Midnight 12.X Patches & World Soul Saga Speculation Thread

[Samin]

There is zero chance that Hero Talents won't be one of the major systems. It's an evergreen feature and essentially their new way of continously adding Talents in a sidegrade progression type of way.

I really struggle to see how Hero talents can be truly evergreen without soon running into the same problem they attempt to solve. I mean it will work fine for a time (for the WSS for sure), but eventually it will grow out of control just as an ever-expanding talent tree.

[Enrif]

If it were some large scale leak of everything at gamescom it's significantly more likely that they'd leak it in English on 4chan or something. If it's just wow, anyone who has access to those slides also has access to the English so there's not much reason for them to pick the German if they're looking to make a splash.

Does "soul" even make any sense in German? It has literally nothing to do with the Void and is a complete thematic departure from the other two specs.

I think that depends on what kind of leaks would be possible. If it is from the video material for the opening ceremony, i think that is highly guarded. If it is from flyers, promotional material and booth decorations? That could more likely leak, and more likely be leaked in german than english.


As four Soul Demon Hunter. Would be "Seele Dämonenjäger" which sounds wrong. It could be "Seelen Dämonenjäger" the plural form, which would be Souls Demon Hunter, which sounds dumb in english.

comparison

Havoc Demon Hunter = Verwüstung Dämonenjäger
Vengeance Demon Hunter = Rachsucht Dämonenjäger
Soul Demon Hunter = Seele Dämonenjäger

Also, soul doesn't match thematically with havoc (to wreak havoc) and vengeance (to deal vengeance) in my opinion. Even other ideas like Entropy sound off. If we would get a void based spec, i think something like chaos (to bring chaos) or reaper (to reap) would make more sense.

[ImTheMizAwesome]

I find colossus and slayer, especially slayer very boring for warriors(arms warrior in my case), starting with the name from the get go.

Slayer didn't even get any cosmetic updates for avatar or bladestorm when using it, it would be cool to have more rage "bloody" appearance of avatar and bladestorm etc..

Honestly i wouldn't care much if they scrapped this system.

[Wangming]

That's the problem with a lot of them, they just don't really do much to fill out the fantasy they're trying to sell. Or you're stuck picking between 2 fantasies you might not want like with MM hunter. Or you get stuck with persistent visuals that aren't that great like Oracle or Sunfury. Or you feel pressured into playing one because it's just significantly better than the alternative.

The whole thing feels like a monkey paw wish fulfillment for people who wanted more class customization.

Yeah. Even Dark Ranger is lukewarm. It's just...what? One new ability and a bunch of passives?

Hero Talents had a lot of potential, but what they did so far is pretty lame.

[Wyrt]

Yeah. Even Dark Ranger is lukewarm. It's just...what? One new ability and a bunch of passives?

Hero Talents had a lot of potential, but what they did so far is pretty lame.

I'm still annoyed by Stormbringer Elemental since Blizzard sold it as being able to be a full on lightning caster and then it's just regular ele shaman that has Lightning Bolt sometimes turn into Tempest. There's not even really any new lightning spells, it's still just Lightning Bolt and Chain Lightning.

[Hitei]

Yeah. Even Dark Ranger is lukewarm. It's just...what? One new ability and a bunch of passives?

That is the entire point. It is supposed to be a light flavoring because if it was something that dominated the gameplay, grats: now you no longer play a hunter when picking hunter, you are forced into playing either a necromantic dark ranger or an arcane sentinel.

[Wangming]

Well, Dark Ranger shouldn't be one spell removed from regular Hunter.

Aaaaaaanyway, we are going in circles again. instead, let's figure out the Midnight Features besides housing and all the race/class betting that we always do.

For TWW it was pretty clear we were gonna get Dragonriding expanded to other mounts and underground zones. And it happened.

So what are things that TWW is seemingly experimenting with, that could end up as a major feature in Midnight?

The multiple phases thing is pretty obivous. Hallowfall had Beledar, Siren Isle the Storm, Undermine the revolution if you really want to connect it to it, and K'aresh had Phase diving.
Hell there was also the Unseeming to a lesser extent in the Ringing Deeps and Azj-Kahet. It's easier to list the zones that don't have some sort of phase change.

So new Quel'Thalas will undoubtedly have something similar. Maybe even mutliple ones. Some that you CAN control and other that you can't.

Next, faction support. Not really a new feature mind you, unless they find new benefits and systems to tie to it, but much like how we had to pick a big ugly spider or a goblin cartel to support, there will likely be a team choice in Midnight as well. Be it one of the scattered elven tribes or Light vs Void, that is up for debate.

Upgradable equipment: Don't think they toyed around with the Reshii wraps for no reason.
Special sockets: This has been going on for a long time. MoP Remix, Seasons of Discovery, now the Circe Circlet and the Reshii Wraps.

While I hated the steering of the Hot Rod, it might not be a bad idea to have similar system for short side quests.

[Samin]

The multiple phases thing is pretty obivous. Hallowfall had Beledar, Siren Isle the Storm, Undermine the revolution if you really want to connect it to it, and K'aresh had Phase diving.
Hell there was also the Unseeming to a lesser extent in the Ringing Deeps and Azj-Kahet. It's easier to list the zones that don't have some sort of phase change.

I think this basically culminates in what will be the "Shattered Timeline" in Legion Remix and probably a relatively big feature in Midnight and a staple going forward (if it works out). Any fake leak without World Tiers as a feature isn't even really trying.

[Wangming]

I think this basically culminates in what will be the "Shattered Timeline" in Legion Remix and probably a relatively big feature in Midnight and a staple going forward (if it works out)

The Diablo style world phases? Could be, but I hope for something more dynamic and visually exciting.

[Samin]

The Diablo style world phases? Could be, but I hope for something more dynamic and visually exciting.

I do think they would be more than "just" difficulty increases - at least at first. Both Shattered Timeline and some sort of "void phase" in Midnight could have visual differences, and if it's just a color filter over everything, a new skybox and some shaders on monsters.

The difference to the examples from TWW, those would be mostly global (in new content) with more bespoke content. Phase Diving is probably the closest. But I hope it's not like Phase Diving at the same time restrictive and inconsequential.

[NikolaiShade]

The Diablo style world phases? Could be, but I hope for something more dynamic and visually exciting.

Back for leak season after some bad health issues.

My bet is on a Light/Void phasing thing... Basically Beledar on steroids

[Wangming]

Back for leak season after some bad health issues.

My bet is on a Light/Void phasing thing... Basically Beledar on steroids

That is the most likely, isn't it? Especially with the preorder mounts known.

Glad you are feeling better.

[NikolaiShade]

That is the most likely, isn't it? Especially with the preorder mounts known.

Glad you are feeling better.

Thanks.

yeah, i was basing my bet on the preorder too, honestly. IF it is true there is a clear Light/Void dicothomy with some sort of player agency to it... or they are just fancy pixels

[Wangming]

Thanks.

yeah, i was basing my bet on the preorder too, honestly. IF it is true there is a clear Light/Void dicothomy with some sort of player agency to it... or they are just fancy pixels

Well, Undermined did give us a special mount with special interact buttons. Maybe so will the preorder Chocobo...err I mean Hawkstrider

[Cheezits]

Hate to say it but no High Elf at launch? Fake.

They have teased them as early as the Housing teaser having a "Belf" in an Alliance house.

[bruxx]

Ironically, it’s the new fusion of and focus on Brokers and Ethereals that makes them less likely than ever to be playable to me. If they’re really just the same race but in different means for “energy containment”, then making one playable and not the other now makes little sense. And I don’t think we’re ever getting playable brokers, for obvious reasons.

I could see some broker-ish customization options - broker masks, anima color energy options being available to ethereal. After all, nothing technically forces them to stay on the full suit outside of the shadowlands.

[Cheezits]

Ironically, it’s the new fusion of and focus on Brokers and Ethereals that makes them less likely than ever to be playable to me. If they’re really just the same race but in different means for “energy containment”, then making one playable and not the other now makes little sense. And I don’t think we’re ever getting playable brokers, for obvious reasons.

Tethering Brokers to K'aresh opens up the remaining Ethereals there to leave.

Or, the playable Ethereals are like the Wandering Isle Pandaren: from another area entirely, and they don't really care about K'aresh (like the Consortium) all that much.

[Wangming]

Tethering Brokers to K'aresh opens up the remaining Ethereals there to leave.

Or, the playable Ethereals are like the Wandering Isle Pandaren: from another area entirely, and they don't really care about K'aresh (like the Consortium) all that much.

Monkey Paw K'arshi. It turned out a bunch of them had a colony in Avaloren.
Before the whole Dimensius fiasco. So they have their original body.

[Cheezits]

Monkey Paw K'arshi. It turned out a bunch of them had a colony in Avaloren.
Before the whole Dimensius fiasco. So they have their original body.

Somehow, Danuser returned.

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I'm gonna guess all the leaks are incorrect, with the Horde Velf/Troll DH one having a 5% chance of being correct. TWW was only leaked by accident a few minutes before so they probably are locked up tight.

[Wangming]

Somehow, Danuser returned.

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I'm gonna guess all the leaks are incorrect, with the Horde Velf/Troll DH one having a 5% chance of being correct. TWW was only leaked by accident a few minutes before so they probably are locked up tight.

Yeah I also feel we don't have a legit one. All the leaks are too unimaginative to be real.
The one with Outland destroyed has the best chance.