Midnight 12.X Patches & World Soul Saga Speculation Thread

[Raetary]

I know the adventure guide insinuates this.... but you have to be dead to be dominated. I guess the writers were checked out at that point.

You don't.

Anduin got dominated.
We get dominated in his fight, and the whole plot line about turning the Helm of Domination into a Happy Meal toy was so that don't immediately get dominated when we followed him deeper into the Sepulcher.

His endgoal was dominating the universe, most of which is alive.

[Khaza-R]

Reminder that Order Magic possesses a holy glow as well. It's likely just a holy-like Order being.

Unlikely since her whole deal is to rehabilitate broken worlds rather than re-order them. She clearly goes against any type of titan directive.

[Auburst]

I'm going to sleep now. By the time I wake up, I hope you'll produce a cornucopia of leaks, including the real ones with attached screenshots. I want to poke eyes with my excitement.

[Nymrohd]

Unlikely since her whole deal is to rehabilitate broken worlds rather than re-order them. She clearly goes against any type of titan directive.

Also, she is in Hearthstone so who cares?

[Joshuaj]

Unlikely since her whole deal is to rehabilitate broken worlds rather than re-order them. She clearly goes against any type of titan directive.

Just means she can restore broken worlds so they fit the Titans will lol.

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Also, she is in Hearthstone so who cares?

This too. But hey, it doesn't hurt to chat about this stuff.

[Khaza-R]

This leak season really isn't any weaker than a past one.

The difference is mainly psychological. There's a strong confirmation bias here where we've already made up our minds on what Midnight will look like. Thus rather than entertaining random leaks we are quick to dismiss pretty much all of them.

Even if Midnight was legitimately leaked outside of verifiable images, I am pretty sure most people would dismiss it at this point.

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Also, she is in Hearthstone so who cares?

Plenty of people think its plausible for Amitus to pop up in TLT so what's the difference?

[elderu]

Also, she is in Hearthstone so who cares?

Tortollan famously made their debut in Hearthstone first. Hearthstone is often out-of-bounds of WoW canon, but based on the patterns and conditions that are most often rooted from canon.

So working backwards from Hearthstone isn't always the worst way to infer. It just needs to be done tastefully with awareness of the wacky offchance and not as evidence.

[Xeladriel]

Also, she is in Hearthstone so who cares?

hearthstone revealed the canon design of nzoth and y'shaarj, the tortollian, the zandalari pally, the leage of explorers that right know are in the game (reno jackson, elise starseeker and sir finley mrgllton, they not exist prior to legion), and more things

[Eldryth]

About all that Astromancy talk- I mostly think of it as a Nightborne thing, but Blood Elves actually did have it first. Well, the Sunfury did, but it'd fit well into a Quel'thalas expansion all the same.

Tortollan famously made their debut in Hearthstone first. Hearthstone is often out-of-bounds of WoW canon, but based on the patterns and conditions that are most often rooted from canon.

And they were completely rewritten from the comedically stupid tribes in Un'goro that Hearthstone had, into the actual canon Tortollans we got in BFA.

WoW does occasionally use stuff from Hearthstone when the actual writers decide it can actually work, but that's very much the exception. And the stuff they do use is usually very different from the Hearthstone story (see also the fact that Reno being a dragon is never acknowledged in canon). Hearthstone content should be considered non-canon until proven otherwise.

[Nymrohd]

I think the devs will take ideas from Hearthstone for world building and then alter them significantly to fit canon. I don't really think it extends much further than that though. Like, I find the idea of Amitus being used quite unlikely.

[Limayria]

About all that Astromancy talk- I mostly think of it as a Nightborne thing, but Blood Elves actually did have it first. Well, the Sunfury did, but it'd fit well into a Quel'thalas expansion all the same.



And they were completely rewritten from the comedically stupid tribes in Un'goro that Hearthstone had, into the actual canon Tortollans we got in BFA.

WoW does occasionally use stuff from Hearthstone when the actual writers decide it can actually work, but that's very much the exception. And the stuff they do use is usually very different from the Hearthstone story (see also the fact that Reno being a dragon is never acknowledged in canon). Hearthstone content should be considered non-canon until proven otherwise.

Still holding onto my blind cope of sunfury remenats showing up

God the sunfury were so fucking cool

[whoisqnx]

I think the devs will take ideas from Hearthstone for world building and then alter them significantly to fit canon. I don't really think it extends much further than that though. Like, I find the idea of Amitus being used quite unlikely.

Maybe Azeroth will look like Amitus once she is born

[Wyrt]

If Hearthstone is canon where are the draenei demon hunters and the draenei star fighters?

[Magistrate]

Stars are an interesting part of the lore. They are an intersection of Void, Light and Order really. Perhaps representing the genesis, preservation and destruction of their life cycle.

Don't have anything to add but this is really cool to think about.

[Nymrohd]

About all that Astromancy talk- I mostly think of it as a Nightborne thing, but Blood Elves actually did have it first. Well, the Sunfury did, but it'd fit well into a Quel'thalas expansion all the same.

So this is a crazy idea, not speculation, definitely not pretending it is a leak, just an idea. I think it would be cool to have cross class Hero Talents. So you could have an Astromancer that is a Hero Talent for Arcane Mages, Balance Druids and Warlocks (not sure what the best spec would be). It could be a way to introduce archetypes that fit multiple classes this way. And perhaps some existing Hero Talents could go cross class; e.g. Dark Ranger becoming available to Subtlety Rogues or San'layn to Affliction Warlocks. I think they shot themselves in the foot by forcing their Hero Talent concepts into very strict patterns.

[Eldryth]

Still holding onto my blind cope of sunfury remenats showing up

God the sunfury were so fucking cool

It'd be great if the Scryers, at the very least, get involved. They were reformed Sunfury even back in TBC.

Shattrath has been teased recently, and the Draenei also have a lot of story setup from their heritage questline, so I'm hoping to see all those BC factions come back for Midnight.

[Nymrohd]

If Hearthstone is canon where are the draenei demon hunters and the draenei star fighters?

Forget Draenei Demon Hunters, I'd want playable sporeling demon hunters

[Xeladriel]

If Hearthstone is canon where are the draenei demon hunters and the draenei star fighters?

in the last titan, its my guess

[Wyrt]

It'd be great if the Scryers, at the very least, get involved. They were reformed Sunfury even back in TBC.

Shattrath has been teased recently, and the Draenei also have a lot of story setup from their heritage questline, so I'm hoping to see all those BC factions come back for Midnight.

If the Shattered Sun Offensive isn't involved in defending the Sunwell then I don't even know what Blizzard's doing anymore.

[Khaza-R]

Hearthstone isn't canon obviously but it does give us insight at times into the larger design intentions in WoW due to its creative freedom.

A good example is with the Shadowlands actually. In WoW we see this horrifying gameplay limitation where people are forced into a new form based on a robot sorting them through a filter.

In Hearthstone its rather elaborated that individuals keep their form.