Midnight 12.X Patches & World Soul Saga Speculation Thread

[Cheezits]

Even if Ethereals are intended to become playable I think the current version of the glamor will just turn you into a generic Ethereal. Besides the toys, the worldquests that turn players into an Ethereal already work this way. It'll just be updated if & when they become playable.

Yeah, that makes sense, but still very odd to implement the glamour early if that is the case. Lot of work to craft for what is essentially a toy transformation.

[Enrif]

thinking about classes for ethereals, if they become a thing, and if it will be during Legion Remix: Etherals would be the thirds race in a row, that can't be death knights. I mean, even assuming enough ethereals were on Azeroth to fit the time frame for the either scenario: they don't have a body. But they are just souls wrapped in bandages.

[13last]

Hard. Especially given their history in actually hiding things.

This is to good, it's not even intentional, they just seem to have a hard time keeping things encrypted. I will say though, it's gotten a lot better then back in the day.

Also random Midnight prediction, how many of you believe we'll see Azshara? I think she'll be key to the reason Elves reunify, well besides the Sunwell potentially exploding, what better way to reunify the scattered Elven tribes then have the most hated Elf queen show up to cause havoc. I also expect Nzoth showing up.

[Cheezits]

thinking about classes for ethereals, if they become a thing, and if it will be during Legion Remix: Etherals would be the thirds race in a row, that can't be death knights. I mean, even assuming enough ethereals were on Azeroth to fit the time frame for the either scenario: they don't have a body. But they are just souls wrapped in bandages.

They aren't going to add new Death Knights at all until they come up with a new lore reason for how they are being made without a Helm of Domination. I doubt they will retroactively add High Elf and Amani Death Knights if they are ARs, for example, to the Bolvar starting zone, even though they could've been raised by him or Arthas.

We saw this with the Earthen- people called them out on why it would be possible, and they removed DK from their class options very early in development before we could test it.

[Hearthfinder]

This is to good, it's not even intentional, they just seem to have a hard time keeping things encrypted. I will say though, it's gotten a lot better then back in the day.

Also random Midnight prediction, how many of you believe we'll see Azshara? I think she'll be a key to the reason Elves reunify, well besides the Sunwell potentially exploding, what better way to reunify the scattered Elven tribes then have the most hated Elf queen show up to cause havoc. I also expect Nzoth showing up.

The naga prophecy A Song of the Depths has been entirely correct so far.

Now all we need is an "awakening" before Queen Azshara returns.

[Cheezits]

The naga prophecy A Song of the Depths has been entirely correct so far.

Now all we need is an "awakening" before Queen Azshara returns.

Which to me implies that Azshara will not return until Azeroth wakes up- so, post TWS.

Originally this was likely going to happen much earlier, possibly at the end of TWW 1.0, but now it will be farther off. Likely TLT.

[Hearthfinder]

Which to me implies that Azshara will not return until Azeroth wakes up- so, post TWS.

Originally this was likely going to happen much earlier, possibly at the end of TWW 1.0, but now it will be farther off. Likely TLT.

Maybe, but all the other events took place during Dragonflight and The War Within so to me it seems weird to postpone the last bit. It really depends on what the "awakening" is about.

N'Zoth?
Xal'atath as a new Void Lord?
Another Old God?
Azerothians waking up from the illusion that the Titans placed over their heads?
Some "Forgotten One"?
The Worldsoul waking up as evil in Midnight only to be saved during The Last Titan?

[Ersula]

That'd be so confusing though. They don't have to add a Gleeful Glamour for Ethereals, especially the week of 11.2.5.

Technically the item was already added into the game in 11.2 - And they probably thought to make it because there was so many other ways to already turn into a generic Ethereal. It largely depends on when they decided on playable Ethereals.

Seems to me like the item exists because they were planning ahead while also knowing all player animations for Ethereals wouldn't be done yet. If that is their plan changing an item from turning you into a generic npc to an existing playable race isn't hard at all.

Wow it sure would be the ultimate cocktease if Ethereals never become playable, huh?

[Marlamin]

This is to good, it's not even intentional, they just seem to have a hard time keeping things encrypted. I will say though, it's gotten a lot better then back in the day.

I'm honestly not entirely sure why they're having a hard time, a bunch of the issues they've been having are things they've already solved and dealt with. I'm wondering if this is just some sort of combination of new hires/oldheads moving to other positions or if the release windows are so short they don't have time to do proper 'hiding' passes that they might have done previously.

[Foreign Exchange Ztudent]

I'm not too surprised if you churn through staff and then you also want them to pick up the pace even more it does lead to mistakes that seem completely illogical.

[bruxx]

thinking about classes for ethereals, if they become a thing, and if it will be during Legion Remix: Etherals would be the thirds race in a row, that can't be death knights. I mean, even assuming enough ethereals were on Azeroth to fit the time frame for the either scenario: they don't have a body. But they are just souls wrapped in bandages.

Brokers are kind of death knight - adjacent, as in their body seems to be filled with anima, and it wouldn't be crazy for them to be able to achieve death knight type powers. All we'd need is some anima coloration energy options for our playable ethereals, some of which could be brokers out of their shadowlands suits. I know it's a stretch, but not the biggest

[Kereberus]

I'm just looking for the Honor Level artifact appearances i'm too busy to grind out because PVP.

[JohnnyCasual]

Just spit balling here. What if TLT (Because Northrend) pulls another SL and gives us more DK races. Earthen Dks could be Northrend native Earthen. Playable Ethereals? (Or rather K'areshi?) Custom broker customizations to represent the death energy?

[Enrif]

Brokers are kind of death knight - adjacent, as in their body seems to be filled with anima, and it wouldn't be crazy for them to be able to achieve death knight type powers. All we'd need is some anima coloration energy options for our playable ethereals, some of which could be brokers out of their shadowlands suits. I know it's a stretch, but not the biggest

which anima color? there were multiple ones. one for each covenant

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They aren't going to add new Death Knights at all until they come up with a new lore reason for how they are being made without a Helm of Domination. I doubt they will retroactively add High Elf and Amani Death Knights if they are ARs, for example, to the Bolvar starting zone, even though they could've been raised by him or Arthas.

We saw this with the Earthen- people called them out on why it would be possible, and they removed DK from their class options very early in development before we could test it.

they chickend out of earthen DKs because they are made out of stone. Hard to reanimate that as an undead

[Magistrate]

Technically the item was already added into the game in 11.2 - And they probably thought to make it because there was so many other ways to already turn into a generic Ethereal. It largely depends on when they decided on playable Ethereals.

Seems to me like the item exists because they were planning ahead while also knowing all player animations for Ethereals wouldn't be done yet. If that is their plan changing an item from turning you into a generic npc to an existing playable race isn't hard at all.

Wow it sure would be the ultimate cocktease if Ethereals never become playable, huh?

Or maybe they were never going to be playable and they gave the toy as a halfway point since clearly they weren't developing player quality models? Also perhaps why they added tmog that basically turns you into an ethereal?

[bruxx]

which anima color? there were multiple ones. one for each covenant

All of the above. The more choices the merrier.
If we are thinking of strictly going by "what anima color would a death knight have?" in a forced choice like DK eyes, I guess it'd have to either be Maldraxxus or Maw, but it'd be criminal for blood DKs not to be able to go Revendreth energy

[Magistrate]

That'd be so confusing though. They don't have to add a Gleeful Glamour for Ethereals, especially the week of 11.2.5.

Maybe you want this so badly it's skewing your ability to read the information at hand and you're massively over reading a toy?

[Cheezits]

Or maybe they were never going to be playable and they gave the toy as a halfway point since clearly they weren't developing player quality models? Also perhaps why they added tmog that basically turns you into an ethereal?

It's not a toy though, it's an enchant that temporarily turns you into an Ethereal for 20-60 minutes, and a pretty annoying one to craft at that.

The gimmick is that normally Gleeful Glamours are for the races that can wear player armor, so essentially you can be an Orc in Alliance armor and such.

There currently isn't a toy that lets you turn into a normal 11.2 Ethereal- but there is one for the Shadowguard (hidden kyveza raid trinket toy) and Brokers/TBC Ethereals/Locus-Walker.

https://www.wowhead.com/item=226810/...hroud#comments (this one is very annoying to get)
https://www.wowhead.com/item=245567/...al#screenshots

[Wyrt]

No evoker for Legion remix probably means no DH void spec people have been speculating about.

[Lady Atia]

I'm just looking for the Honor Level artifact appearances i'm too busy to grind out because PVP.

They already said these wont be available (which is good, you should be doing pvp to get pvp rewards).