Midnight 12.X Patches & World Soul Saga Speculation Thread

[Xilurm]

Well yeah but I think that's always been the point?

Again, Xal'atath is the harbinger of the Void. She's meant to be the Gul'dan of this Saga. The one ushering in the big evil army out to destroy us. She's never been described as the ultimate villain.

Yeah that's what I'm saying. So we shouldn't be getting Azshara as well, that's too much.

[blaatschaap]

Not to be sidetracked but I think the main issue with Shadowlands was moreso that people felt like it trampled all over established (and beloved) lore. The Lich King, the Titans, Sylvanas, etc., they were all treated very badly.

They bungled the execution, no doubt. But the concept in itself of domination being a more ancient magic tied to the death realm was compelling, to me at least.

[DenPhoenix]

Not to be sidetracked but I think the main issue with Shadowlands was moreso that people felt like it trampled all over established (and beloved) lore. The Lich King, the Titans, Sylvanas, etc., they were all treated very badly.

+++, The main problem of Shadowlands is the rewriting of the entire lore to fit Danuser’s whims and his mental issues. In fact, he is literally a reflection of Zovaal, who wanted to rewrite reality - "Too long I endured the makers' flawed design". He just wanted to remake Warcraft-Universe according to his own design. ¯⁠\⁠_⁠(⁠ツ⁠)⁠_⁠/⁠¯

[elderu]

Azshara would take away the spotlight from Xal'atath. You can't have both, unless Xal'atath is still going to be the background villain and we won't get to fight her now. I assume we will though, and she will be the final boss of the expansion, since in the next one we deal with Iridikron and the Titans.

Saying that as if Xal isn't stealing the spotlight to begin with. An Elven appearing void-y antagonist was Azshara's thing for a decade, and now Xal'atath (who is not even an elf) is giving everyone void-y elf fatigue on top of Alleria.

Azshara should steal the spotlight. Take it back more like. Metzen said in the 1 on 1 that released just before TWW launch that we shouldn't expect to fight Xal'atath as a one-and-done raid boss, but that she would reappear throughout and play a role in the course of the Saga.

If Xal is the Gul'dan, let Azshara be Illidan at Nighthold.

[milkmustache]

Saying that as if Xal isn't stealing the spotlight to begin with. An Elven appearing void-y antagonist was Azshara's thing for decades, and now Xal'atath (who is not even an elf) is giving everyone void-y elf fatigue on top of Alleria.

Azshara should steal the spotlight. Take it back more like. Metzen said in the 1 on 1 that released just before TWW launch that we shouldn't expect to fight Xal'atath as a one-and-done raid boss, but that she would reappear throughout and play a role in the course of the Saga.

If Xal is the Gul'dan, let Azshara be Illidan at Nighthold.

I don't think this is the right answer, because you're still diminishing Azshara's impact. Stealing the spotlight from Xal'atath doesn't give Azshara the space she deserves as a villain. She's been wholey absent since BFA, Xal'atath we have at least had for several expansions building up to this.

Azshara deserves a proper runway to a final stand against her, and swooping in to eat Xal'atath's breakfast would be a disservice.

[Xilurm]

Saying that as if Xal isn't stealing the spotlight to begin with.

She's not because Azshara isn't present right now. If she was, she'd have to share screentime with Xal'atath. And Blizzard can't do that. Let's not ask for them to give characters less development on purpose.

[Hearthfinder]

Yeah that's what I'm saying. So we shouldn't be getting Azshara as well, that's too much.

But what is she harbinging if there's no one "badder" coming? It'd be like Gul'dan pulling a rope to make a big curtain fall, intending to reveal Sargeras behind it, only nobody's there and all he could do is put on a silly grin.

Xal'atath could transform into something more, I suppose. But as things stand I don't think she's all that menacing.

[twelven]

- new enemy are called the shrouded. void spectres from worlds consumed by the all-devouring
- xal'atath has freed them in exchange for helping her claim azeroth's worldsoul
- they can possess people and control the undead
- faerin encounters the scion some time after she was in stromgarde and she gives the arathi a vision to defend the sunwell along with turalyon, anduin and velen
- turalyon dies saving alleria
- lorthemar and vereesa become enshrouded
- arator gets captured by xal'atath
- they repel xal'atath and empower the sunwell enough to stop the voidstorm for a time
- barrow dens discovered where the first high elf druids are sleeping and night elves help them awaken
- some of them became a new type of treant
- the ebon blade, darkfallen and forsaken are fighting off an endless force of undead amassing in the stratholme
- the death knights want to create a new lich king
- ruins under stratholme of an ancient city
- hostile forest trolls are allied with a new enemy called the ularak
- arathi and lightforge begin to follow a naaru called the last light
- renown for questing with certain characters. they reward you for increasing their reputation
- flying through riftways lets you jump from zone to zone
- races are replaced by tribes - tribes you can select your clan, ancestral power, family name, new class combinations and some tribes can pick their faction
- several elf districts in silvermoon
- there's a lodge in zul'aman and estate in silvermoon connected to your house
- your war camp is there and you can interact with them
- classic and retail collections will be connected soon

[milkmustache]

But what is the harbinging if there's no one badded coming? It'd be like Gul'dan pulling a rope to make a big curtain fall, intending to reveal Sargeras behind it, only nobody's there and all he could do is put on a silly grin.

Xal'atath could transform into something more, I suppose. But as things stand I don't think she's all that menacing.

You're not getting it. She had originally been the Harbinger of Dimensius, who in a way could be considered the "leader" of the Void. The top of the food chain. Xal'atath heralded his coming to K'aresh, but also worked behind the scenes to help the K'areshi in a way to undermine his power because as we know now, she wants to be on top.

11.2 is us unfortunately helping her get on top. She is not harbinging anymore because she has consumed that power. It's not like Gul'dan at all, because Gul'dan didn't kill Sargeras to gain his power.

[Fiercelord]

races are replaced by tribes - tribes you can select

This one took Metzen's words literally.

[elderu]

She's not because Azshara isn't present right now. If she was, she'd have to share screentime with Xal'atath. And Blizzard can't do that. Let's not ask for them to give characters less development on purpose.

Or she could kill Xal'atath like I proposed with the Gul'dan/Illidan comparison. Why share at all.

I don't think this is the right answer, because you're still diminishing Azshara's impact. Stealing the spotlight from Xal'atath doesn't give Azshara the space she deserves as a villain.

Azshara returning as a mere villain diminishes her impact. Trust me I'm not saying Void-y Azshara is what I want. That's a compromise for a Queen Born of the Stars.

It's incredible to me people defend Xal's presence as an antagonist as more worthy of screentime and exposure. Is that how deep in the mud we are with her? That we can't even acknowledge she's hogging space to begin with?

Nobody should even be seen as "stealing Xal's spotlight" is my real point. She's not a real character in this franchise idk what to say. "Knaifu" is all people have to go on.

[Hearthfinder]

You're not getting it. She had originally been the Harbinger of Dimensius, who in a way could be considered the "leader" of the Void. The top of the food chain. Xal'atath heralded his coming to K'aresh, but also worked behind the scenes to help the K'areshi in a way to undermine his power because as we know now, she wants to be on top.

11.2 is us unfortunately helping her get on top. She is not harbinging anymore because she has consumed that power. It's not like Gul'dan at all, because Gul'dan didn't kill Sargeras to gain his power.

Did Gul'dan not seek the Eye of Sargeras to claim its power in a betrayal of Sargeras? It's the same dang story.

When they announced TWW and the Worldsoul Saga, Holly Longdale proudly introduced Xal'atath as "our Harbinger of the Void," and it hasn't been two years since we had the aforementioned prophecy detailing how she was was going to carry out an awakening by doing "harbinger stuff".

[Auburst]

Brethren of the rod almighty, Midnight will focus on the long ears. There's no fucking way we aren't getting our tips wet with Azshara's lore. I expect her origin story and more.

[milkmustache]

Azshara returning as a mere villain diminishes her impact. Trust me I'm not saying Void-y Azshara is what I want. That's a compromise for a Queen Born of the Stars.

It's incredible to me people defend Xal's presence as an antagonist as more worthy of screentime and exposure. Is that how deep in the mud we are with her? That we can't even acknowledge she's hogging space to begin with?

Nobody should even be seen as "stealing Xal's spotlight" is my real point. She's not a real character in this franchise idk what to say. "Knaifu" is all people have to go on.

Because I'd rather see them fully commit to Xal'atath over the three expansions as they had said rather than hit the eject button in the first one. I don't think she's hogging space for anything. I think she's a compelling villain, and I'm excited to see how they continue to develop her. We don't know a lot about her because we have at least 3 more years worth of story with her involved to tell.

Did Gul'dan not seek the Eye of Sargeras to claim its power in a betrayal of Sargeras? It's the same dang story.

When they announced TWW and the Worldsoul Saga, Holly Longdale proudly introduced Xal'atath as "our Harbinger of the Void," and it hasn't been two years since we had the aforementioned prophecy detailing how she was was going to carry out an awakening by doing "harbinger stuff".

Gul'dan tried to claim power and failed. Xal'atath tried to claim power and succeeded. That's how it's different.

It doesn't seem like you're going to understand my point, and I don't really think it's helpful to keep talking in circles.

[Khaza-R]

Stratholme is probably not going to be a part of Midnight at all. The cope around it is wild lol. Now its some eldritch city. Not going to happen

I think it's a neat coincidence of narrative and game design limitations. Farondis and his court died 10 000 years ago, he wouldn't know she'd been warped into a Naga. He doesn't recognise her in that silhoutted sea-witch form when she asks him to swear fealty to her in exchange for freeing from their curse.

True. That's a detail I overlooked. I still don't think she would bother casting an illusion of herself as elf to the blood elves. One, unlike Farondis they aren't the same. Two, blood elves are intently aware she is a naga by now.

[klaussf]

- new enemy are called the shrouded. void spectres from worlds consumed by the all-devouring
- xal'atath has freed them in exchange for helping her claim azeroth's worldsoul
- they can possess people and control the undead
- faerin encounters the scion some time after she was in stromgarde and she gives the arathi a vision to defend the sunwell along with turalyon, anduin and velen
- turalyon dies saving alleria
- lorthemar and vereesa become enshrouded
- arator gets captured by xal'atath
- they repel xal'atath and empower the sunwell enough to stop the voidstorm for a time
- barrow dens discovered where the first high elf druids are sleeping and night elves help them awaken
- some of them became a new type of treant
- the ebon blade, darkfallen and forsaken are fighting off an endless force of undead amassing in the stratholme
- the death knights want to create a new lich king
- ruins under stratholme of an ancient city
- hostile forest trolls are allied with a new enemy called the ularak
- arathi and lightforge begin to follow a naaru called the last light
- renown for questing with certain characters. they reward you for increasing their reputation
- flying through riftways lets you jump from zone to zone
- races are replaced by tribes - tribes you can select your clan, ancestral power, family name, new class combinations and some tribes can pick their faction
- several elf districts in silvermoon
- there's a lodge in zul'aman and estate in silvermoon connected to your house
- your war camp is there and you can interact with them
- classic and retail collections will be connected soon

we can close the thread

[Paula Deen]

- new enemy are called the shrouded. void spectres from worlds consumed by the all-devouring
- xal'atath has freed them in exchange for helping her claim azeroth's worldsoul
- they can possess people and control the undead
- faerin encounters the scion some time after she was in stromgarde and she gives the arathi a vision to defend the sunwell along with turalyon, anduin and velen
- turalyon dies saving alleria
- lorthemar and vereesa become enshrouded
- arator gets captured by xal'atath
- they repel xal'atath and empower the sunwell enough to stop the voidstorm for a time
- barrow dens discovered where the first high elf druids are sleeping and night elves help them awaken
- some of them became a new type of treant
- the ebon blade, darkfallen and forsaken are fighting off an endless force of undead amassing in the stratholme
- the death knights want to create a new lich king
- ruins under stratholme of an ancient city
- hostile forest trolls are allied with a new enemy called the ularak
- arathi and lightforge begin to follow a naaru called the last light
- renown for questing with certain characters. they reward you for increasing their reputation
- flying through riftways lets you jump from zone to zone
- races are replaced by tribes - tribes you can select your clan, ancestral power, family name, new class combinations and some tribes can pick their faction
- several elf districts in silvermoon
- there's a lodge in zul'aman and estate in silvermoon connected to your house
- your war camp is there and you can interact with them
- classic and retail collections will be connected soon

This is left field. This is also very original. Even if it isn't real, good job.

[Merryck]

I think it's time we started arguing about High Elves again.

[Andromedes]

- barrow dens discovered where the first high elf druids are sleeping and night elves help them awaken
- some of them became a new type of treant

Treant elves confirmed?

[Khaza-R]

I think it's time we started arguing about High Elves again.

I have a feeling they are going to make up some type of bs light elf race and high elf community will crash out even further