Midnight 12.X Patches & World Soul Saga Speculation Thread

[Aeluron Lightsong]

There is still Denathrius if it doesn't work out with Xal'atath.

True but I'd rather Denathrius go with his Dread Lord buddies and reinvent the Legion for revenge against us pesky mortals inferfering with his plans.

[AOL Instant Messenger]

True but I'd rather Denathrius go with his Dread Lord buddies and reinvent the Legion for revenge against us pesky mortals inferfering with his plans.

Plus, while Denathrius and Azshara are good on their own, I feel like their personalities are far too redundant to make an enjoyable pairing. They're practically the same people. I'd rather they be paired with characters that they can have more of a dynamic with.

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Right now, I woulf say its more likely she has her own plan and its usefull to have allies with power. It will never get to that point were they are at odds in who will rule and who will come second or w/e by that time we have already destroyed their plans in wows fashion.

If they are just temporarily using one another with mutual intent to betray the other, that would make more sense. Personally, however, I'd prefer to see them be outright enemies; besides, it would be a bit odd for Xal'atath to overlook the inevitability of Azshara turning on her first given that she already did the same to N'Zoth.

[Catastrophy349]

So, question for the MMO-C community: Would you prefer the "Full story" being available from the beginning (whether this be an expansion/patch) or would you prefer it play out in chunks (time-gating...new quest(s) every week)? I ask because while having the story all at once is awesome, it also sucks because then you have to wait several weeks/months for new story. On the other-hand, if you get story weekly, it takes longer to learn everything BUT then you have something to speculate on, and look forward to weekly, as you await new content not too far in the future?

[Xilurm]

Alex and Vyranoth were getting spicy, though

Characters can't be seen acting in any way with each other before people ship them. It's annoying.

[Catastrophy349]

Characters can't be seen acting in any way with each other before people ship them. It's annoying.

That's your response to a joke because others were literally talking about romance for several posts? LOL. In other news...

[Xilurm]

That's your response to a joke because others were literally talking about romance for several posts? LOL. In other news...

Xal'atath and Azshara sound dumb too!

[Catastrophy349]

Xal'atath and Azshara sound dumb too!

It all sounds dumb. I agree with you: everyone just wants to ship everyone anymore. I just added my two cents because it was part of the conversation haha.

[nanoneo]

So, question for the MMO-C community: Would you prefer the "Full story" being available from the beginning (whether this be an expansion/patch) or would you prefer it play out in chunks (time-gating...new quest(s) every week)? I ask because while having the story all at once is awesome, it also sucks because then you have to wait several weeks/months for new story. On the other-hand, if you get story weekly, it takes longer to learn everything BUT then you have something to speculate on, and look forward to weekly, as you await new content not too far in the future?

Blizz employee asking for timegating in 11.0? For me weekly story chunks are fine

[Hugnomo]

I find it sad that people can't get get beyond finding lgbtq romances weird/political/ideological etc, 'cause I feel like blizzard has done a terrific job this expansion doing exactly what people have wanted out of this aspect of narrative - organic, grounded, not always the focus, not always irrelevant, character emphasis. Whether it's Malygos/Syndragosa (straight couple btw), which I found to be among the best narratives this expansion, or the vast array of less important characters that just inhabit the world.
After having lived through Thrall and Aggra's story in cata ... I think we have an embarrassment of riches.

Sure there's people who are against any kind of romance in WoW ... which, if we were getting Thrall/Aggra styled narratives, I might have agreed with. But we're not. I find it a little juvenille to refuse any kind of romance in games as a general rule, kinda gives "girls have cooties" vibes. It's a part of the human condition, just like war, greed, family, friendship, all have been thoroughly explored as well.

[Revamp Man]

It's pretty obvious they got that from Neltharion's labs. Besides, Fyrakk, one of said Incarnates, has that same power too and got it in the same place.

Neltharion ran his lab with the blood of the Djaradin elder
Wouldn't make sense for him to fuel his experiments with the result of said experiments
Iridikron even called it the source

Fyrakk got it from bathing in the pools of it

[Xilurm]

It all sounds dumb. I agree with you: everyone just wants to ship everyone anymore. I just added my two cents because it was part of the conversation haha.

Oh I thought you were serious, my bad.

[Makabreska]

There is still Denathrius if it doesn't work out with Xal'atath.

I really wonder if they are going to do anything with him. Dude literally survived on a whim due to his sudden popularity.

[Alanar]

There is still Denathrius if it doesn't work out with Xal'atath.

Now that couple would be booming, they are just pretty far apart from eachother. How would they meet eachother?

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Xal'atath and Azshara sound dumb too!

Just like wrathduin.

[Skildar]

We literally just got a quest about Tyranda and Malf starting there romance this patch with the bronze stuff, not sure how you can say they barely around when most gay couples have like one quest.

I didn't find any quest about this. Is it part of the time rifts?

Beyond them off the top of my head we got

That one tuskar couple
Sebillion and what ever is brood mother is called
Nozdormu and Soridormi
Thrall and Aggra (not on the isle but I’d say still count)
Baine and Mayla


And then likely tons of smaller couples I'm missing, there are plenty.

I'm talking this expansion, do Thrall and Aggra show up? Has Baine started courting Mayla this expac? Last I know they're just pals. Nozdormu and Soridormi barely speak to each other and almost never acknowledge the fact that they are mates.
You can understand the feeling that I've had playing the main story and the quests along the way without trying to shoehorn counter examples, can't you?

[huth]

Neltharion ran his lab with the blood of the Djaradin elder
Wouldn't make sense for him to fuel his experiments with the result of said experiments
Iridikron even called it the source

Fyrakk got it from bathing in the pools of it

Did you miss the huge void chamber at the bottom of his lab? Neltharion infused the shadow into the elder, not the other way around.

[Revamp Man]

Did you miss the huge void chamber at the bottom of his lab? Neltharion infused the shadow into the elder, not the other way around.

Then why was the elder being used as a battery
"It served as effective fuel for the crucible for a millenia"
Why does one of the other elders have the power of shadow?

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Now that couple would be booming, they are just pretty far apart from eachother. How would they meet eachother?

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Just like wrathduin.

Ok romance aside I am definitely wondering if Xal might be able to obtain remornia and essentially enslave Denathrius with a new body? She's done it for herself with that Naga item

[Lorgar Aurelian]

I didn't find any quest about this. Is it part of the time rifts?

I haven't touched time rifts personally but I believe so.

I'm talking this expansion, do Thrall and Aggra show up?

orc heritage.

You can understand the feeling that I've had playing the main story and the quests along the way without trying to shoehorn counter examples, can't you?

No I really can't understand "everybody is gay" when that's just demonstrable not the case.

[Schwert]

There's two "prominent" (quest NPC) gay couples in Dragonflight I can even think of, and I'm queer, so these things should stand out to me.
The only two times I didn't like the representation were the Centaur marriage quest, which just felt out of place in the game in general and was just... cringey, and the way they handled Pelagos - which I'm not going to talk about because I hate opening myself up about my own experiences because of crazy people on "both sides".

The game is not swarmed with LGBT content. It's just sort of there in a few places, and that's how real life is, and how a fantasy world would be too. Like, give me more of the Artisan couple popping up from time to time. Those two dudes are awesome. That felt natural for a romance thing. Same thing with the Jewelcrafting quests from Cataclysm.
Anybody who says something like that is "in their face" is clearly just mad it exists in general.

[huth]

Then why was the elder being used as a battery
"It served as effective fuel for the crucible for a millenia"
Why does one of the other elders have the power of shadow?

Can't heat a forge without fire. With the world boss, you're back to their pact with Fyrakk. The world bosses are storywise still sleeping by the time Fyrakk is done feeding on it.

[Catastrophy349]

10.1.7 build datamining begins!