Midnight 12.X Patches & World Soul Saga Speculation Thread

[AOL Instant Messenger]

No thanks, the main story doesn't need to be concluded, and all of this isn't endless filler. It would be incredibly stupid to end the main story(And in before someone whines about milking the franchise).

You're super-duper right. Every story must last indefinitely, no matter how tortured the excuses become to keep it going.

[Santandame]

I think Amirdrassil is going to be an anchor to Ardenweald. After all, it was blessed with life and death, and represent that with the portal to the Dream nearby. It will finally be a way to connect the Shadowlands to Azeroth as Tyrande said in her discussion with Ysera, it's difficult to access it.



During his time there, something will happen to Malfurion i guess.

- "The vassal of life disguises treachery. Beware the eyes of green."

No thanks. The concept of death was already undermined with Shadowlands. No need to bastardise it further, rendering it effectively meaningless if we can have an an anchor that allows us to travel to and from at will.

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Where are people thinking the Firelands thing is coming from? We already have the zone Warglaive that first leaked the dream, and it was covered in plants and greenery. Way more likely that it will be a lush Dream zone, just with fire themed enemies attacking.

My mistake, I chose the wrong theme. I meant moreso Hyjal in Cataclysm being half a zone on fire, or after a fire. Not the actual Firelands itself.

[Khaza-R]

Where are people thinking the Firelands thing is coming from? We already have the zone Warglaive that first leaked the dream, and it was covered in plants and greenery. Way more likely that it will be a lush Dream zone, just with fire themed enemies attacking.

Could be. I guess it will depend on how success Fyrakk is. But I was more alluding to Firelands as the whole patch. Not the actual location.

I mean, Druids of the Flame coming back is random as hell. Seems like a very intention ode to Firelands at this point.

[Nibelheimy]

I think after just having a time skip leaving room for great new stories and lore to be brought in, it would be nice if we could stop trying to tie everything to the shadowlands and WoD.

Feel like the tree itself will be saved (story suicide to let anything bad happen to it). I do feel like if it's mainly Fyrak based it could be a little too firelands mount hyjal remineicent. So I'm hoping the fire is mainly saved for the raid itself at least, as it seems Vyranoth is likely to survive the patch with what we know so far.

I wonder If the new zone will the dream blending into the ilses west of the ohnaranplains so the tree itself doesn't actually have permanent residency there. I hope so anyway.

[Aeluron Lightsong]

Where are people thinking the Firelands thing is coming from? We already have the zone Warglaive that first leaked the dream, and it was covered in plants and greenery. Way more likely that it will be a lush Dream zone, just with fire themed enemies attacking.

I think people are expecting a mash of Emerald Dream and a lot of fiery(Shadow fiery) areas throughout the new zone and apparently some wanted a Fire and ice theme going on around here. The thing about the Firelands though is, there wasn't too much of a narrative going on in Firelands. Yeah we went to stop Ragnaros and his fire elementals reeking havoc on Hyjal but... its a very different situation. We're going to be fighting an Incarnate Proto Drake with Shadowflame in it along with other drakes empowered by Shadowflame. Not necessarily a elemental Lord and its a very Nelven story and while FIrelands did have Malfurion and Cenarius there wasn't too much story going on at least comparatively.

I think after just having a time skip leaving room for great new stories and lore to be brought in, it would be nice if we could stop trying to tie everything to the shadowlands and WoD.

That is if they use it and many just think revamp when you say it like that(Which I don't have an issue but until I see it for myself I'm still in the middle if a revamp happens). In a way I see the time skip in a similar way, sort of changing some parts of the status quo on Azeroth(Not a complete change that its scary).

[Catastrophy349]

I feel like 10.2 will be the area off the coast of Ohn'ahran Plains, for sure. However, I doubt the "Emerald Dream" will be the zone. I don't really see the ED as a singular zone. The new zone could be Amirdrassil (similar to Teldrassil being an entire zone), or something like Mount Hyjal where Nordrassil (the tree) was part of the zone (in this case Amirdrassil) and the zone would be everything around it.

[Catastrophy349]

TBF, I don't think people are expecting to get the entirety of the Emerald Dream as a single zone or patch. At most we'll get something like Argus, with three zones playable from that entire world. But it could just be the one zone as well.

Very true! Either way, I really hope 10.2 pushes the narrative forward more than 10.1 felt. It was great to see the black dragon/blue dragon story stuff unfold, but man, it felt like a side story more than the A-plot narrative.

[Ersula]

- "The vassal of life disguises treachery. Beware the eyes of green."

We literally changed story directors twice since those whispers. They're not indicative of anything anymore. The events of Dragonflight were not planned when they were writing those whispers in BFA.

[Cheezits]

We literally changed story directors twice since those whispers. They're not indicative of anything anymore. The events of Dragonflight were not planned when they were writing those whispers in BFA.

They are still making references to whispers from Legion. They will 100% follow up on the eyes of green thing, it just hasn't been done because so little of the content since Emerald Nightmare has had to do with Life/green eyed characters.

The Nathrezim book in Revendreth outright states they have an agent and/or conspirator in the Lifelands.

[Catastrophy349]

Green eyes could also be symbolic for envy or jealousy as opposed to physical green eyes.

[Santandame]

And why not ? After all, it is only one cosmic plane among many others. We do have access to part of the kingdom of life, why not death?

Im not even going to dignify that with a response lol.

[Cheezits]

They are going to show that the zone is like three chunks of the Lifelands/Dream that are entirely whimsical and fantastical and nobody is going to whine because it looks pretty and the Dream is "old lore" that people like. The "wahhhh no cosmic ever" is a silly point when a good chunk of beloved Warcraft are ghosts, fairies, demons and aliens.

Maybe it was just that the Shadowlands were shit/badly constructed and written? And not "every single magical/fantastical thing is suddenly bad and we will never revisit it"?

[Catastrophy349]

They are going to show that the zone is like three chunks of the Lifelands/Dream that are entirely whimsical and fantastical and nobody is going to whine because it looks pretty and the Dream is "old lore" that people like. The "wahhhh no cosmic ever" is a silly point when a good chunk of beloved Warcraft are ghosts, fairies, demons and aliens.

Maybe it was just that the Shadowlands were shit/badly constructed and written? And not "every single magical/fantastical thing is suddenly bad and we will never revisit it"?

I stand by my statement that SL would have been 1000 times better if it was set up better before going there. I love the cosmic lore stuff. Heck, I would be fine going to any Zereth, cosmic domain/realm, planet, etc. I just want a nice build up for doing it that doesn't feel too fast or random.

[Cheezits]

I stand by my statement that SL would have been 1000 times better if it was set up better before going there. I love the cosmic lore stuff. Heck, I would be fine going to any Zereth, cosmic domain/realm, planet, etc. I just want a nice build up for doing it that doesn't feel too fast or random.

It definitely got kneecapped by the "surprise" element. It would've been much cooler if during BFA, Sylvanas started teaming up with Spirit Healers and/or Kyrian, Mawsworn, Maldraxxus forces etc as the buildup would be there and we would have some expectations for what the Shadowlands were like. Instead it's just Drust who are side-side villains.

Alas, they couldn't balance that and N'zoth/Nyalotha and didn't have the models for SL creatures ready in time.

[Aeluron Lightsong]

It definitely got kneecapped by the "surprise" element. It would've been much cooler if during BFA, Sylvanas started teaming up with Spirit Healers and/or Kyrian, Mawsworn, Maldraxxus forces etc as the buildup would be there and we would have some expectations for what the Shadowlands were like. Instead it's just Drust who are side-side villains.

Alas, they couldn't balance that and N'zoth/Nyalotha and didn't have the models for SL creatures ready in time.

Or just Shadowlands would be...well right now. I.E. delay SL by 2.5 years. Of course this would also require no Covid and Scandal shennigans.

[Santandame]

They are going to show that the zone is like three chunks of the Lifelands/Dream that are entirely whimsical and fantastical and nobody is going to whine because it looks pretty and the Dream is "old lore" that people like. The "wahhhh no cosmic ever" is a silly point when a good chunk of beloved Warcraft are ghosts, fairies, demons and aliens.

Maybe it was just that the Shadowlands were shit/badly constructed and written? And not "every single magical/fantastical thing is suddenly bad and we will never revisit it"?

Nothing wrong with visiting the Emerald Dream/Lifelands (if it’s even the same place) as a setting.

My issue is with the proposed idea that Amirdrassil could work as an anchor to the Shadowlands, establishing a permanent connection there. If we can cross over to the realm of Death willy nilly, and vice versa then it effectively destroys the consequences of dying in the Warcraft universe.

Cosmic settings are fine to an extent, as long as they make sense and don’t cheapen the story. Though, I agree with the sentiment echoed by a few here that Shadowlands the expansion would have been a lot better if it took place in Northrend. In my eyes, going to the actual Shadowlands itself would have worked better as either a raid or patch zone like Argus. With it highlighted that we don’t belong there, that us being there is an anomaly, and that the denizens of the Shadowlands can’t cross over like we have. Have it so narratively, we’re there on borrowed time and it’s a race against time to do what we need to do, escape and get back to the realm of the living lest we be trapped there.

However, I’m digressing from the purpose of the thread.

I would actually be over the moon with three fantastical and whimsical Dream zones, as opposed to the likelihood that we’re getting Cata era Hyjal 2.0.

[Cherry123]

If they go void expansion, they will bring Anduin back. I cringe if they made Xal'atath the new Dark Lady and Anduin her moral compass.

[Dracullus]

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What it can be? We just had 6 month mount and on top of that they added another 25$ mount. Hopefully it's some free weekend or something, otherwise it would be going overboard.

EDIT: Ok, one must be for sure next Prime drop, it's end of the month. Maybe 2nd one is twitch drop as well, Hardcore is probably launching soon.

[Ersula]

They are still making references to whispers from Legion. They will 100% follow up on the eyes of green thing, it just hasn't been done because so little of the content since Emerald Nightmare has had to do with Life/green eyed characters.

The Nathrezim book in Revendreth outright states they have an agent and/or conspirator in the Lifelands.

Then you're admitting you're just looking for coincidences because anything happening now was not planned when those whispers were written. You're just looking for vague symmetry to something written by someone who doesn't even work for Blizzard anymore.

[Palapop]

6.2 Archimonde death cinematic, 7.3 Antorus final cinematic showed us that in game cinematics can tease next expansion.

how did Archimonde death cinematic tease Legion?

edit: nvm, sorry. I completely forgot the part where he tosses Gul'Dan into the portal.