Midnight 12.X Patches & World Soul Saga Speculation Thread

[Lady Atia]

11.2.7
player housing (early access)
darkshire night watch
damage meter ui update
new timewalking content, additional dungeons, raid and world quests added for each event
new neutral allied race: ethereal
new spec for demon hunter, voidrender
void elf, draenei, nightborne and orc can be demon hunters

12.0
quel'thalas, eastweald, northeron & zul'aman
new allied races: high elf for alliance - amani troll for horde
spell customization collection tab, collect brand new visuals for spells (old versions of spell visuals also available) visit a class trainer to change visuals
world tiers for leveling and endgame via chromie time (empowered mobs, better rewards, group quests, no flying)
dynamic ground mounts worldwide, rocket boost speed, double jump, throw turtle shell to dismount enemy players or banana peels to slow
new race/class combinations:
all races can be paladins
all races can be shamans
blood elf and dwarf can be druids
new hero talents from 80-90, several hero talents reworked
pvp reward revamp with seasonal renown track and a new capture the flag battleground in quel'thalas setting
new player experience leveling revamp
start in racial starting zone (exile's reach is no more) -> MSQ featuring highlights of each wow expansion with chromie, lorewalking will offer other storylines such as the battle for undercity, war of thorns. timewalking occurs every 2 weeks, and includes bonuses from the collector's bounty and winds of mysterious fortune events

Doesn't sound too bad, and most of the 12.0 stuff here is to be expect tbh

[Makorus]

They’d be an expansion feature. Anyone who thinks otherwise is delusional.

Just like Earthen then?

Who are.... an... allied race!?

Edit: Or, actually, like Void Elves/Nightborne/Highmountain/Lightforged.

[bruxx]

They’d be an expansion feature. Anyone who thinks otherwise is delusional.

I mean, every single race and class to ever have come out is, yeah.

[Magistrate]

A modern, somewhat frozen, somewhat coniferous rainforest version of Stormheim with warring Wildhammer Gryphon Riders and Amani Forest Stalkers would be incredible.

I still think northeron is not being moved but I do have to admit this sounds very nice

[milkmustache]

I still think northeron is not being moved but I do have to admit this sounds very nice

Northeron is just an easy thing to point at right now. I'm still 50/50 on it, but I wouldn't care if they just redid the Hinterlands as this. The zone has a high elf, forest troll and dwarf presence. I think something along the lines is bound to happen.

[13last]

This is ALOT of wish fulfilment. I think the dynamic ground mounts is waaaay too cartoonish though. I do not think they are gonna have us do mario kart with shells and boosting. Very goofy.

HOWEVER. The Spell Effects being purchased or modified via the useless trainers all over the world is goated.

I don't believe it either but I gotta say imo WoW's changing, things that should not be possible in this engine are happening (dragonriding, Undermine ground mount experiment, housing, Dimensius fight is crazy)

I've watched a lot of interviews and am engaged in a lot of the bigger picture stuff of the game and to me them saying the next 20 years is a big statement. Look at Gamescom panels, an hour to game systems but hours and hours into community housing/delves and whatnot. Blizzard is heavily leaning into finding new audiences and I can totally see the game changing in ways most of us can't imagine. Now I doubt this will be happening until post WSS but I can see them heavily experimenting and seeing what works and what doesn't.

I'm a huge believer of Housing adding a lot of new players to the game, heck my wife that's a casual gamer is all into it because of decorating and collecting. They just heavily need to fix new player intro, it's so complicated for new players.

[Hearthfinder]

I would be pretty pissed off if Northeron is this because what we do know of the area is that it was similar enough to the Twilight Highlands to get lumped in with it.

Well the Warcraft 2 manual describes it as having rock, lumber, and frozen storms that the Mages summoned. Sounds like a forested and snowy mountain.

- - - Updated - - -

Dragonflight? Azure Span has snowy mountain regions.

You're right! I forgot those and only considered the mountains in Thaldraszus, which if memory serves are less snowy.

[Xeladriel]

so the icons of technician and void scarres was fake? i'm sad

[Wyrt]

Not fake, just used for other things.

[Xeladriel]

Not fake, just used for other things.

so..my heart is broken again, tinkerbros anyday...

[13last]

so..my heart is broken again, tinkerbros anyday...

One day we'll all look back at these posts when they finally announce tinkers we'll just laugh, although Blizzard's going to be the ultimate troll and name them something else.

[Reive]

fake?

[milkmustache]

-snip- fake?

Incredibly.

[The-Shan]

-snip-
fake?

The three on the left reek of AI generation

Edit: I will say, I threw the azshara/turalyon ones through three AI art detectors and they all come back saying its not AI, which is... Something.

[kavikor]

fake?

Reverse image search can't pull that specific variant of Azshara or Lor'themar, but I don't really feel like searching harder than that

Also Lor'themar looks a bit off

[Makorus]

That is so obviously AI there is no point even talking about it.

[Kereberus]

Jesus Lor'themar looks *rough*

[Wangming]

So the TWW part of the 2023 BlizzCon opening panel that had Metzen reveal the entire Worldsoul Saga, talk about Midnight and TLL, warning us that the cinematic won't be badass, showing the opening cinematic, showing the feature trailer and Holly going over the features again briefly was 25 minutes.
There was a 40 minute What's Next Panel and and a 44 minute Deep Dive Panel.

So a grand total of 109 minutes.


As DF was revealed in a Live Stream it is easier to count as the whole thing was one video. 1 hour and 10 minutes. Buuut the stream starts with a 10 minute countdown, followed by a weird mix of previous cinematics, ingame clips and blizzcon footage. And after that 5 minutes of tone deaf self congratulary dick sucking.
So the DF stuff begins 16 minutes in. Also There is a 5 and a half (let'just say 5 minutes to ease the math) gap for WotLK: Classic. So shave off 21 minutes from the stream time.
We had zone previews, the dracthyr, the evoker, the HUD, the talents and the profession systems. All in all a pretty meaty and much needed list of features (besides Dracthyr and evoker. LOL)
All of this in 49 minutes

Shadowlands

I don't have the full least, but it seems all it had was a 45 minute What's next panel. (Frankly that was more than enough for such a feature light expansion)
With the 12 minute reveal at the opening ceremony that spend most of its time Ion cheekily joking about how so much got leaked that time, the grand total came out as 57 minutes.
Whoops, scratch that. Managed to find the 50 minute Deep Dive. So 107 minutes

BFA
Imma be real with you, this has been my favorite Expansion reveal of em all. Plus it was great to see Brack humble himself by having to reveal Vanilla. Oddly enough this was the first reveal that came with the opening cinematic. That was indeed not the rule.
Besides the opening ceremony where 10 minutes was devoted to BfA.
We had
60 minutes What's Next Panel
40 minute System deep dive
And some panels like the 'we like and value women" that we don't count and the live QnA.
So 110 minutes in total

Legion

Okay, this is the most relevant one because it was also a Gamescom reveal,
First of all the girl revealing it was pretty darn cute. Lovely accent too.
Second of all, there were no other real panels, just a few stuff like dance contest and shit.
Just one stream, scheduled to be an hour long but was 79 minutes.
Thirdly, I am serious that chick is so darn cute.

So what can be gathered is that at BlizzCon and expansion reveal gets about two hours of screen time, while any other case gets one hour.
Give or take 10 minutes based on the circlejerk blowjob ammount.

With all that said and done.

Let's see the currently official panel schedule that has everyone clutching their pearls as it comfirms that they have nothing to reveal and we are all going to die of boredome unless we have an exodus again. (and with FFXIV not doing too good this time probably not to Eorzea).

The opening ceremony: Undisclosed ammount of time devoted to at the very least the cinematic.
Housing Showcase: It has its own panel and it is almost 3 hours long. 2 hours 45 minutes is longer than what an expansion gets in total.
Midnight Dev Panel: 30 minutes. A bit short, but considering housing has its own showcase, not that bad
Housing Showcase 2: 2 hour 15 minutes. They really fucking milking it for all its worth. We are looking at a grand total of 5 hours of housing stuff
Systems Download Dev Panel: 30 minutes. No idea what's a Systems Download is, but 60 minutes of Dev Panels ain't that bad.

All in all I feel that besides the Housing Showcase we are looking at as much time as Legion got, just more spread out. And more than what Dragonflight got.
So keep that in mind as you manage your expectations. This ammount is fine.

[Andromedes]

Azshara design looks AI generated. Also why is she humanoid?

[Raetary]

Ugh, i don't get peoples obsession with wanting Azshara to turn back into an elf.

She adores her current form.

Reverse image search can't pull that specific variant of Azshara or Lor'themar, but I don't really feel like searching harder than that

Because they don't exist elsewhere, it's AI.