Midnight 12.X Patches & World Soul Saga Speculation Thread

[13last]

So, the thing about Outland is, according to Chronicles, it never had a Worldsoul. Except under this patch's new revelations, that's extremely hard to believe. Every other inhabited world we know of ended up having a Worldsoul, and the K'aresh story repeatedly tells us- and in the end, shows us- that a Worldsoul is needed for life to thrive. The first time it came up, it could have been Xal'atath trying to trick Soul-Scribe, but the fact that life started to return to the planet when K'aresh was healed at the end shows that it appears to be true.

Couple that with the fact that the Titans are now appear to be involved in some huge conspiracy, and the claim that Aggramar never found a Worldsoul there (told only from the Titans' perspective) now seems pretty suspicious. I don't know about Outland or Draenor being involved right now, and it's already been pointed out that the spell you asked about is from the fight, but I don't really buy that it never had a Worldsoul.


I'm actually starting to wonder if the real reason AU Draenor started to die was because something happened to the Worldsoul there, making it unable to sustain life. Or artificial timelines don't create alternate Worldsouls, or one version exists across all timelines and the main one being blown into Outland killed it, or something like that- but either way, the Worldsoul is gone and both sides just assumed the other caused it.

I'm also wondering if Yrel's Lightbound might be part of the forces of the Light we're supposed to be working with in Midnight.


But back to mainline Outland- if I'm right, and there really was a Worldsoul that died when it became Outland, then it might have been just a matter of time before it could no longer sustain life anyway. Which would really just reinforce what we already knew- even back in WoD and BFA, we were told that Outland was constantly degrading and falling apart. It wouldn't take some big development for Outland to be destroyed- just time actually progressing.

Damn I am pretty curious at this Titan conspiracy, I wonder why Azeroth is so special (we somewhat know that Azeroth is supposed to be really unique and powerful worldsoul), only a few more years to find out I suppose.

Yah my Outland theory was wrong, spell is from the fight, I do wonder if we'll ever see Outland being destroyed and maybe some of the races come to Azeroth or just more world building.

On a side note I do wish Blizzard found a way to include all the short stories ingame. I just read Allerias "A Whispers of Warning" short story and honestly I think we're missing a lot of character building from games pov, I don't think they are reaching as many people by just having them online.

That is not entirely on Blizzard, for what it is worth. That is partly on the datamining side too. Spell categorization is only supplied/inferred for certain spells. e.g. encounter spells are inferred from the journal or certain category indicators we do have, but stuff that an NPC casts that is not neccesarily in the journal or has an otherwise inferrable category will not get properly categorized automatically.

Thanks for the perspective, makes sense the more I think about it, it's also not in the journal either.

[Villager720]

Didn't they do that in BFA and legion?

BFA, yes. Legion had the first ally races added as BFA preorders, so I’d consider that an “expansion launch feature” and not “mid-expansion”.

And the 4 allied races that dropped over the course of BFA were still in the context of a system touted as being a pillar of the expansion’s features. Which is all to say, I think it’s unlikely we’re getting allied races mid expansion again, but in this case, if Ethereals did get added in say, 11.2.5, it’d fit the original “Legion-style” rollout of preorder/early access.

[Ersula]

BFA, yes. Legion had the first ally races added as BFA preorders, so I’d consider that an “expansion launch feature” and not “mid-expansion”.

And the 4 allied races that dropped over the course of BFA were still in the context of a system touted as being a pillar of the expansion’s features. Which is all to say, I think it’s unlikely we’re getting allied races mid expansion again, but in this case, if Ethereals did get added in say, 11.2.5, it’d fit the original “Legion-style” rollout of preorder/early access.

I guess this is cope, but considering a.) Ethereals are already in this expansion, not midnight, and b.) They're not elves, so they're not actually represenative of the theme of Midnight, seems like they're perfect to be a pre-order bonus, like Nightborne etc.

Getting a third playable version of High elves instead of Ethereals would be the biggest L in the history of this game.

[Scyth]

Are we thinking patch reveal this week or after Gamescom?

I reckon next week. I'm coping probably but I am convinced the void DH spec is coming in 11.2.5 so I'm expecting they announce the patch during gamescom because of that.

[Hitei]

So, the thing about Outland is, according to Chronicles, it never had a Worldsoul. Except under this patch's new revelations, that's extremely hard to believe. Every other inhabited world we know of ended up having a Worldsoul, and the K'aresh story repeatedly tells us- and in the end, shows us- that a Worldsoul is needed for life to thrive.

I think you might be misunderstanding the idea here, which is probably not "no world can possibly generate life if there is no worldsoul" it's probably "these scattered shards of rock and sand bathing in void energies cannot possibly sustain life... without a worldsoul"

[The-Shan]

I kinda FW this cinematic. It's exactly what we expected, but it's well executed and pretty cool. Liked the FPS view after Alleria got yeeted by Wrappy Boy asploding. Kinda wished they'd have included a shot of Xal('s toes) traveling towards Silvermoon but I guess we can wait for the campaign cinematic for that.

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You didn't get the memo?

Old thing GOOD.

New thing BAD.

My sentiments exactly, the datamined text kinda spoiled it for people who read wowhead/follow this thread, but I agree. It was executed well for what it was, and I felt rewarded for clearing the raid instead of watching it on YouTube

[THEORACLE64]

Anybody got anymore Midnight leaks?

Can we stop calling shitposting "leaks" please thanks.

[Reive]

What a bunch of bullcrap.

Oh brother, y'all are lame...

Why? Just because Sylvanas might be in it?

blizzard is already struggling to keep things together without much happening imagine once we go back to the old world and things need to escalate.

also, elves are involved and everyone knows how bitchy elf players can get.

[Villager720]

I guess this is cope, but considering a.) Ethereals are already in this expansion, not midnight, and b.) They're not elves, so they're not actually represenative of the theme of Midnight, seems like they're perfect to be a pre-order bonus, like Nightborne etc.

Getting a third playable version of High elves instead of Ethereals would be the biggest L in the history of this game.

Ironically, it’s the new fusion of and focus on Brokers and Ethereals that makes them less likely than ever to be playable to me. If they’re really just the same race but in different means for “energy containment”, then making one playable and not the other now makes little sense. And I don’t think we’re ever getting playable brokers, for obvious reasons.

[Wyrt]

Didn't they do that in BFA and legion?

Allied Races, yes. Main races, no. Ethereals would not be an Allied Race.

[shade3891]

So I was browsing through the gamefiles and under class icons there are 2 icons i didn't recognise. One is labelled as Technician and the other as Void-Scarred.Were these always there or are they new?

[Mecheon]

So I was browsing through the gamefiles and under class icons there are 2 icons i didn't recognise. One is labelled as Technician and the other as Void-Scarred.Were these always there or are they new?

There's no icon under either of these names, give a full path

[ImTheMizAwesome]

I'll be excited to see Turalyon continue to fill a hero role within Midnight. I'm glad Blizzard hasn't been villain batting him like a vocal minority wants.
He'll probably be one of the primary protagonists on the side of the light in Midnight alongside someone like Velen.

Yeah i hope that they won't kill him off just to feed alleria x Xal'atath rodeo, i think there's already enough reasons for hate between the two.
Killing another cool character just to see Alleria angry face while Xal walks away again over and over again, seems like a waste.

He can do some badass shit if given some proper screentime.

[KainneAbsolute]

Devourers in "real space", I thought they only eat anima.

I think we will make Dimensius weak, weak enough to trap him in a pokeball and bring him to Azeroth

So, the Dark Heart is a pokeball? I wonder how Xal will use it: 1. to corrupt/feed from the sunwell, 2. to empower herself, 3. to infect Azeroth, or 4. Combine the essences of the different forces

[Reive]

Yeah i hope that they won't kill him off just to feed alleria x Xal'atath rodeo, i think there's already enough reasons for hate between the two.
Killing another cool character just to see Alleria angry face while Xal walks away again over and over again, seems like a waste.

He can do some badass shit if given some proper screentime.

This might sound like trolling but i hope they start chilling with killing male characters. We lost another one this patch. If someone close to alleria has to die then i really hope it's one of her sisters

[Nymrohd]

Nari's VA is dogwalking everyone else this patch.

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Yeah i hope that they won't kill him off just to feed alleria x Xal'atath rodeo, i think there's already enough reasons for hate between the two.
Killing another cool character just to see Alleria angry face while Xal walks away again over and over again, seems like a waste.

He can do some badass shit if given some proper screentime.

I mean at some point Alleria should stop doing Angry Face and should shift into void form and impale Xal on a rain of arrows the size of javelins. Just saying.

[Seasz]

midnight is shaping up to be another shadowlands level disaster lore wise

Shadowlands was fine until 9.1 onwards

[Nymrohd]

Pretty sure those worlds from the incursions on Argus didn't have worldsouls.

Plus, we know Draenor had an alternative to the worldsoul, The Evergrowth, which appears to be the unfiltered power of life lacking the guidance of a worldsoul. Without the worldsoul, the forces of life take an almost parasitic behavior, not seeking balance or harmony but complete & utter dominance. The dominant lifeform would be a mindless creature that assimilates everything instead of races of sapient humanoids.

Seems without the intervention of the Legion or the Titans, Draenor would have essentially become one gigantic, planet-sized plant tumor.

Aggramar concluded that once the Evergrowth ate everything, it would starve, wither and die. That's why he intervened.

[ImTheMizAwesome]

Nari's VA is dogwalking everyone else this patch.

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I mean at some point Alleria should stop doing Angry Face and should shift into void form and impale Xal on a rain of arrows the size of javelins. Just saying.

She should but who knows with the writers that specifically write her character, she could be the same way until the very end of this saga..

This might sound like trolling but i hope they start chilling with killing male characters. We lost another one this patch. If someone close to alleria has to die then i really hope it's one of her sisters.

That's my hope too, but still have the feeling they will kill Turalyon anyway, Thrall also probably will get sacrificed at the end of TLT or something, i doubt any of the windrunners will die, i would be very surprised if it did happen.
EDIT: Maybe Vereesa because she's always the most forgotten from the 3 of them

[Reive]

Shadowlands was fine until 9.1 onwards

And then it went to shit. Let's hope the same won't happen with midnight. I'm kinda scared for next week

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She should but who knows with the writers that specifically write her character, she could be the same way until the very end of this saga..



That's my hope too, but still have the feeling they will kill Turalyon anyway, Thrall also probably will get sacrificed at the end of TLT or something, i doubt any of the windrunners will die, i would be very surprised if it did happen.
EDIT: Maybe Vereesa because she's always the most forgotten from the 3 of them

The best possible outcome would be alleria herself dying lol. So far, other than the lesbian shipping with xal'atath, she doesn't really add anything to the story.