Midnight 12.X Patches & World Soul Saga Speculation Thread

[milkmustache]

Here's the thing: apparently there's two coats. Haven't seen the other one but that implies a Body Type 1 2 situation, IMO.

My friend, it may be time for us to pack it up.

[Makorus]

Ethereals were never going to be made playable in TWW. The only possible place they could be made playable is Midnight. Blizzard does not add races mid-expansion, they only add Allied Races.

Ethereals would be an Allied Race anyway though?

[Trad skeleton]

It could imply several things. Most likely it would definitely mean a new race. But then again, Dracthyr do in a way have wo body options given the very slight differences between the skinny body types and the bulkiest one (the bulky one had broader shoulders), so that is an option.

Simultaneously, the Ethereals don't really have two body options either. Unless there are very slight differences between models, then there is just one Ethereal with different gendered voices.
Could of course be assumed there would be two different options being made assuming they become playable to make it fit. But given nothing indicated that to be the case at this time, it's effectively a worthless argument.

Really, the coat thing is entirely up in the air. For all we know it could be that one version is made for Dracthyr, and one is made for Ethereals, since both probably just need the one variant each.

Exciting stuff regardless.

Ethereals as a body type and brokers as a body type, no? As they are the same race. I don't think this is happening, though this is what came to mind.

[Cheezits]

Simultaneously, the Ethereals don't really have two body options either. Unless there are very slight differences between models, then there is just one Ethereal with different gendered voices.

They added distinctive male and female bodies for them in 11.1, though they didn't appear besides Azir until 11.2.

The fact that its rather silly they have breasts has been brought up, but they are more androgynous than the old school dimorphism.

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My friend, it may be time for us to pack it up.

I'll go on to the end. At least it's likely for a new race of some kind at all- I really do not think they are hiding Dracthyr armor.

[Raetary]

Ethereals as a body type and brokers as a body type, no?

Rather male Ethereal and female Ethereal.

[kavikor]

Ethereals were never going to be made playable in TWW. The only possible place they could be made playable is Midnight. Blizzard does not add races mid-expansion, they only add Allied Races.

I feel like this distinction between Allied Race and "full" Race has been so blurred by Blizzard that the distinction is only held up by fans. The last 'real' race we actually got was what - Worgen and Goblin?

It can't be that Allied Races don't use unique models because Kul Tiran are unique, it can't be that the race is somehow a subrace of a current one because Vulpera exist, and Dracthyr do have their own starting zone, but they most certainly did not start as a "real" race because they were made for 1 singular class in their original vision.

I don't really see a point in arguing the semantics of Allied vs Not because Blizzard doesn't really have a set definition honestly. Allied simply used to mean "Earned through a rep grind" imo, and now they've almost entirely done away with all that.

[Magistrate]

They added distinctive male and female bodies for them in 11.1, though they didn't appear besides Azir until 11.2.

The fact that its rather silly they have breasts has been brought up, but they are more androgynous than the old school dimorphism.

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I'll go on to the end. At least it's likely for a new race of some kind at all- I really do not think they are hiding Dracthyr armor.

isnt the only difference the small boobs? dont they otherwise have the same dimensions and animations?

[Kiivar86]

Lightforged will get their heritage set recolor. Probably other races too.

https://www.wowhead.com/ptr/items/name:goldforged

Oh thank god.

[Magistrate]

I feel like this distinction between Allied Race and "full" Race has been so blurred by Blizzard that the distinction is only held up by fans. The last 'real' race we actually got was what - Worgen and Goblin?

It can't be that Allied Races don't use unique models because Kul Tiran are unique, it can't be that the race is somehow a subrace of a current one because Vulpera exist, and Dracthyr do have their own starting zone, but they most certainly did not start as a "real" race because they were made for 1 singular class in their original vision.

I don't really see a point in arguing the semantics of Allied vs Not because Blizzard doesn't really have a set definition honestly. Allied simply used to mean "Earned through a rep grind" imo, and now they've almost entirely done away with all that.

"allied race" seems, after the initial couple, to basically have been a convenient way for blizzard to add more customization for marketing purposes without having to really invest the time and effort into strong storytelling and worldbuilding, which created cascading lore problems they now have to fix.

[Makorus]

I feel like this distinction between Allied Race and "full" Race has been so blurred by Blizzard that the distinction is only held up by fans. The last 'real' race we actually got was what - Worgen and Goblin?

It can't be that Allied Races don't use unique models because Kul Tiran are unique, it can't be that the race is somehow a subrace of a current one because Vulpera exist, and Dracthyr do have their own starting zone, but they most certainly did not start as a "real" race because they were made for 1 singular class in their original vision.

I don't really see a point in arguing the semantics of Allied vs Not because Blizzard doesn't really have a set definition honestly. Allied simply used to mean "Earned through a rep grind" imo, and now they've almost entirely done away with all that.

The last real race was Dracthyr.

Allied Races are races that have an unlock requirement/quest line.

[Eeram]

Neither of those are major faction characters comparable to Lorthemar come on now.

What I’m about to tell you will bolster your complaints anyways. But to be honest. He’s kinda a nobody.
Like I get he’s the leader of the blood elves but other then that he hasn’t done much in much of any time other then get married….

[sylvira]

It could be Arator, I mean he's got his own portrait in the epic edition, he's in the new book coming out in November, and another book mentioned how he now resides in Silvermoon.

I'd love to see Lor'themar in a cinematic as a hordie, but I just feel like they're building Arator up. In the new book art he wears Belf colours, the blue in the sword might signify the alliance pull.

This is why people think it is Lort, things are somewhat different in shape but could be stuffs been realified for the CGI or he has a bit different armor on but the forefront hairstyle and placement of the gems mostly fit otherwise.

[Kiivar86]

I feel like this distinction between Allied Race and "full" Race has been so blurred by Blizzard that the distinction is only held up by fans. The last 'real' race we actually got was what - Worgen and Goblin?

Going by the Playable Races page on the WoW site, it is the Dracthyr as they're listed under "Races" while the others, including the Earthen, are under the "Allied Races" section.

[Magistrate]

What I’m about to tell you will bolster your complaints anyways. But to be honest. He’s kinda a nobody.
Like I get he’s the leader of the blood elves but other then that he hasn’t done much in much of any time other then get married….

He led the assault on the isle of thunder and the naval invasion of the orgrimmar insurrection, the horde assault on nazjatar, a lot of other stuff

He's probably accomplished more than Alleria to be honest

[kavikor]

The last real race was Dracthyr.

Allied Races are races that have an unlock requirement/quest line.

So would you say that's your criteria? Allied Race = Unlock Requirements, Real Race = Available at Character Creation?

Because if that's the case what's to stop an Ethereal being added in 11.2.5 and the requirement being to complete the 11.2 Ka'resh storyline? That would qualify it as an Allied race and thus qualify it for being added early.

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Going by the Playable Races page on the WoW site, it is the Dracthyr as they're listed under "Races" while the others, including the Earthen, are under the "Allied Races" section.

I figured that was the case, I think I just had my own inner criteria of what a "full" race would entail and Dracthyr (Originally) didn't fit my idea of it since they were locked to a singular class. Hard to escape your own biases.

[Makorus]

So would you say that's your criteria? Allied Race = Unlock Requirements, Real Race = Available at Character Creation?

Because if that's the case what's to stop an Ethereal being added in 11.2.5 and the requirement being to complete the 11.2 Ka'resh storyline? That would qualify it as an Allied race and thus qualify it for being added early.

Nothing is stopping that, and that's the most likely scenario? People in this community make idiotic arbitray restrictions all the time for no real reason. Blizzard doesn't need to wait until a specific time before they can add something.

[Jodmos]

This is why people think it is Lort, things are somewhat different in shape but could be stuffs been realified for the CGI or he has a bit different armor on but the forefront hairstyle and placement of the gems mostly fit otherwise.

That picture looks like he's kneeling with his head down and holding the sword sticking in the ground

[Magistrate]

Because if that's the case what's to stop an Ethereal being added in 11.2.5 and the requirement being to complete the 11.2 Ka'resh storyline?

Probably the fact they weren't planned to be playable and aren't coming :c

[Wyrt]

Ethereals would be an Allied Race anyway though?

No, they would not.

I feel like this distinction between Allied Race and "full" Race has been so blurred by Blizzard that the distinction is only held up by fans. The last 'real' race we actually got was what - Worgen and Goblin?

It can't be that Allied Races don't use unique models because Kul Tiran are unique, it can't be that the race is somehow a subrace of a current one because Vulpera exist, and Dracthyr do have their own starting zone, but they most certainly did not start as a "real" race because they were made for 1 singular class in their original vision.

I don't really see a point in arguing the semantics of Allied vs Not because Blizzard doesn't really have a set definition honestly. Allied simply used to mean "Earned through a rep grind" imo, and now they've almost entirely done away with all that.

Dracthyr were the last full race we got.

[Kiivar86]

I figured that was the case, I think I just had my own inner criteria of what a "full" race would entail and Dracthyr (Originally) didn't fit my idea of it since they were locked to a singular class. Hard to escape your own biases.

That's fair. I actually wasn't sure where they'd be located under it anyway, so this is news to me too, I wasn't sure I'd include them under just core "races" too, frankly.