Midnight 12.X Patches & World Soul Saga Speculation Thread

[Lady Atia]

In a way, yea. As someone who leans more towards the roleplay side of things, it's not about looking like an Ethereal as much as it is being one. I like their culture, their lore, etc. If we don't get them ever, I think it's a bummer, but that's okay. I don't really have an interest in just wearing the transmog to look like one, you know? It doesn't work in my brain as the same thing, and that's ok! Happy for the people who enjoy the transmogs that way



I think you could maybe cross off Void Elves solely by the fact that they were half of what people wanted.

But I mean .... especially if you are just roleplaying, it shouldn't matter what your ui says, but rather, you know, what you roleplay as. Roleplay is always just in your head lol. Also, there is a reason addons exist to change your racial tooltip if it means so much to you?

[Xilurm]

But you are talking about lore? Because that's the only aspect it really matters in anyway.

And in terms of lore I am pretty sure every city is neutral at this point. The game just doesn't reflect that.

I consider capital cities the ones that have all the essentials. AH, bank etc. I'm pretty sure everyone else does as well? If you really wanna get technical, on the world map, places like Theramore never had the alliance symbol that the other capitals do. So it was obviously never considered that.

And in terms of lore I am pretty sure every city is neutral at this point.

So humans can freely walk into Orgrimmar and Orcs can freely walk into Stormwind?

[milkmustache]

But I mean .... especially if you are just roleplaying, it shouldn't matter what your ui says, but rather, you know, what you roleplay as. Roleplay is always just in your head lol. Also, there is a reason addons exist to change your racial tooltip if it means so much to you?

Sure, I guess for some. I don't have to play an Ethereal. I want to. If we don't get them, we don't get them. I think they'd be a really fun race to play as. I personally don't want to go out of my way to get as close to them as I can without it being the real thing. It doesn't exactly scratch the itch. And again-- that's okay.

[Ersula]

Possibility 1: Silvermoon is destroyed or otherwise claimed by the Void. Our hub is that wacky Draenei Flying saucer they teased in their heritage questline. Everyone ignore that it took longer to repair the west side of silvermoon than building a flying city. We use phase diving to get around Silvermoom & fight the void within.

Possibility 2: Same as option 1 but our hub is the Sunwell island.

Possibility 3: We temporarily get Silvermoon as a neutral hub for the duration of this expansion because all the faction leaders understand its a crisis scenario but that wouldn't invalidate the existing factions & alliances.

Possibility 4: Separate hubs for each faction. Still temporary.

Personally I'd prefer 3. I think most people would.

[Khaza-R]

I consider capital cities the ones that have all the essentials. AH, bank etc. I'm pretty sure everyone else does as well? If you really wanna get technical, on the world map, places like Theramore never had the alliance symbol that the other capitals do. So it was obviously never considered that.



So humans can freely walk into Orgrimmar and Orcs can freely walk into Stormwind?

To your first point I think I might of misunderstood, so I apologize. I don't disagree with you there.

For your second point, yes. I think the current lore is that orc can freely walk through Stormwind. The factions are not at war anymore. The only reason to restrict people from travel would be racism and there's no way that's something the modern devs are exploring.

[Raetary]

47 hours until reveal.

[Romanz]

Seen some debate (and quite frankly some whining) about Silvermoon going neutral, yes we are obviously getting a neutral Silvermoon. They won't pull the draenei city up, I can't see them sticking the Alliance down in Gilneas yet

[Ersula]

In a way, yea. As someone who leans more towards the roleplay side of things, it's not about looking like an Ethereal as much as it is being one. I like their culture, their lore, etc. If we don't get them ever, I think it's a bummer, but that's okay. I don't really have an interest in just wearing the transmog to look like one, you know? It doesn't work in my brain as the same thing, and that's ok! Happy for the people who enjoy the transmogs that way

I think you could maybe cross off Void Elves solely by the fact that they were half of what people wanted.

Wasn't the whole reason they added the ear options to Stormwind Humans & Kul Tiran humans so people could RP as Arathi?

I don't think the Devs see a difference, in the same way they made Darkfallen indistinquishable from Blood Elves?

[Xilurm]

In Lore, Dalaran was an Alliance city.

And in Lore again, Theramore was the main Alliance capital in Kalimdor.

Ok this is going to be my last post on this topic because it's getting a bit silly.

I don't think it was a lore "balance" issue that Blizzard decided to shut off Undercity when they destroyed Teldrassil. I think it was because Horde players would've had more cities to go to, and Alliance players would complain (you only need to check the forums to see what people love complaining about).

So, it was a gameplay decision. They didn't do it for the lore. Blizzard is never going to sacrifice gameplay for the lore, they don't do that, that's not how they develop WoW.

Gameplay wise, Theramore was not a capital city. You did some quests there and then you couldn't do anything else. The only thing you could do after that is stare at the 5 buildings that were there, which isn't much in terms of usefulness when it comes to having an AH, a bank and tons of vendors and trainers.

[Cheezits]

The Nightborne Space Bull is the key to all this.

[Khaza-R]

The Nightborne Space Bull is the key to all this.

Zodiac mounts?

I mean Midnight logo does heavily feature stars.

[The-Shan]

Possibility 1: Silvermoon is destroyed or otherwise claimed by the Void. Our hub is that wacky Draenei Flying saucer they teased in their heritage questline. Everyone ignore that it took longer to repair the west side of silvermoon than building a flying city. We use phase diving to get around Silvermoom & fight the void within.

Possibility 2: Same as option 1 but our hub is the Sunwell island.

Possibility 3: We temporarily get Silvermoon as a neutral hub for the duration of this expansion because all the faction leaders understand its a crisis scenario but that wouldn't invalidate the existing factions & alliances.

Possibility 4: Separate hubs for each faction. Still temporary.

Personally I'd prefer 3. I think most people would.

I think its more likely that this elven reunification will see the Alliance High/Void Elves return to Silvermoon, and Silvermoon becomes inhabitable by both factions (As it already is in the short stories, where Turalyon visits Liadrin rather casually)

I think Silvermoon should be inhabitable by Alliance races, but probably still stay committed to the Horde in war-time. In real life when say, Britain enters world war 2, they don't immediately kill all germans in London or exile them, but they limits and monitor anyone who could be linked to the German military.

Silvermoon can still allow Alliance members to enter the city AND be a Horde city...

I think we as a community need to grow passed the concept of Not ethnically barring entry = neutral, tbh

[milkmustache]

Wasn't the whole reason they added the ear options to Stormwind Humans & Kul Tiran humans so people could RP as Arathi?

I don't think the Devs see a difference, in the same way they made Darkfallen indistinquishable from Blood Elves?

Well, you're certainly right about that (in reference to High Elves). If you're bringing that up in reference to Ethereals as a race vs as a transmog, then I think it's a slightly different situation.

The Nightborne Space Bull is the key to all this.

The Nightborne Space Bull actually trips me the fuck out. My jaw dropped reading that the first time, I genuinely have no idea what the hell it could be. Maybe a less centaurish version of the constructs? But then again... space?? I know it's a placeholder name but it is insane. I love it.

[Hearthfinder]

It'd be a fun twist if they revamped the entirety of northern Eastern Kingdoms.

Lightbound Undead cosmetic option with Paladins unlocked.

Forest Trolls.

Void Elves and Blood Elves can be High Elves.

Worgen can stand upright and Gilneas has been rebuilt.

Dalaran being rebuilt by a passionate group within the Kirin Tor. Side eyed by some of their peers.

Wildhammer in a re-imagined Northeron.

Ogres have settled nearby Hillsbrad.

While the story begins in the north as Quel'Thalas is invaded by the Shadow, it culminates in the south where the Arathi have arrived to conquer their ancestral homelands.

[Raetary]

The Nightborne Space Bull is the key to all this.

Ok, did i miss something again?

What the fuck is a Nightborne Space Bull?
And can i put it on the Hypetrain?

[Wangming]

Everyone ignore that it took longer to repair the west side of silvermoon than building a flying city. We use phase diving to get around Silvermoom & fight the void within.

I mean, there is a pretty big technological gap between the two races. Draenei mastered space travel way before Blood Elves have evolved.
And the Quel'Dorei wasted their first few years on trying to decide if Hybrid Theory or Meteora is the best.

[Ersula]

Silvermoon can still allow Alliance members to enter the city AND be a Horde city...

I think we as a community need to grow passed the concept of Not ethnically barring entry = neutral, tbh

Which would be accomplished by the Midnight version of the zone being neutral but also making it clear its a horde city after the events of midnight. Every zone in the game is trapped in a very specific moment in time. They're never again going to do what they did in Cataclsym & outright removing any versions of a zone. Getting to teldrassil is a little wonky at max level, but its not impossible.

Zodiac mounts?

I mean Midnight logo does heavily feature stars.

Why is it referred to as a "Nightborne" space bull? Do we finally get some Nightborne Elune representation & get some new Wild Gods?

[Cheezits]

Ok, did i miss something again?

What the fuck is a Nightborne Space Bull?
And can i put it on the Hypetrain?

It's the name of an encrypted mount that may or may not be the next 12-month sub reward. Based on its size it may actually be a bull.

Yeah, that name is wild.

[kavikor]

It's the name of an encrypted mount that may or may not be the next 12-month sub reward. Based on its size it may actually be a bull.

Yeah, that name is wild.

Did you guys find my TRP profile?

[Wangming]

The Nightborne Space Bull is the key to all this.

The what now?

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Based on its size it may actually be a bull.

And does it shit?