Midnight 12.X Patches & World Soul Saga Speculation Thread

[Alanar]

See, people say that about Nyalotha, but that's factually not true? We knew literally nothing about Nyalotha. All of that happened in BfA, at which point they had already decided for it to be a zone.
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You are missing the point tho. It is true, like I said "people speculated in expansion ideas" way before bfa. Just as now people do with Avalorn or what have you. Same thing.

[Nebron]

Holy molly, I can't believe it's just over a day for reveal at this point I think it's preferable to have no leaks at all and be genuinely surprised.

It seems like many people believe Midnight has a great potential, on par with Legion or even greater. Regardless, if you guys had to wish for a single, game-changing feature like M+ / WQ system - apart from housing obviously - what would it be?

For me personally, Diablo-esque World Tiers for outdoor content difficulty fit that category very nicely and feels like something that could provide for that "evergreen feature philosophy". That could work long-term and has nice potential to be upgraded it in future. Being able to somehow adjust the difficulty level of the game sounds like something that perhaps solves the problem between - game too easy vs. game to hard. You're casual? Go for level 1. You're extreme hardcore player? Go for the max level of difficulty.

[Makorus]

You are missing the point. It is true, like I said "people speculated in expansion ideas" this was before bfa.

Which is my whole point: People speculate on stuff not because there is sufficient proof or anything going in that direction, or because it would be interesting, but because they think it's cool. You can't say that Nyalotha was built up to be an expansion when it just wasn't.

[Xilurm]

Please, like I can not get the Epic edition. I've gotten it or its equivalent each time since BfA at least. I'm a little sad there's no hearthstone this time cause they're usually my favorite thing.

I always wait until there's a sale before I get those. I got the base edition at the start then the epic edition for just 20 euros 2 months ago.

[Alanar]

Which is my whole point: People speculate on stuff not because there is sufficient proof or anything going in that direction, or because it would be interesting, but because they think it's cool. You can't say that Nyalotha was built up to be an expansion when it just wasn't.

Idk if you were around at the time, doesnt seem like it, but this is the same thing. Wether its N alotha, Undermine, Nazjatar or any other. People speculated the same way people do now. You are missing the point, if you start to pinpoint nonsense here.

The point is, that we have seen "expansion ideas" turn into patches or other before. Avalorne is no different here and can therefor absolutely happen in a patch or patches. Building it up or what ever. I am not saying it will, but its just something to keep it mind and not just say IT wont happen because you say so.

[Nightshade711]

Because you don't just have light-worshipping humans, which is why this is different to Nyalotha/K'aresh.

You could’ve said this for Ny’alotha or K’aresh too tbh. Same with Argus.

All the factions you mentioned could still be present in a patch zone with how large patch zones are now.
Look at all the Undermine sub-factions, for example.

[Makorus]

Idk if you were around at the time, doesnt seem like it, but this is the same thing. Wether its N alotha, Undermine, Nazjatar or any other. People speculated the same way people do now. You are missing the point, if you start to pinpoint nonsense here.

The point is, that we have seen "expansion ideas" turn into patches or other. Avalorne can therefor absolutely happen in a patch or patches. Building it up or what ever. I am not saying it will, but its just something to keep it mind and not just say IT wont happen because you say so.

You are dismissing the fact that they introduced 6 different concepts for west of the Storming Seas, while they introduced no concepts for Nyalotha at all except for "Old Gods are there".

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You could’ve said this for Ny’alotha or K’aresh too tbh. Same with Argus.

All the factions you mentioned could still be present in a patch zone with how large patch zones are now.
Look at all the Undermine sub-factions, for example.

Except you can't: Name like 5 things about Nyalotha or Karesh, especially things that have been named in the lore. Hard Mode: No "Old Gods are back".

What does Undermine have? Goblins?

[Mecheon]

I mean - I don't see Avaloren being any better.
You look at it and all you have is a group of light-worshipping humans on an island. I don't see how that could be split into 4 DF-sized zones tbh.

I mean, we don't know the extent of Avaloren, its an empty canvas

That's easy to get four zones out of. End game big city ala Suramar for the Arathi themselves, then just pick your 4 favourite biomes for the surrounding zones, though probably a bit of an Arthurian vibe to it per the name of the place. What little we know of it allows for some easy stuff in unknown Titan stuff and sky pirates right off the bat, just have some further stuff going on from those little seeds and a sympathetic Horde-aligned race of, I dunno, forest vulpera for the Horde to chill with and give a bit further of an old European myth vibe to the area.

[Wyrt]

An entire expansion about Light worshiping humans sounds about as exciting as watching paint dry or eating a mayo and lettuce sandwich.

[D45]

You cant make expansion out of something that you just made up because no one will care even more so if its the most generic and boring human/elf fantasy setting ever.

[Alanar]

You are dismissing the fact that they introduced 6 different concepts for west of the Storming Seas, while they introduced no concepts for Nyalotha at all except for "Old Gods are there".

No I am not doing anything, you are simply derailing.

None of this matters if you would have read what I just told you. You are really missing the point.

[Xilurm]

Wouldn't it be crazy if Avaloren was to be a patch zone, if it would be in like, 14.0, in an expansion that's a southern EK revamp, and the zone appears like 5 miles off the coast of Swamp of Sorrows or something.

[Nightshade711]

Except you can't: Name like 5 things about Nyalotha or Karesh, especially things that have been named in the lore. Hard Mode: No "Old Gods are back".

What does Undermine have? Goblins?

You missed the point.
If several factions can exist in a single patch zone, same can happen with Avaloren. Pirates and a single green dragon don’t seem worthy of even a full zone together.

The heretics could’ve wiped themselves out (as it alludes to in the book). That just really leaves the Arathi. None of that screams “this is an expansion continent” on its own.

Besides, we know where Midnight & TLT are going to take place. (Quel’thalas and Northrend) so it’d have to be after TLT.
Do you really think Blizzard is setting up an expansion 4-5 expansions in advance (at a minimum)?

[ImTheMizAwesome]

An entire expansion about Light worshiping humans sounds about as exciting as watching paint dry or eating a mayo and lettuce sandwich.

Yeah, i just can dress up and go to church on sunday.

[Alanar]

I mean, we don't know the extent of Avaloren, its an empty canvas
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Right and with that anything could happen. You just made up your own whole idea about it, but it could be in a completely different form and not be that. I just dont see hoe Avalorn is any different either.

Avalorn could as well be part of the TlT story and show up as its being forshadowed. It would fit right in with the titan story. I wouldnt hold on to the idea "its going to be a full blown expansion continent" just, because. I sm thinking small, because we have seen the same thing happen before.

[Enrif]

An entire expansion about Light worshiping humans tribal orcs sounds about as exciting as watching paint dry or eating a mayo and lettuce sandwich.

yeah... where have i read that before...

[Makorus]

You missed the point.
If several factions can exist in a single patch zone, same can happen with Avaloren. Pirates and a single green dragon don’t seem worthy of even a full zone together.

The heretics could’ve wiped themselves out (as it alludes to in the book). That just really leaves the Arathi. None of that screams “this is an expansion continent” on its own.

Besides, we know where Midnight & TLT are going to take place. (Quel’thalas and Northrend) Do you really think Blizzard is setting up an expansion 4-5 expansions in advance (at a minimum)?

I mean, originally, it wouldn't have been 4-5 expansions in advance, it would have been 2 expansion in advance, because the Uldaman books both had Avaloren and Khaz Algar, so Avaloren probably would have followed Proto-TWW.

It's just baffling to me to dismiss 6 references to the same place in the last two expansion as "oh it will just be a patch zone".

Like when the fuck has that ever happened before? Khaz Algar had one reference and it became a whole continent.

People are so obsessed with wanting Blizzard to waste stuff with potential on single-patch storylines and I will never understand why.

[Xilurm]

It was always right here guys, we promise.

[Nightshade711]

Right and with that anything could happen. You just made up your own whole idea about it, but it could be in a completely different form and not be that. I just dont see hoe Avalorn is any different either.

Avalorn could as well be part of the TlT story and show up as it’s being forshadowed. It would fit right in with the titan story. I wouldnt hold on to the idea "it’s going to be a full blown expansion continent" just, because. I sm thinking small, because we have seen the same thing happen before.

IF Avaloren is actually home of the Arathi I think we’d go there in Midnight to recruit them for the fight against the void given their prophecy on Renilash talking about the final battle between the void & light.

[Santandame]

You missed the point.
If several factions can exist in a single patch zone, same can happen with Avaloren. Pirates and a single green dragon don’t seem worthy of even a full zone together.

The heretics could’ve wiped themselves out (as it alludes to in the book). That just really leaves the Arathi. None of that screams “this is an expansion continent” on its own.

Besides, we know where Midnight & TLT are going to take place. (Quel’thalas and Northrend) so it’d have to be after TLT.
Do you really think Blizzard is setting up an expansion 4-5 expansions in advance (at a minimum)?

All we knew of Northrend was the Scourge.

All we knew of Pandaria were the Pandaren.

All we knew of the Broken Isles was the Broken Shore with Naga and Demons.

All we knew of Kul Tiras were the Proudmoores.

All we knew of Zandalar is that it was sinking and the Zandalari wanted to leave.

All we knew of Khaz Algar was that it had Earthen.

If Blizzard want Avaloren to be an expansion continent, they’ll expand upon it and write stories for it aside from just the Arathi.