Midnight 12.X Patches & World Soul Saga Speculation Thread

[Wangming]

Yeah, she'd ally with us, but I don't really see why any elf would ally with her. Plus, it's literally just the whole core concept of 11.2 all over again.

Maybe that was the forshadowing of how the void has to be dealt with.

Like how Khadgar turned himself into energy to escape being unalived by Xal'atath and later us learning that the Etherals became ethereals to escape being unalived by the presence of Dimensius.

[Enrif]

https://blizzard.gamespress.com/Worl...r-Within-76896

Nope, just Anduin and Thrall.

Yet the focus was on the girls. Anduin was mostly just the hallowfall guy, and thrall… was around

[Houle]

So I'm hoping that we'll form a desperate alliance with her for now- and if that's the case, her taking a form we'd be more willing to trust is completely in-character.

So you want them to literally repeat the exact plot they just did with Xal, with a characer thats already inherently extremly similar to Xal?

Wow, that would suck.

[Wangming]

Yet the focus was on the girls. Anduin was mostly just the hallowfall guy, and thrall… was around

Because the girls weren't in the trailer.

[Makorus]

Yet the focus was on the girls. Anduin was mostly just the hallowfall guy, and thrall… was around

What's your point with that?
Anduin and Thrall are in the press kit because they are the prominent characters in the cinematic.
Xalatath is missing from the press kit even though she will be the most prominent character in the cinematic.

[Enrif]

Northern EK is just as stupid.

And yeah, absolutely.

Azshara wouldn't be the primary antagonist, because that is clearly Xal, there's no way they aren't going to milk her for the whole expansion.
Azshara also fundamentally 1.) wouldn't ally with Xalatath and 2.) wouldn't ally with us.

So you have an Azshara that you have to resolve in the middle of the expansion as a filler patch, again, like in BfA.

Metanarratively, Azshara is literally the same character as Xalatath.

Well, who says Azhara is a villain? She could be an Ally you don’t trust. Like we had with Xal in 11.2, I could even see paranoia about her being a big part, but she really helps… until her time comes

[Wyrt]

So you want them to literally repeat the exact plot they just did with Xal, with a characer thats already inherently extremly similar to Xal?

Wow, that would suck.

Plot twist, we side with Xal'atath again to defeat Azshara.

[Makorus]

Well, who says Azhara is a villain? She could be an Ally you don’t trust. Like we had with Xal in 11.2, I could even see paranoia about her being a big part, but she really helps… until her time comes

So they do the exact same plot point they did last patch, with a character who is pretty much the same as Xalatath personality wise?

Like, don't get me wrong, if you try hard enough, you can find a way to fit Azshara into the expansion, it would just not be worth it.

[Paula Deen]

i'm not sure this is fake. AI usually botches those elf ears.

They all have the same "glowing outline" that indicates a light behind them shining onto them, which AI could have issues to replicate as consistently across all characters. The armor on Turalyon and Lor'themar is also sound, something AI easily botches 99% of the time. The one thing that makes me halt is the "wristband" on Turalyons right hand, it blue/red and has some purple dangling from it. That is something from his real art. AI could have easily botched that detail

look carefully at his right han

that small detail... i think that leak is real

A small detail....that is in all the artwork and models of him since 2017. Yes. Very small. Definitely not easily recreated with AI trained on images specifically of him?

[Wyrt]

Yet the focus was on the girls. Anduin was mostly just the hallowfall guy, and thrall… was around

We know Xal'atath is prominent in the cinematic and we can assume Alleria will be there too since she's more or less going to be the main character. No way they wouldn't be included in the press kit.

[Bwgmon]

So you want them to literally repeat the exact plot they just did with Xal, with a characer thats already inherently extremly similar to Xal?

Wow, that would suck.

And then when Azshara gets the football, we form a new desperate alliance with Xal again until she takes the football back and carries it to the endzone.

[The-Shan]

I still think the "unification of the elves" strictly relates to Quel'thalas and the High Elves/Blood Elves.

Metzen does say 'the elves of azeroth', but I still agree. Unless they somehow shoehorn Night Elves into the story I don't see why they'd be involved more than any other, or why a void invasion with necessitate elven unity specifically. Nightborne I understand since they are arguably Silvermoons closest ally, and most culturally compatible group outside of Thalassian elves.

[Enrif]

Metzen said Midnight would be about the unification of the Elves. I’d be a lot more interested in the possibility that they’re united again under Azshara. It would be poetic irony and would open up a lot more potentially interesting stories to have a leader be so very clearly evil but the likes of Anduin, Alleria, Jaina etc being unable to act on it because to depose her would be to alienate the general Elf populace.

Oh yeah, that sounds like something interesting that could be build up. With sylanas, gallywix and garrosh gone, we don’t have any leaders who are morally gray or black. She would be a lot of fresh air to the stale leaderships

[Paula Deen]

Yeah, she absolutely deserves more. Nazjatar and Nyalotha being patch content and not expansion content will forever go down as a terrible choice.

I think the squandering of Nyalotha, Nazjatar, and Argus will go down as one of the biggest financial mistakes they made during the last saga HOWEVER, I really did enjoy what we got out of the the later two. Especially Argus. Argus was amazing. Nazjatar was beautiful for sure, but Azshara just was grating.

[Makorus]

A small detail....that is in all the artwork and models of him since 2017. Yes. Very small. Definitely not easily recreated with AI trained on images specifically of him?

They also kept that detail, but not the detail of the boots, that look completely different, completely different shoulders, and completely different gloves.

[Trad skeleton]

I think the squandering of Nyalotha, Nazjatar, and Argus will go down as one of the biggest financial mistakes they made during the last saga HOWEVER, I really did enjoy what we got out of the the later two. Especially Argus. Argus was amazing. Nazjatar was beautiful for sure, but Azshara just was grating.

I don't disagree with you at all. Nazjatar was beautiful. It was a fun zone. I liked it for what it was. An entire expansion of that, though? It would have been amazing.

[Enrif]

I'm really, really not sold on Azshara being involved here.

I think the Elven tribes in reference were the Sin'dorei, Ren'dorei and Quel'dorei. I think the Shal'dorei and Kal'dorei will play very minimal roles at that. Adding in Azshara just feels like one too many cooks in the kitchen.

Dude, you‘re teamworldrevamp. Talking about too many cooks in the kitchen

[Houle]

And then when Azshara gets the football, we form a new desperate alliance with Xal again until she takes the football back and carries it to the endzone.

Xals true form being a purple flummy, bouncing back and forth from the player characters confirmed?

[Mace]

Metzen does say 'the elves of azeroth', but I still agree. Unless they somehow shoehorn Night Elves into the story I don't see why they'd be involved more than any other, or why a void invasion with necessitate elven unity specifically. Nightborne I understand since they are arguably Silvermoons closest ally, and most culturally compatible group outside of Thalassian elves.

I've thought of this as well, he presence of Azshara in events might also linke the night elves in.

the reason why people struggle with this si because of the prevailing presentatio of night leves only concerned with nature and forests, rathaer than the side of them that built a global cilvization and produced magical wonders they are as insanely good as high elves or thier nightborne sub-race (if not better for being the original)

Thematically, the night elves have moonguard and Highborne to playa role in magical matters, they have Elune the moon goddes to play a role with celestial themes of arcane, light and void - if they return her to original role and stop tyring to make her a nature goddess - skewing the night elves too heavily too nature and druidism rather than being balanced with the Moon/stars arcane side and then the nature forest side.

Likes of Shandris could join up in Ghostlands or Eversong forest - but to be honest, they don't relaly fit exccept for allies of hte high elves. Nightbonre helping blood leves and Highborne helping high elves - that is as much as I'd involve htem.

however i'm open to being surpirsed and somethign treally cool being done..

[Makorus]

Dude, you‘re teamworldrevamp. Talking about too many cooks in the kitchen

A world revamp does not have to be relevant to the expansion it is introduced in (and ideally, isn't, to keep the whole Cataclysm situation from happening), so I don't see how that is relevant.