Midnight 12.X Patches & World Soul Saga Speculation Thread

[Skildar]

This is just classic heteronormativity where the existence of a queer relationship anywhere in the narrative is discordant enough to be of note while multiple heteronormative relationships can exist and they are not even noticed because they are just . . .normal.
Not to mention the actual issue with this depiction; most queer people are highlighted in the story based on their sexual preference. They are not normal characters who are refered to as queer in passing but rather their only involvement in the story is centered on them being in a relationship.

I'm not convinced this is heteronormativity, I wasn't raised in way where I see genders in particular or that a boy should be with a girl. In here it's just that a few of these characters are only defined by this. The centaurs looking to get married are only after getting together, the characters don't exist outside of this. Same goes for the centaur looking to court a dryad.
Miguel works for me because he's main thing is to form you to become a good artisan, then takes advantage of you to give a present to his mate.

At some point when I was questing in Azur span, I was chatting with a friend and near the end of the quest chain I was asking him if he thought like the characters were written to be lesbians and we were wondering if it's just the writing style that makes a lot of characters feel like they want to cuddle their adventure partner or if it's that we've had more than a few questchains about lovers.

If I recall correctly one of the last timed it did this to me was with the sephrak guardian next to Mara, close to the time rifts

[Lolites]

to you if it's not part of the main story it doesn't exist.

it exists, its NOT IN FOCUS, which is what you claimed

please explain to me how is lesbian relationship mentioned by single word in q description of missable side quest (which is not even about the relationshipitself) focus while voice acted cutscene of two hetero in main quest is not, and i will admit you are right...

[Nymrohd]

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[Lolites]

For people who like to do the sidequests it was noticeable.

i love side quests, i have all lormasters, done pretty much all quests ingame even some no longer doable
i have not noticed any focus on gays in most of those quests/lines mentioned...

seems like you "noticed" it (why do i have feeling someone actualy told you about it, rather than noticing yourself, perhaps bcs you couldnt say single gay relationship ingame without googling it) only bcs you want to whine about it, which is just pathetic

[chrisisvacant]

Why couldn't they somehow work some more magic to sort of invert the connection between Azeroth and the Dream? Like if The Dream is just an untouched blueprint of the planet, basically, then the writers could do some wonky shit utilizing the weird timey wimey devices to let the void win and corrupt Azeroth but then cause the dream to essentially replace the crumbling planet as a Hail Mary. It's not really a stretch at all considering what they've already given themselves permission to do. And if Azeroth's world soul was the contained on whatever plane the emerald dream was occupying, if thinking of reality in layers, then they could just box her and then make her the big bad of all time.

[Lolites]

There are literally hundreds of quests in dragonflight and like six that involve gay people. It wasn't even noticeable enough for you to remember where there were.

he just want to whine, i think its pointless to engage with him further at this point, its clear he have nothing but fake outrage...

Who are you trying to fool?

maybe he is in denial about his own sexuality, wouldnt be weird to notice even slightest signs and be "offended" by them if he struggles with it

[Nymrohd]

Why couldn't they somehow work some more magic to sort of invert the connection between Azeroth and the Dream? Like if The Dream is just an untouched blueprint of the planet, basically, then the writers could do some wonky shit utilizing the weird timey wimey devices to let the void win and corrupt Azeroth but then cause the dream to essentially replace the crumbling planet as a Hail Mary. It's not really a stretch at all considering what they've already given themselves permission to do. And if Azeroth's world soul was the contained on whatever plane the emerald dream was occupying, if thinking of reality in layers, then they could just box her and then make her the big bad of all time.

Always thought that was the point of the Dream; it's a back up in case they need to system restore Azeroth. And imo Azeroth being the final villain of Warcraft does make sense. But only if she is the final villain and we are likely far from that.

[Scyth]

I really hope we get a Druids of the Flame mog with more flames on it. An updated version of the set they were using in Cata or something new. The one that was data-mined looks good but needs more flames imo (early days so obviously a lot can change)

There's also no way we don't get a 10.3 imo. Feedback for this xpac so far has been good so I can't see them abandon it after 10.2. Not to mention we need to have a patch centred aroud the Red flight, although obviously they can do the same for them as they did for the Blues.

[Nymrohd]

I really struggle to see a scenario though in which the Druids of the Flame return while not being hostile.

[Skildar]

I really struggle to see a scenario though in which the Druids of the Flame return while not being hostile.

like most of cataclysm stories, I fail to remember what the druid of the flame motivations were.

edit: Just checked to be sure but apparently it's just like the twilight hammer, get power and destroy everything

[Nymrohd]

like most of cataclysm stories, I fail to remember what the druid of the flame motivations were.

edit: Just checked to be sure but apparently it's just like the twilight hammer, get power and destroy everything

Fandral and his daughter in law Leyara were just mad at the world for losing their son/husband. Why they turned to the Old Gods Ragnaros of all people and how they managed to recruit so many people and even a green dragon was never explained.

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Pretty sure they already datamined a Renown faction for them, or something to that degree?

A faction was datamined but that doesn't necessarily mean it is a faction we earn rep with; some things have a faction tag for other reasons. It absolutely could end up a friendly or renown faction but it can be something else entirely.

[Skildar]

So there are ways to see them making a come back that could be interesting. A group of maniacs with no leader, finding again what their place is. It's more forsaken elves than darkiron elves but it could be turned into something worthwhile

They could even bring some new information about Elune that would explain how they gave up on worshipping her

[AOL Instant Messenger]

Pretty sure they already datamined a Renown faction for them, or something to that degree?

A faction was datamined but that doesn't necessarily mean it is a faction we earn rep with; some things have a faction tag for other reasons. It absolutely could end up a friendly or renown faction but it can be something else entirely.

As far as I recall, hidden reputations have been used for disguise quests. I'm personally guessing this has to do with that.

[Nymrohd]

How would that even work. Surely the Dream, if it's still canonically seen as a sort of blueprint for Azeroth, is shaped like ancient Kalimdor and not the landmasses we have today?

I'm all for a revamp, but I consider it a 0% chance that Blizzard just throws out iconic places like Stormwind and Orgrimmar.

At most, I could see the Dream being used as a place where Night Elves or Druids dwell, in a new forested area that might look like a forest from ancient Kalimdor.

I'd never see it happening. I could see it as a threat or something that e.g. Odyn or the Titans attempt. It would save the planet but it would wipe us out. Are we more important than saving the universe by averting a Dark Titan?

[loras]

I really struggle to see a scenario though in which the Druids of the Flame return while not being hostile.

Rogue Dark Irons are attempting to resurrect Ragnaros, this we know.

But now imagine that in the process of resurrection we interupt them, but, unable to prevent Ragnaros' resurrection we instead try to cleanse him of whatever dark delusion kept him loyal to the old gods. Maybe we extract shadowflame from him or something? Maybe we end up with two Ragnarosses, one of which is pure corrupted fire.

So a newly returned Ragnaros sees us, recognises us, but now notices we are not in fact insects (aqir), leaving him confused and truly neutral for the first time we see him.
He retreats, but his servants remain, also confused, we easily capture them.

We piece things together and realise that while he is still fire that will burn anything he is no longer evil, and is no longer stuck in the delusion of fighting against the old gods' armies as he has been when first they bent his fire to their will.

Ragnaros in turn cleanses the druids of the flame of the shadows clouding theit mind, and makes use of them as envoys as a sort of half-hearted apology and explanation while he figures out a position of his own for the first time since his fall to the old gods.


(mind that both of the old god loyal elemental lords have referred to us as insects, meaning that while it may be a bit of a retcon i feel it wouldn't disturb the past much to make it mean that they genuinely saw us as part of the alien aqiri invaders the old gods spawned)

[Nymrohd]

I think Ragnaros wanted to kill us because he is a fire elemental with no Spirit to temper his mood so he is the worst traits of fire. It's just who he is.

[Scyth]

A faction was datamined but that doesn't necessarily mean it is a faction we earn rep with; some things have a faction tag for other reasons. It absolutely could end up a friendly or renown faction but it can be something else entirely.

Could be something similar to the rep we had to do in Cata, might be how the skin is unlocked. Doubt they'd come back and be on our side. More than likely they'll be best friends with the Primalists.

[Raetary]

Speaking of Spirit, i hope 10.2 will start exploring that element.

We know quite a few things about it, we know its effect on the environment, we know it has ties on Anima production, we have a whole class that uses it as their primary source of power (Monks), etc.
But we have yet to actually really explore it, outside of 3rd party mentions.

[Cherry123]

I wonder why the dragonflight book is coming out so late, maybe spoilers for the future?

[Xilurm]

Reading this thread makes me think people REALLY want 10.2 to be the last major patch so they have to wait 12 months for 11.0.

As opposed to 10.3 being the last one and having to wait much less time than that for 11.0.

Guys, why are you so allergic to having fun?