Midnight 12.X Patches & World Soul Saga Speculation Thread

[Darkarath]

Because adding a game mode that adds nothing other than making the game harder would be used by exactly 1% of the playerbase.

You're right. Without rewards it would fail.

I think that they should increase the rewards (gold, mats, expansion coin for collectables...) or even give World Tier difficult its own coin for collectables.

Also we should be able to get up to heroic gear in the highest World Tier. If we can get it from Delves I don't see why we should't be able to get it from World Content.

Just let us play however we want.

I don't expect I'll be playing WoW after The Last Titan. All the wonders of Warcraft will be gone.

Personally I cannot wait to get over with the old lore and the WSS.

Don't get me wrong. I'm very interested in living and playing through the saga, but I'm perfectly aware that the lore is a mess and that a starting anew is kind of necessary. Hopefully without the Cosmic Forces being so central to the story, focusing more in local conflicts without world-ending threats happening practically every year.

[Xilurm]

Because adding a game mode that adds nothing other than making the game harder would be used by exactly 1% of the playerbase.

Mythic is only played by the 1% too and no one complains about that.

[Nymrohd]

Mythic is only played by the 1% too and no one complains about that.

Mythic DOES give better rewards and quite a lot of people complain about that. The fact that the Catalyst and Delves have made those rewards far less exclusive is probably part of what makes the last couple of expacs much more successful.

[Makorus]

You're right. Without rewards it would fail.

I think that they should increase the rewards (gold, mats, expansion coin for collectables...) or even give World Tier difficult its own coin for collectables.

Also we should be able to get up to heroic gear in the highest World Tier. If we can het it from Delves I don't see why we should't be able to get it from World Content.

Just let us play however we want.

There is no way in hell it's going to give Heroic Gear. No way at all. At best, you will get 2-4 Champion pieces per week and the rest will be Veteran.

[Romanz]

dont they have plans for up to 17.0 currently?

[Makorus]

Mythic is only played by the 1% too and no one complains about that.

No? Vexie has a 12% achievement rate, Cauldron 11% and Rik 8%. Even Cutting Edge is 3%
Nerub'ar is similar, around 13% until Ovinax.

Funnily enough Delver Tier 11 has a 13% achievement rate.

People love to say "No one does Mythic raids" when the participation is quite high. Yeah, not a lot of people clear Mythic, but that's irrelevant.

[Nymrohd]

dont they have plans for up to 17.0 currently?

Where is this coming from?

[Xilurm]

Mythic DOES give better rewards and quite a lot of people complain about that. The fact that the Catalyst and Delves have made those rewards far less exclusive is probably part of what makes the last couple of expacs much more successful.

I've literally never seen people say Mythic should be removed. Yet I see constantly people saying levelling should be removed from the game because it's pointless. There's a vocal minority that doesn't care about anything other than endgame and they'd see this game turned into just that. Then they're gonna be wondering why it's dead in a few years if that happens.

[Nymrohd]

There is no way in hell it's going to give Heroic Gear. No way at all. At best, you will get 2-4 Champion pieces per week and the rest will be Veteran.

I think current zone events (1 per zone so 4) could be Champion or first one per week is Champion and rest are Veteran and then Vault gear will go up to Champion (but you would still be able to replace those slots with Heroic from Delves)
And perhaps some limited Runed crests; crests would be more important imo. Like 40 (10x4) Runed Crests from the world events per week

[ImTheMizAwesome]

I don't know, i played with this hard mode on PTR and didn't feel like this is some kind of "fresh" journey, im okay with this being added in to retail no problem, but it shouldn't have any better rewards, let it just be a toggle for people that want to play that way.

[Makorus]

I think current zone events (1 per zone so 4) could be Champion or first one per week is Champion and rest are Veteran and then Vault gear will go up to Champion (but you would still be able to replace those slots with Heroic from Delves)

Yeah, they'll most likely replace the Caches you get for the events (the ones that give you gear/keys) and make them give Champ instead of Veteran and give you 2 or 1 1/2 keys instead of just 1.

[Nymrohd]

I've literally never seen people say Mythic should be removed. Yet I see constantly people saying levelling should be removed from the game because it's pointless. There's a vocal minority that doesn't care about anything other than endgame and they'd see this game turned into just that. Then they're gonna be wondering why it's dead in a few years if that happens.

I mean if you've never seen it and you are here since 2011, I guess you haven't opened that many topics . . .

[Makorus]

I've literally never seen people say Mythic should be removed. Yet I see constantly people saying levelling should be removed from the game because it's pointless. There's a vocal minority that doesn't care about anything other than endgame and they'd see this game turned into just that. Then they're gonna be wondering why it's dead in a few years if that happens.

It's not a "vocal minority". There's a reason people love Mysterious Winds or Turbulent Timeways, or the Legion Pre-Patch event, or MoP Remix. Normal leveling is mind-numbingly boring simply because you don't have a kit.

Making mobs scale up so they hit harder and take longer to kill wouldn't make it more fun, it would just make it more tedious.

[Dracullus]

Well, if you don't care about harder leveling, it's okay. Whole point of Heroic tier is for it to be OPTIONAL.

Some of you remind me of people who scream "who wanted that" under every post about housing feature or cosmetic rewards in general. Not everything in this game should be about seasonal hamster wheel.

And no, it's not 1%. Leveling being meaningless is one of most common complains about retail.

[Xilurm]

I mean if you've never seen it and you are here since 2011, I guess you haven't opened that many topics . . .

There's definitely more people complaining about LFR than any Mythic complainers I've seen. Maybe you're right. But I haven't seen any big discussions on it, no one even thinks to take those seriously.

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[Limayria]

Well, if you don't care about harder leveling, it's okay. Whole point of Heroic tier is for it to be OPTIONAL.

Some of you remind me of people who scream "who wanted that" under every post about housing feature or cosmetic rewards in general. Not everything in this game should be about seasonal hamster wheel.

And no, it's not 1%. Leveling being meaningless is one of most common complains about retail.

Once again, why do y'all want to spend a bunch of time spamming one button instead of getting the game play loop of questing with your full kit?

Leveling is boring, questing is fun

[Makorus]

Well, if you don't care about harder leveling, it's okay. Whole point of Heroic tier is for it to be OPTIONAL.

Some of you remind me of people who scream "who wanted that" under every post about housing feature or cosmetic rewards in general. Not everything in this game should be about seasonal hamster wheel.

And no, it's not 1%. Leveling being meaningless is one of most common complains about retail.

How would World Tiers make leveling more meaningful? Unless you expect them to add new mechanics to every single mob, it wouldn't really do anything. The people that complain about leveling now would just dislike it more. I don't like leveling because 1.) I know the story of all the zones already and 2.) you literally just spam one button the entire time because your whole ability kit is non-existant.

If I had to pull one mob at a time because suddenly the mobs have 3x more HP and damage, that wouldn't make it more exciting. I am just going to pull less mobs at a time. That's just more tedious.

[Nymrohd]

One thing I'd do for a Heroic Tier is make it mutually exclusive with War Mode cause you don't want to be able to use actually powerful mobs against others in World PvP. Also I'd like a system similar to PvP talents for Heroic Tier; maybe Heroic Tier talents that can buff up specs that SUCK at solo activities by giving relatively weak abilities to e.g. Ret or Beast Master and very strong abilities for Shadow or Fire.

[Xilurm]

It's not a "vocal minority". There's a reason people love Mysterious Winds or Turbulent Timeways, or the Legion Pre-Patch event, or MoP Remix. Normal leveling is mind-numbingly boring simply because you don't have a kit.

Making mobs scale up so they hit harder and take longer to kill wouldn't make it more fun, it would just make it more tedious.

Don't do it then. That's the point of it being optional. It's like saying Classic is more tedious yet look how many people are playing that. I want the levelling experience of Classic, to be added as an optional thing in Retail.

They went out of their way to add stupid Chromie Time and balance/scale so many things around that, they can do this too.

[Makorus]

Don't do it then. That's the point of it being optional. It's like saying Classic is more tedious yet look how many people are playing that. I want the levelling experience of Classic, to be added as an optional thing in Retail.

They went out of their way to add stupid Chromie Time and balance/scale so many things around that, they can do this too.

Just unequip your gear then? You can already have a hard mode. There's white gear vendors in every hub.

I'd rather not Blizzard wastes time implementing things that are completely redundant.