fake and it makes no sense in an expansion about elves and the attack on Quel'thalas. It has absolutely 0 references for us to speculate on and even worse they use the Jailer which is the worst received villian, wont happen.

Not trying to be a dick, shadowlands lore is here to stay, but this makes no sense given Midnight.

[Xilurm]

Does it have to be an opening cinematic? We've seen Xal'atath in a CGI cinematic, wasn't the opening one though.

[Joshuaj]

I meant to say TLT? I know we're a week away from the Midnight reveal. That's my point.

Oh lmaooo nvm. I misread

[Santandame]

It's been discussed for the last 10 pages, it's fake and it makes no sense in an expansion about elves and the attack on Quel'thalas. It has absolutely 0 references for us to speculate on and even worse they use the Jailer which is the worst received villian, wont happen.

Not trying to be a dick, shadowlands lore is here to stay, but this makes no sense given Midnight.

Fair enough. For the record I don’t think it’s actually real. Nor would I particularly want the Jailer to return, especially in a Quel’thalas expansion.

My point was more that we have very little else to discuss at the moment as far as actual “leaks” go and more so that regardless of opinions on the quality of the image - it is still an alleged leak until proven otherwise.

To play devils advocate, a still image from a cinematic set in Silithus featuring Thrall and Anduin isn’t indicative of an expansion set underground featuring Alleria, Magni and Xal’atath as the primary characters of launch content with Earthen as our main allies and Nerubians being the main antagonistic force.

Context is everything. Who knows what a hypothetical cinematic based from that image could actually involve.

[milkmustache]

Does it have to be an opening cinematic? We've seen Xal'atath in a CGI cinematic, wasn't the opening one though.

The "Blizzard Presents" text line IIRC is solely used for announcements/trailers.

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The preorder editions stuff probably will end up being the only thing that leaked.

I'll bet that we'll get a pretty hefty summary of it a day or two before. The fact it's a non-Blizzcon convention leads me to believe that we're more likely to see a slip up since there's a lot of other things going on.

[Marlamin]

I'll bet that we'll get a pretty hefty summary of it a day or two before. The fact it's a non-Blizzcon convention leads me to believe that we're more likely to see a slip up since there's a lot of other things going on.

If we haven't already, usually things end up having leaked but not getting a ton of traction until post-announcement.

[Kiivar86]

I'll bet that we'll get a pretty hefty summary of it a day or two before. The fact it's a non-Blizzcon convention leads me to believe that we're more likely to see a slip up since there's a lot of other things going on.

I still remember the last E3 Blizzard was at and the Draenei reveal leaking like the day or two before. But without any actual context.

As I recall, we got a few screenshots of their starting area in Azuremyst (a few NPCs standing around) and the mural of Velen. So people went wild with theories, personal favorite being the whole "the April Fool's wisp thing was actually foreshadowing! We're playing eredar corpses possessed by wisps! We'll be in Hyjal!" As well as "that bearded dude is obviously Khadgar, changed by energies!"

Ahh, good times.

[milkmustache]

If we haven't already, usually things end up having leaked but not getting a ton of traction until post-announcement.

True. I think us having the framework already is throwing off our real or fake detectors.

It's funny too, seeing the leaks that have Northeron in them immediately get written off because Northeron has only recently entered the conversation, but something like that feels like it could genuinely be the one thing that makes us write off a real leak.

Uncharted waters for sure.

[Santandame]

True. I think us having the framework already is throwing off our real or fake detectors.

It's funny too, seeing the leaks that have Northeron in them immediately get written off because Northeron has only recently entered the conversation, but something like that feels like it could genuinely be the one thing that makes us write off a real leak.

Uncharted waters for sure.

I feel like Northeron was always going to very likely appear regardless of what we know now so I think those leaks are still worth considering if only slightly.

[milkmustache]

I feel like Northeron was always going to very likely appear regardless of what we know now so I think those leaks are still worth considering if only slightly.

I completely agree, and that's my point. I think Northeron is totally in the equation, and I think that the references in Trading Post mounts are, if anything, evidence towards that.

Even though all of that may be so, fake leak posters will co-opt that information as well and muddy the waters even further. The recency bias of discovering the Trading Post mount description will cause it to be written off, but it's also a legitimately clue for speculation.

The monkey's paw of the hype train.

[flan1337]

Man, I guess because we know the name of the next xpact I haven't been all that interested in learning about any leaks.

Half of the fun things was seeing the fake logos and names - does anyone else feel the same?

[13last]

If we haven't already, usually things end up having leaked but not getting a ton of traction until post-announcement.

It'd be nice to have ercarp back for his leak spreadsheet but it'd be pretty boring this time around, we have like 4-5 leaks from what I know so far.
I guess we also have the youtube French and German shorts which one leak had the same races but it was way to detailed, the preorder datamine was great but doesn't tell us much in terms of features/content/story.

I'm half expecting a bunch of Gamescom leaks later this week/next Monday.

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Never say never I guess; and yah you make a good point lol, considering their cinematic was about the sword which Metzen said won't be solved until 13.0 is pretty irrelevant to TWW, from what we know it'll be heavily void vs light and it'll involve the 4 portrait chars heavily.
Oh and supposedly the story is supposed to ramp up considerably in Midnight and LTL according to Metzen so maybe something in the shadowlands might happen, Sylvanas is def coming back for Midnight somehow as well.

[bruxx]

Fair enough. For the record I don’t think it’s actually real. Nor would I particularly want the Jailer to return, especially in a Quel’thalas expansion.

My point was more that we have very little else to discuss at the moment as far as actual “leaks” go and more so that regardless of opinions on the quality of the image - it is still an alleged leak until proven otherwise.

To play devils advocate, a still image from a cinematic set in Silithus featuring Thrall and Anduin isn’t indicative of an expansion set underground featuring Alleria, Magni and Xal’atath as the primary characters of launch content with Earthen as our main allies and Nerubians being the main antagonistic force.

Context is everything. Who knows what a hypothetical cinematic based from that image could actually involve.

An easy nostalgia bait could be a cinematic where Xal'atath monolgues inflating our egos, reminding us of the final bosses of each expansions with shots of each of their demises (Arthas lying in icecrown, deathwing's hanging chin, fried Garrosh in the rock hand, etc.), With Zovaal just showing for a moment. Kinda like the in-game cinematic they did when they announced MoP.
Feels like it'd be a lot of work on the artist's end, though.

[Foolicious]

I'll bet that we'll get a pretty hefty summary of it a day or two before. The fact it's a non-Blizzcon convention leads me to believe that we're more likely to see a slip up since there's a lot of other things going on.

Things like the shadowlands banners being leaked is very likely. Gamescom has tons of people running around i'm sure we will see some deko element or merch stuff.
Blizzard also keeps being the most reliable leaker with constant slipups in various places over the years.