Midnight 12.X Patches & World Soul Saga Speculation Thread

[Ersula]

There could very well be two locations with the exact same name.

We know they're not going to have the same name. We're just calling the unnamed areas of Quelthalas this because we don't have a better name for it atm.

[Paula Deen]

We know they're not going to have the same name. We're just calling the unnamed areas of Quelthalas this because we don't have a better name for it atm.

I mean....we do. It just isn't official content. I don't know the forum's stance on linking it; so I won't. But I know you know how to google.

Thalassian Highlands

[Count Zero]

There could very well be two locations with the exact same name.

Look pal - we're here for arguments, not nuance

[JDBlou]

The Northeron cope is unreal.

I want Northeron, especially with the Wildhammer legacy, which really deserved more love after Cataclysm. But I won't mourn the loss if it's not in Midnight beyond thinking "that sucks". But what bugs me is when people act like Blizzard would never retcon or overhaul something just because it’s inconvenient or clashes with existing stuff. They’ve done it repeatedly and without shame — Kul Tiras, Suramar (it was not the sunken mess it was in WC3), and others have all had major retcons that completely rewrote geography, lore, and even entire zones. So dismissing Northeron as impossible because of a tiny Twilight Highlands name clash feels a bit disingenuous. Blizzard’s track record shows they’re willing to bend or redo things when it fits their bigger vision.

[Mecheon]

The Northeron cope is unreal.

Basically only solid thing we can talk about until either reset and we can finish the raid, or next week and whatever is revealed.

[Hitei]

I think its more worth not discussing the name Northeron and what exciting things could possibly be in that spot, since its a great contender for our fourth zone.

What is "that spot"? The Location where Zul'Aman is? Or Northern Lordaeron?

Kul Tiras is the precedent. Originally shown in Warcraft II maps near Baradin Bay, it was never canon in WoW. For years, official lore in Cataclysm explained its absence by saying the island was shoved far out to sea, being placed below Gilneas right through Chronicle 1. Then Chronicle Vol. 3 retroactively erased that, stating it had always been in its Battle for Azeroth location. That’s not just a name reuse — that’s restoring an early, never-canon concept and overwriting years of established explanation. If Blizzard can do that to Kul Tiras, they can absolutely take the Northeron name from its minor Twilight Highlands use and restore it to its original Quel’thalas concept.

This isn't even close to precedent. Precedent would be if it was shown in WC2 maps west of Baradin Bay, then in Cataclysm off of Gilneas there was some ruins on an island implied to be Kul Tiras, then in Chronicle 1 it confirmed it was right off the coast of Gilneas, then in Chronicle 3 it said "yeah, it's those ruins on an island you can see Gilneas city from" and then in BfA it was like "yeah actually it was west of Baradin Bay.

[Monkal]

What comes with the reset tomorrow? The eco-dome restoration thing?

[Hitei]

I mean it honestly doesn't matter either way to me. I just think the goofy take that ingame Gossip text, not even quest text, GOSSIP text dictating when and where a zone could be is...goofy.

*in-game gossip text and Chronicle and Dragonflight codex.

[milkmustache]

One of the things I'm most curious about is where Eco-Dome Al'dani is. Is it just an off map dungeon, or will we eventually see the area on the map? It's an odd situation to me.

[Throren]

*in-game gossip text and Chronicle and Dragonflight codex.

AND an official short story on the official site

[Paula Deen]

*in-game gossip text and Chronicle and Dragonflight codex.

All Chronicle says is that it is a region separate from the Hinterlands. It doesn't specify specifics. Go check it out. The only official source of its location being within Twilight Highlands itself is this interview

AND an official short story on the official site

This also doesn't really specify location. Just name drops it.

Edit: If I had a copy of Dragonflight Codex I would check that too, but seeing as how WoWPedia doesn't even mention it at all on the page, I am hesitant to believe its specified in there either.

[Wyrt]

The only official source of its location being within Twilight Highlands itself is this interview

It's literally in the game right now. Is the game not an official source?

[Hitei]

All Chronicle says is that it is a region separate from the Hinterlands. It doesn't specify specifics. Go check it out. The only official source of its location being within Twilight Highlands itself is.

No, it says that it is a location south of the Hinterlands, because the Wildhammer who didn't settle in Northeron were then led further north to Hinterlands.

Dragonflight Codex also firmly states in Twilight Highlands, because the Orcs and Dwarves of Twilight Highlands made an uneasy alliance there against the Twilight Cultists as the Twilight Citadel was visibly rising in the distance.

[Throren]

Edit: If I had a copy of Dragonflight Codex I would check that too, but seeing as how WoWPedia doesn't even mention it at all on the page, I am hesitant to believe its specified in there either.

The Dragonflight codex specifically states the Bastion of Twilight looms over the ruins of Northeron

"A piece of windswept terrain sits between a line of towering peaks and an endless, roiling sea. It is a land of refuge and resilience, upheaval and coexistence among the creators, invaders, and former captives of Grim Batol. Here upon the ancient site of Northeron, the dwarves and orcs draw a tenuous peace, united in their mistrust for the mysterious Bastion of Twilight rising in the west." - Dragonflight Codex Page 161

[JDBlou]

This isn't even close to precedent. Precedent would be if it was shown in WC2 maps west of Baradin Bay, then in Cataclysm off of Gilneas there was some ruins on an island implied to be Kul Tiras, then in Chronicle 1 it confirmed it was right off the coast of Gilneas, then in Chronicle 3 it said "yeah, it's those ruins on an island you can see Gilneas city from" and then in BfA it was like "yeah actually it was west of Baradin Bay.

The standard you’re demanding—that there must be a long trail of multiple lore confirmations moving a location back and forth over years before it counts as a precedent—is far stricter than Blizzard’s actual track record. Take Kul Tiras: even up through Chronicle Volume 1, it was placed south of Gilneas, reinforcing the Cataclysm-era explanation that the island had been pushed out to sea. Then Chronicle Volume 3 and Battle for Azeroth, released within months of each other in 2018, effectively erased that reason for its placement. This retcon was essentially a near-simultaneous rewrite and a genuine reversal of firmly established conflicting canon, claiming it was always in its in-game position. The Cataclysm-era explanation wasn’t reinforced by in-game locations or quests off Gilneas—it was just an openly and brazenly contradicted lore point that Blizzard replaced in Chronicle 3.

Blizzard clearly didn’t need a perfect, multi-source paper trail to fix geography and lore before BfA launched; they just did it. This shows Blizzard is comfortable rewriting or restoring old concepts without waiting for neat, decades-long lore confirmation arcs. If they can do that with Kul Tiras, dismissing Northeron’s reuse because of a small Twilight Highlands namesake is disingenuous. Blizzard’s history shows they will bend lore and geography to serve the bigger vision whenever it suits them.

All I’m saying is that dismissing it outright contradicts Blizzard’s modus operandi. As I said before, I’d love to see it happen, but I wouldn’t be devastated if it doesn’t. Drawing a hard line here feels unnecessarily dogmatic.

[Jolly Roger]

You're suggesting 11.2.5 and 11.2.7 are going to together last 6 months (each 1 month behind the 8 week schedule)? That would put it WAY over time. I really seriously doubt Blizzard is going to have a single season last 9 months... That would make it longer than from the announcement of War Within to its release date, which isn't likely since Blizzard said the expansions are being delivered quicker. Not only that, but the road map doesn't suggest a season 4.

If we hear about an unlikely season 4, it'll be with the announcement of Midnight, so we'll see, I don't mind being wrong.

i mean the extra time can be covered with legion remix and more mini events

idk how i feel about such a quick release personally i want a s4 because it allows us to experience all of the content that some may have missed like palace.

have it launch on my birthday and ill die lol

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The Dragonflight codex specifically states the Bastion of Twilight looms over the ruins of Northeron

"A piece of windswept terrain sits between a line of towering peaks and an endless, roiling sea. It is a land of refuge and resilience, upheaval and coexistence among the creators, invaders, and former captives of Grim Batol. Here upon the ancient site of Northeron, the dwarves and orcs draw a tenuous peace, united in their mistrust for the mysterious Bastion of Twilight rising in the west." - Dragonflight Codex Page 161

the bastion of twilight is rising in the west meaning we would have to be seeing the first landmass to the left of EK

[Hitei]

The standard you’re demanding—

I do not have demanding standards, I am asking for actual precedent.

a long trail of multiple lore confirmations

Because that is what Northeron is. It is a non-canon concept map in one location that was changed in BC when there was zero evidence of it anywhere in Quel'thalas, then placed in its current canon location in-game, and then that location was solidified in two separate canonical books. So when you say "no, they would totally retcon it a second time to adhere to a map where 65% of the shit on the map is in the wrong place!" I am asking you to provide any other actual circumstance even close to that.

"But Kul Tiras, an ambiguously located island never actually in the game, moved around a bit before ending up slightly farther west than it was previously indicated" is not precedent. It's not a comparable situation.

Kul Tiras was what every new landmass was, a rough approximate location on existing maps being softly rectonned. Northeron isn't a rough approximate location on existing maps, it is an in-game place where canonical events have taken place, tied to Grim Batol and Twilight Citadel, whose previous non-canon location has zero indication in BC zones and whose supposed old location would be more or less directly in the middle of the Amani's lands.

[Paula Deen]

To put on my nerd glasses for a second, because it really sounds like im coping HARD, I am cool with Northeron being what it is. Pic related has been my TRP Profile for RP for a decade at this point. Notice I don't say Northeron is a POI but a birthplace. I am content with it being sunk into the sea and have been forever.

It's literally in the game right now. Is the game not an official source?

The area you are referring to, pictured on wowpedia, is an unlabeled subzone. It is just labeled as Twilight Highlands ingame. The area just south of it is the Ruins of Drak'gor, which is a labeled subzone.

No, it says that it is a location south of the Hinterlands, because the Wildhammer who didn't settle in Northeron were then led further north to Hinterlands.

Here is the entire page. It gives no specifics other than a cardinal direction. This is literally the whole of page 156. Notably anything NORTH of the Twilight Highlands and EAST of the Arathi Highlands can be 'South' of the Hinterlands. That area could very easily span a lot of space going even further north too. To be clear; my take is that Northeron is going to be EXACTLY where they have said it is. Not up in Quel'thalas. But I dont think its breaking 'canon' for them to have it stretch that far north either.

Dragonflight Codex also firmly states in Twilight Highlands, because the Orcs and Dwarves of Twilight Highlands made an uneasy alliance there against the Twilight Cultists as the Twilight Citadel was visibly rising in the distance.

The Dragonflight codex specifically states the Bastion of Twilight looms over the ruins of Northeron

"A piece of windswept terrain sits between a line of towering peaks and an endless, roiling sea. It is a land of refuge and resilience, upheaval and coexistence among the creators, invaders, and former captives of Grim Batol. Here upon the ancient site of Northeron, the dwarves and orcs draw a tenuous peace, united in their mistrust for the mysterious Bastion of Twilight rising in the west." - Dragonflight Codex Page 161

I do not have this and cannot get my hands on it at the moment. I will say; you can see the Twilight Citadel from Redridge Mountains. It is a very large structure. Using that as a basis of it having to be in Twilight Highlands is like saying you have to be in Silithus to see the sword.

[Paula Deen]

My only expectation is revamped what is already up north of the Plaguelands and to destroy Outland

[Hitei]

you can see the Twilight Citadel from Redridge Mountains.

Please. Stop this.